Moyes also has a good track record of making good players into better ones, see yobo, hibbert, arteta cahill etc etc
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Moyes also has a good track record of making good players into better ones, see yobo, hibbert, arteta cahill etc etc
Hunt would be mad to go to Sunderland. He's only coming into his own at this stage in an enviornment he's comfortable in and under a manager who's had him at 3 different clubs and is obviously a huge influence. Being dragged into a relegation battle under a manager who's obviously struggling and is still relatively inexperienced would not be a good career move. He's a late bloomer and another year's development at Reading would be ideal before looking to move on.
Everton may be a decent option with Moyes track record of improving players as alreaady mentioned (you could include Carsley in that list) and the feel good factor that seems to be there at present.
I said this time last year that Hunt was a poor man's Ray Houghton in his style of play and meant it as a compliment. He's actually come on in leaps and bounds since then and like Houghton (who was another late bloomer) a move to Merseyside at some stage could be the making of him....
He's come a long way in 2 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Devils advocate ;
If Reading WERE to take the Quinn's shilling and let Hunt move to Wearside, what would his future hold were he sign up, maintain his current level of performance, and go on to shine like an Arclight in a mediocre midfield that Kavanagh et al can't hack and Yorke, clever as he is, arguably cannot keep pace with for 60, never mind 90, minutes?
Assuming his agent managed to insert a relegation escape clause or similar compensatory package, he'd be on a decent contract in a club in the Public eye, with a healthy salary and, going on current form, MOTM and Fan's Player of the season awards would be a mere fomality (facetious, but you know what I mean).
If they survive, He'd be the man of the hour, and his confidence would be sky high - No harm to have a skillful battling midfielder in top of his game in the Irish set up for a change - and if Keane were to be unsucessful in maintaining premiership survival, Hunt , Like Reid at Charlton before him, would be almost universally exempt from blame, leaving him (assuming a clause was in place and he remained injury free) to take the plaudits for a job well done (despite the consequences) and pack his bags for the first £6m offer that came in from a PL team.
The Reading fans are on Hunt's side no matter what, as he skillfully got his retalliation in first when he suggested recently that, happy as he was with Reading, any decision on his future would be in the hands of the money men.
Really, and I mean this as a genuine question; what is the worst that could happen if Hunt went to Wearside?
I dunno lads... I like Hunt.. I really do.. But I think he's on the crest of a wave at the minute, and should strike while the Irons hot. I don't think in a year or two's time he'll have the power of negotiation he has now. He's making the best of limited ability... I'm not saying leave purely for Sunderland, I'm saying for his own sake if a lucrative offer comes in from a premiership club (Aside from Derby), he should really consider it. People are getting bogged down on the Sunderland/Keane/Ireland factor. If West Ham or Everton do come in I'd say by all means tell Sunderland to get f'cked... But I think Sunderland are better placed in the bigger scheme of things than Reading... Just my humble opinion!!!!
Totally agree with dr_peepee. He should go to the team offering the most money.
Hunt has a very high profile for somebody with a low technical ability and the only thing I think Hunt offers a team is high energy levels and a bit of urgency. He's by no means a top player and I think he should cash in now while clubs are prepared to pay top dollar for him because I don't think he improve beyond his current levels.
I think people underestimate the quality of his delivery and that very valuable asset - timing. He often pops up at the right place at the right time.
I think the package Reading are offering will set him up for life and he's already on the road to being very wealthy anyway. I think he'd be surrounded by mediocrity at Sunderland and if a move to the likes of Everton is on the cards he should take it but Sunderland would be an unnecessary gamble.
If it ain't broke don't fix it, as they say.
The more discerning of us had championed Hunt for a long time.
His direct style of play, urgency and intelligent reading of the game are very effective.
Doesn't always harnass all of that energy in the right way and has a tendency to waste energy running onto lost causes but a minor gripe.
Should be a hugely influential player for us in the next campaign.
He has great bottle to be fair and gives it 100% ecery time I have seen him play and its all you can ask for from the player.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfie
He is a legend!!!!!
I'm in total agreement with you. I think his attitude is spot on and has been sorely lacking among some of his International team mates.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernian
My point was more along the lines that he was almost overly psyched up against the Czechs away and got himself sent off.
Possibly, like Roy Keane - he needs to have that edge to his game to perform to his level best.
