FAI Junior Cup 2005/06 (Limerick Section)

n.JOE.. I WAS NOT GETTING AT THE REF'S BUT SOME OF THEM TREAT THE PLAYERS LIKE LITTLE CHILDREN, BACK WHEN I PLAYED (BADLY AND A LONG TIME AGO) THE REFS AKA. T.POWER,G.FITZ,F.HOFFLER,J.HARTIGAN,P.COLLINS AND LATER WINDLE WERE RESPECTED BECAUSE THEY SHOWED RESPECT.IT WAS A TWO WAY STREET. NOW YOU PAY THEM A GOOD WAGE AND THEY LOOK DOWN AT CLUBS AND PLAYERS. IS THIS SOMETHING THAT THEY ARE TAUGHT AT REF COURSES? THE MODERN GROUP ARE LIKE A BUNCH OF SPOILT BULLIES. Apologies for the caps.....not retyping now......no clues for the 2nd player...

Agree with you leather, the words power and trip come to mind. They seem more interested in getting as many poorly reffed games in the weekend to fatten the wallet instead of reffing a few games properly and doing a quality job. For the second player just answer this with a yes or a no. Has he come from a different league?

Leather
You may be right, i dont ref anymore as i said so i dont know about the current ref lack of respect or whatever it is perceived to be towards players. But as you said it is a two way system. The players get onto referees backs straight away and to be honest they are stupid for doing so as it makes it worse for themselves invariably. I believe that perhaps the lack of role-models doesnt help in the premiership e.g Roy Keane, P Di Canio, Diouf, the blackburn team! What you think of rugby example?

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Originally Posted by Neutral Jo

I remember when Frank Stewart and Ros Cosgrave were on a minor team together with Ger Cantillon as manager. Where are those players now?

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Ahm, Ross Cosgrave is still with the view :o

Frank Stewart is with Pike

Sorry, Frank is with Regional.

Sorry again, Frank went back to Pike.

Ah s**t, he went back to Regional.

Can someone give Frank a ring and ask him which of the 2 clubs he is going to next week.

shannon69----answer is no... N.joe-------- rugby is a excel eample of respect both ways.. the irb have suspended that knob ref from NZ for giving players crap..on the field. shane horgan on the lions tour was one example where he abused the player...could you ever see the football authorities doing that...........

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Originally Posted by Unreal Madrid

Ah s**t, he went back to Regional.

Can someone give Frank a ring and ask him which of the 2 clubs he is going to next week.

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Hahahaha very good Unreal. Ala Fast Show style "This week...I'll be mostly playing for.." :D

the ref's bring a lot of the abuse onto themselves. they make mistakes and will not admit it.
Then they aboue players , by telling them to **** off and all that. you do the same back as a player and all hell breaks loose.
They are getting paid too much to put in **** performances each week.

This year 1 ref said before the game to a manager i hope you put ina better performance that the last 2 games and the manager said he could say the same back. A dodgy penalty was given and after the game the manager was giving the ref his money and said, you had a bad game out there today. The ref claimed that he was being abused.

OK so we are all in agreement that the referees are bad, incompetent, most of all inconsistent! That drives managers, supporters, players etc mad So does anyone have any suggestions of a way forward? I would like if refs were made more accountable myself. If a ref has a bad game thats the end of it, if a player has a bad game he is dropped! Should there be a system for refs to be marked on a game out of 10 say...
In relation to the Fairview team what about the rest of that minor team? They had a big squad that year of 15 or 16 and only Rosi is left i would say. Why are the rest not there anymore?

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Originally Posted by Neutral Jo

OK so we are all in agreement that the referees are bad, incompetent, most of all inconsistent! That drives managers, supporters, players etc mad So does anyone have any suggestions of a way forward? I would like if refs were made more accountable myself. If a ref has a bad game thats the end of it, if a player has a bad game he is dropped! Should there be a system for refs to be marked on a game out of 10 say...
In relation to the Fairview team what about the rest of that minor team? They had a big squad that year of 15 or 16 and only Rosi is left i would say. Why are the rest not there anymore?

