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Horrible defending from Kelly. Allowing the attacker to move inside is a cardinal sin (although could he have had his body facing the wrong direction because he usually plays RB?). After that Kilbane and McGeady cost us the goal. Kilbane shouldn't have gone to ground and McGeady should have been paying attention and moved inside like he was supposed to.Quote:
Originally Posted by antrimgreen
Can't agree with most of that. Stupid judging players on who they play for and not how good they actually are. Ever hear of loyalty or the clubs not wanting to sell their best players. We have the spine of a team that is made up of quality players- Given, Finnan, Dunne, Reid, Keane.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
Very good point about Kelly being played out of position, blame for first goal = Stan for not playing KK left back. Mind you at that level you should be able to turn any direction and kick with both feet.
can i have some of what your smokin?
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Originally Posted by tricky_colour
I don't know about that Dman, there was plenty of cover inside. its 6 of one half a dozen of the other. by showing him inside the numbers Should have been able to cope and infact they were untill he passed the ball to Janokauski (sp?)Quote:
Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge
correct on McGeady, he did nothing to help defending the goal, he should have ran with Janokauski (sp?) to put pressure on him once he passed the ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge
McGeady is nowhere near the level required for international football.
I can't remember exactly what happened last night but defenders should always be looking to move the attackers away from the goal and force them into the smaller space, giving up a corner at worst.Quote:
Originally Posted by galwayhoop
Gutless ref, doubt he would have given that red if it wasn't a home game.
He also didn't book the Czech earlier when he dived for a penalty, its either a penalty or a booking for a dive, it can't be neither.
Anyway the Czechs won't go far, I'd be surprised if they got to the quarters
I can remember clearly and found myself screaming at Kelly to make a tackle he had the oppurtunity to send ball out of play (timing) and in doing so made Baros feel like he was going to get nothing for free....
iirc:Quote:
Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge
Czech attacker was on edge of the box (rhs), Kelly showed him inside (not the major mistake), ran 2/3 steps parrallell to goal, passed the ball accross the box (and back a few yards), attacking midfielder stepped over the ball and Janokauski (sp?) came onto it, turned inside (kilbane turned his back expecting a shot and was out of the game), then he played a one-two with front man, brought ball onto his left foot (taking Dunne out of the equation) and shot into net past Given.
the above is from memory but i think its close enough. IMO Kelly is far from the major ciulprit in the goal. and in fairness i wouldn't really hammer any of the Irish players individually for the goal as it was decent Czech play, no-one covered themselves in glory defendsively but no-one jumped out as the villian either.
possibly but what if he lunged at Baros and Baros skipped around him (very likely) and was clear in on goal? then he is lambasted for diving in!Quote:
Originally Posted by antrimgreen
I know when I played football we were always told to stay on your feet and hold up the attacker and not to dive in! allow your cover to get into position. you must remember it was a very quick break by the Czechs after Reid's (poor) free kick.
i thought we actually got back in decent numbers after the initial break although we did stand off Janokauski - however he only got the ball after a step over which seemed to give him the extra yard he needed. and it is extremely hard to track a run like his from deep.
again iirc we were penalised for a foul from the Reid free kick and the Czechs took a quick free with none of our players standing over the ball to prevent it being taken quickly. this in a match, if ye remember, where the ref pointed to his whistle every time prior to a free indicating it was only to be take on his whistle. again nothing major in the normal course of events but if we are analysing the goal ad nausim then there is fault here too.
My 2 cents
Cant be too disapponted,as the majority of people werent expecting too much following the team selection/display on Saturday and team selection for Wed -was anybody really expecting a win or draw. the really depressing things are the things that are most annoying us are
1. another major championship passes us by this time with 3 games to go, the fact that we lost to Cyrus 5-2 and until Sat still had a realistic chance to qualify sums up the qulaity in that particular group.
2. International football has seen a great levelling off IMO due to the influence of the big clubs. Smaller nations have a much better chance than years ago as long as they are not beat before they go on the pitch (esp against England and Brasil). While we dont exect to qualify for every tournament 1 out of 2 or 2/3 out of 5 isnt unrealistic. Yet we are being slated for being over ambitious ?
3. Current manager's inability to see/admit* what was/is blatently obvious as regards performances/what is acceptable eg we were bloody awful for 35mins before an injury gave us a lifeline
* how we laughed when Keegan left England but at least he held his hands up and admitted he wasnt up to the job
4. Team Improving ? - still up for discussion, it has certainly gone backwards in the last few games especially Saturday.
5 New manager - only if somebody better is actually available
So only a bit disapponinted as after Saturday my expectations plummeted , but bloody depressed
It was harsh but the intent was there and if you give continental ref's the opportunity, they'll send you off. He's an idiot, but what matter? Hopefully he'll learn.
Agree 100% baros an absolute ***** of a man too. richard Dunne and McShane made me proud to be irish last night, the passion they show in every game, top classQuote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
If that was a red, every game should finish 8-a-side.
No, it was a stupid tackle, even if it wasn't quite a red its hard to argue the case.
Quite simply Hunt made it easy for the ref to send him off and can only blame himself. If you're going into a tackle like that at ANY TIME you leave yourself open to a red card.
If you go into a tackle like that in a match where the home fans are on your back cause you near ended the career of there goalkeeper and their players are desperate to get one up on you then you're an idiot... and that's exactly what Hunt is.
I do know the basic rules on defending galwayhoop and yes Baros may have side stepped as he is very nippy, but IMO at the time i thought there was a split second when the tackle could have been made. And you are right if we had scored a similar goal we would be saying what great attacking play, scoring team think it was a great move defending team analysis the poor defensive play.