Interesting going back to the early posts in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfie
http://foot.ie/showthread.php?t=3346...t=stephen+hunt
spot on Stuttgart, my point exactly
He should stay at Reading for the moment. Doyle should stay there too. Hunt is still improving and getting much better as the season goes on. He's high on confidence and playing well. Let him do his stuff where he is. Moving to another club could derail him.
If, by the end of the season, or next season he is still impressing premiership managers, then he should consider it.
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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Even aside from the money, do you not feel though that Reading are gonna wind up like Charlton?? I think Reading, are as good as they're ever gonna get. I also think when Coppell goes, which could be soon enough, they'll back out of the division.
There's scope for growth at Sunderland that's not there at Reading
Will be interesting if Duff ever hits form again!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfie
Think that was really more down to the fact that he felt he had something to prove having been left out of the 11 and also the reception he was getting off teh home crowd. I dunno how it came over on the telly but they utterly despise him in the Czech Republic, it's a long time since I've seen so much vitriol aimed at one player from the crowd at a game. I still think it was harsh in any case and it was the reception teh crowd had given hiom that made the ref's mind up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfie
He should have gone for that tackle against Man City mind you but you have to consider his relative inexperience and assume that he'll control that aspect of his game in future.
You might be right, but right now I think Reading only need 2-3 more players to maeningfully enhance their team. I think Sunderland need more than that and have shed loads of mediocre players on their books.Quote:
Originally Posted by dr_peepee
Sunderland are a bit "faddy" for my liking. A lot of talk but no substance - yet anyway.
Recent signs have been encouraging re-Duff I think.
He'd be mad to go to Sunderland , should stay where he is , Not that Coppell will accept an offer anyway.
unless sunderland get at least one experienced and useful centre back during this window they will be up against it to avoid relegation. Doesn't matter what you have going forward if you consistently concede 3 goals in a game. Thats why Hunt should avoid going there at all costs IMO. With Kieran Richardson already there would he be guaranteed a starting spot??
Possibly not, but Keane isn't going to blow the best part of 5 million on one player jst so he can sit on the bench.Quote:
Originally Posted by EAFC_rdfl
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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
i take it you were being sarcastic there? ;)
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That's what I was getting at really. I doubt that he ever thought he'd see the day that he was being offered £30k p/w.
I remember laughing reading an article a few years ago with Brentford's Hunt saying he hopes to get a chance to play in the rumoured B match and get a chance to challenge Duff for the left wing spot. :)
If nothing else it just shows how ludicrous it for people writing off players just either side of 20, as they're doing now.
Finnan was a late developer and Jon Walters seems to be too.
Earlier in the previous Stephun Hunt thread some were questioning the wisdom of picking a 25 year old! The 2006 WC showed that you can't beat experience.
I don't even know anymore ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Ogba
There might still be hope for me then! Does 27 count as just the other side of 20?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
He wouldn't get his game at Everton. He's better off staying with Reading at the moment if they are the only clubs interested in him.Quote:
Originally Posted by reder
money talks, reading are a steady club in good financial state who will stay in prem for a long time, sunderland are just building but they are not really buying quality if they get relegated pressure may come on keane financially and job wise and acouple of seasons in championship could be disastrous for hunts reputation and ireland chances
I think over the next five years we will see more and more "late bloomers" and by that I mean players who establish themselves in the top division in their mid to late 20's rather then their early 20's. This is a by-product of the top teams buying in ready-made talent from abroad and not being willing to take a risk on young unproven players from their youth teams, who then end up having to drop a few divisions. The players they have misjudged will prove their worth in the lower divisions and work their way back up to the top division after a few years through a low to mid table team and when they have proven themselves for a few seasons at that club they will eventually be snapped up by a top team. It's probably not such a bad thing as I reckon with the improvement in diat, fitness regimes and surgery, more and more players will still be able to play at the top level well into their 30's.
I read an interview where Keane talked about his versatility, about how he could play on both wings successfully.Quote:
Originally Posted by EAFC_rdfl
To be honest, with a fully healthy lineup, the winger positions would be a 3 way battle between Richardson on the left, Edwards on the right, and Hunt in Roy's view can play on either side.
Considering both of those players are made of glass, he'd have plenty of playing time even if form and ability alone couldn't do it (which in my view they can).
I've watched almost every Reading game this season and Hunt is NOT a grafter.
Just because a player works hard does not mean he lacks talent. He just combines at worst slightly above average talent with tremendous desire and athleticism.
You do not score and set up the amount of goals he has this season by "trying hard."
Dunno about that, Johnson has fallen out of favour. Anichebe and Vaughn are still very young. I think Doyle would be an effective partner to Yakubu, who's off on African Cup of Nations duty. At the very least, he would be first choice in the short term.Quote:
Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge
I think he should stay where he is, he has done very well at Reading and become established there, he seems to be 'part of the furniture' there. Coppel seems to have had belief in him which goes back a long way. Things can all to often go pear shaped after a 'big money' move.
http://www.officialplayersites.com/p...cle.php?id=764
He is probably our brightest talent at the moment and a move to Sunderland would be totally the wrong move. He should stay were he is. If he goes to Sunderland he'll either look for a new club in 5 months time because Sunderland went down or he will rot in the championship.
I was talking about Hunt.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Stephan Hunts remarks in todays paper beggars belief. Giving out about Don Givens not picking him as he is in form? Keep talkin like that and he'll not endear himself to the new boss. He might be playing reasonably ok but not near good enough to displace the wingers on show. It really pains me to hear people cheer his name as if he is the messiah. He is a substandard international player - playing not bad with a team who will probably be relegated from the premier league - and just so happens has a lion heart. He does not have anywhere near the ability of Damien Duff and Aiden mc Geady. Any challengers? Good to see Mc Geady play well at croker - He does not deserve the slating he gets from some quarters. He is our greatest talent and deserves respect and encouragement. After all he is only 22. Bring on Terry Venables and quick!!! Sack Delaney and Givens NOW
Mageady gave two of the worst performances I have ever seen from an Irish player EVER in Slovakia and Czech Republic. Best player my hole.
mceddie is getting better though bill ( assuming he learns how and WHEN to pass ) and so is duff, hunt should shut-up, he should know how limited he is and it showed against the brazilians big-time, he is a good impact sub, thats all.
Since making his début, aged 18, McGeady has picked up the following awards:
He deals week in week out with naysayers and people who want to cut him down at every turn beacuse he is the best thing Scotland have produced in years / maybe ever and he has decided to play for his spiritual home. But then there are people like yourself Bill who make him maybe regret his decision. It is terrible that he is getting slack here as well as there. He has started how many competitive internationals - maybe 4? and you have written him off at 22 Bill. You know nothing and remind me of E Dunphy. He wasn't the worst in Bratislava - Stephan Ireland, Jonathan Douglas, Sheasy were worse. He was the easy sub. Granted poor in Prague - but look what happened his replacement.. Waken up Bill.
- December 2004 - SPL Player of the Month
- Season 2004/05 - Celtic Young Player of the Year
- November 2005 - SPL Young Player of the Month
- Season 2005/06 - SPL Championship winner
- Season 2005/06 - Celtic Young Player of the Year
- August 2006 - SPL Young Player of the Month
- September 2006 - SPL Young Player of the Month
- October 2006 - Young Player of the Month
- Season 2006/07 - Celtic Young Player of the Year
- November 2007 - SPL Player of the Month
He has. I think a lot of Irish fans just have it in their heads that the opposite is the case. I mentioned how he waited for Kilbane to just about beat the offside trap before playing a ball over the top (which actually went out of play in the end). That shows some sort of intelligence and not the head down dumb player he's regarded by some. Many Irish fans spot any single negative from McGeady and assume (or try to tell their mate in the seat beside them) that it's typical McGeady. The difference in the people towards McGeady around me after that late pass to Duff was incredible. They critisise him for no end product yet the same thing can be said about every one of our players on Wednesday.Quote:
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As McGeady said this week about his performances Czech and Slovakia, "I had a stinker".
Anyway, on Hunt.. I don't see him as anything more than an impact player. He has certainly not shown me any of the link up play that I know McGeady is capable of and that's crucial for me. I want our midfielders linking up and moving around the pitch at will.
I havent read the article, as there's no link to the attributed comments, but I will say that his performance notwithstanding, hunt's dedication & attitude cant be faulted.
A player narked that he isn't starting for Ireland makes a pleasant change from Us being narked cos players cant be arsed turning up anymore.
Well said Eirebhoy - by the way I am not a celtic fan - just in case people think its a reason for supporting the talent that is Aiden Mc Geady!!