Done and dusted now, Kelly if starting should have been at RB. I now can't wait til Euro 08 is over so we are back to trying to qualify hopefully without Stan.
absolutely agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by antrimgreen
unfortunately i can't see this happening :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by antrimgreen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=751xtd6Edm4
Check this one out lads. You thought Hunts red card was bad this is worse.(just)
The funny thing is that the ref didnt even see it, go back and look at the video:
Ball is there to be won.
Both players go in.
Hunt wins it and ball comes out.
Ref follows direction of the ball.
Hunt's momentum causes him to follow through.
Czech player yelps out.
Ref looks back.
Play is stopped.
Czech players chase the ref.
Hunt is red carded.
You could add after "follow through" that he actually withdrew his trailing leg.
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Originally Posted by McGeady10
i was wondering wheter to take your post seriously...looked at your username and that made up my mind...id rather have that "idiot" representing my country than the big waste of space in your username, who was so out of his depth in both games that it was scary.
The only one I'd question taking seriously is you. McGeady10 makes a good point about Hunts tackle but you, like many in here will spout your anti Celtic bias as a retort.Quote:
Originally Posted by biscuit
Peter Cech's analysis was correct I think. It wouldn't even be a foul in England but in Europe that type of takle isn't tolerated. Hunt should have known this just from watching World Cups on telly. It was a stupid tackle but the punishment didn't fit the crime, even by European "non contact" standards. A yellow would have told him not to do it again.
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Originally Posted by Torn-Ado
anti celtic bias...did i touch a nerve...i regularily travel over to celtic games, and would call myself a fan. But i believe that while mcgeady is good enough for the SPL and the odd CL game where he lifts his performance a little, iv've seen nothing in him playing for ireland that suggests hes good enough at this level, so take your smart arse retorts out the door with you on your way out. this has nothing to do with celtic, its about hunts sending off against the czechs and the performance in general...maybe go to world football, and attack posters there.
Not true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Morbo
Then why did you bring McGeady into the equation and attack the post from McGeady10. Hunts challenge was stupid, he was always open to a red card when the studs are showing and he can be prone to hothead behaviour like he is at Reading. He was far too rash. Like the man points out in his post.Quote:
Originally Posted by biscuit
There was no need to jump on his back for having a players name (albeit an underperforming one) as his username. McGeady deserves his criticism but this is a thread about Hunt.
fair enough, but why slate him as an idiot....he went into a challenge a LITTLE too hard....no way was it a red, i was merely pointing out that the poster obviously admired mcgeady, yet called a better player (imo) and idiot. and nothing to do with celtic...:ball: so il leave it there ;)
Really, I thought Fifa had made diving an automatic yellow card offenseQuote:
Originally Posted by John83
I think so, but it's not necessarily the case that the ref must assume that either there was a foul or a dive. It's possible to be tackled cleanly and lose your balance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Morbo
Fair enough. However I tend to agree with McGeady10's post. He gets it fairly spot on when he says that Hunt will always leave himself open to a red card with a challenge like that. I'm willing to put it down to passion and desire but it was extremely reckless and will always be controversial.Quote:
Originally Posted by biscuit
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I thought it warranted a yellow. Perhaps a yellow and a "what are you at you gimp? If you fart funny from now on you're off" clip round the ear from the ref.
The verdict was compounded by seeing the complete lack of reaction to the tackle from the Czech bench, which was directly in front of Hunt and his dying swan target.
Seeing as they stood entirely motionless throughout the incident (until the card was brandished) They obviously didnt feel it was a serious enough challenge to warrant running towards the ref, jumping up and down, and brandishing imaginary colourdy cards in the air like demented latin bingo callers, and if anyone was gonna be first to jump at a half-chance of an advantage, it woulda been them...
doesn't matter we're ****** anyway
Do you actually believe this stuff you type.Quote:
Originally Posted by biscuit
Aiden McGeady out of his depth against the likes of Slovakia and Czech Republic in front of about 20,000 fans in eastern europe?
This guy has played - and played well - in huge Champoins League matches against the likes of AC Milan in the San Siro??
Only last month he was Celtic's best out field player in a Champions League qualifier against Spartak Moscow - a level the likes of Hunt and practically every other member of the Irish XI in both matches bar Keane and Given will ever play at on a regular basis.
Yeah McGeady had two bad games but lets remember he's playing in a hopeless team with no shape and he's been played out of position.
On another note the Donegal maestro had another MOTM performance today!
Finnan played today and played well, what a surprise, the lad sure heels quickly
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Originally Posted by Morbo
I have no doubt whatsoever about his reason for not playing. I'm sure the medical staff at both Ireland and Liverpool will be able to confirm that.
He is apparently very proud of his Irish Nationality so I find it rather unlikely that he would miss an important game if it was at all possible to play. Which is refreshing to see, these days.
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if his name was Roy Keane we'd have had a separate thread on his recovery!!!
Actually according to the papers today he looked very rusty throughout the game and didnt look fully fit. Maybe he is finally getting ****ed off of being contiously played out of position for Ireland when he is our only player to continously play well in the Chapions League
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Originally Posted by McGeady10
No McGeady didnt have two bad games. He had two absolutly woeful games and proved he can not hack the physicality of the international game. His performance against th Czechs was one of the worst i have seen in an Irish jersey in some 10 years. I didnt think he could top Slovakia for a dreadful performance but by god he did. You cant blame the fact that he was playing in a 'hapless team with no shape'. he saw plenty of the ball and every time he ran with his head down, into a blind alley and was then simply brused off the ball. He lost possesion so many times in Prague it was shocking. Yes Aidan did look completly out of his depth and at times looked like a child playing in a mans game