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Sounds great in theory Jo but in reality theres a shortage of refs in nearly every league with the LDMC being no exception. If refs were to be suspended or dropped for a week then theyd just go on strike and the entire league would suffer. Its a tricky one but I do agree that something has to be done especially at the top level games. Saw a ref doing an Interfirm game last year threatening to blow the game up with 15 mins to go and giving the win to the team leading 1-0 just because he could "do whatever he wanted to" and was getting some stick for having a really bad game. Now thats just not on :mad:

My whole point is that someone said on the thread that ref numbers are dropping. Therefore, what are the options for the future, how many young referees are there coming through? Could it be the case say in 10/15 years that there will be none left? Or does nobody care? After all ther are a vital clog in the wheel! I am trying to establish why the numbers are diminishing so drastically? I personally dont care as i dont play or ref anymore. Just offering some advice.....

IMO players have to start understanding that refs do make mistakes, but when a ref makes an obvious mistake then he should just admit the mistake and change the decision. Too many refs make too many rash decisions, instead they should just take their time when making a decision thats what the advantage rule is there for. Your always going to get crowds and managers shouting at refs, thats never going to change.

I was playing a match about 2 years ago where I was calling for offside, called for it three times and was eventually given the free out, and a nice yellow card for calling so "viciferously" for it. Go figure.

Either way one team 'coincidentally the team that doesnt win' will blame the ref.. I just think that there is a lack of respect between the two parties (refs + players) Is there any way that the relaationship could be buils up.? Maybe a meeting once a month with club captains or officials for feedback and just to build up a rapport?

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Originally Posted by Neutral Jo

Either way one team 'coincidentally the team that doesnt win' will blame the ref.. I just think that there is a lack of respect between the two parties (refs + players) Is there any way that the relaationship could be buils up.? Maybe a meeting once a month with club captains or officials for feedback and just to build up a rapport?

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Not as long as they have any old eejit thinking he can ref just to get a few handy quid on a Sunday.

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Originally Posted by Neutral Jo

My whole point is that someone said on the thread that ref numbers are dropping. Therefore, what are the options for the future, how many young referees are there coming through? Could it be the case say in 10/15 years that there will be none left? Or does nobody care? After all ther are a vital clog in the wheel! I am trying to establish why the numbers are diminishing so drastically? I personally dont care as i dont play or ref anymore. Just offering some advice.....

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ah my old friend joe..how are kepping?its saying a lot for the bunch we have at the moment that you're running their training and fitness sessions at your mature age.but,fair play-you're a credit to the rest of us.

by the way,what has happened to your local team (with the manholes on their pitch-you know-at the greenhills).they had a fine side a few years back?

ps:i had to have a go at your name..i mean you wern't very NEUTRAL to us in a famous community games final years back in Ballysheedy when you allowed a goal to stand after our keeper was slide-tackled into the net with the ball in his arms..luckily,there was a happy ending as we won on penalties and you went home with a nice match fee!!!:cool: :rolleyes:

Well im sorry you feel that way whoareyou but you will have to let stuff like that go if you are going to get anywhere in life. I always did the best i could. What club are you with Coonagh i bet is it? Always bitter!

I am getting places in life, joe.
im currently writing up a CV for a possible role in divito's chipper with da boys..
you wont find me there. try getting a hackney cab out to the other side...
hope you are working your magic with the likes of messurs Bourke, Weldon and Kiely and co.i hear their in bad need of it!
great to hear from you by the way..

I knew you were a Coonagh man! Ha got you in 1! What are you these days? Doing well for yourself, ha! Still bitter about a match from years ago! Im sure it was a fair decision!! The refs are in pretty good shape il have you know uareu, training for 3 months quite hard!

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Originally Posted by Neutral Jo

I knew you were a Coonagh man! Ha got you in 1! What are you these days? Doing well for yourself, ha! Still bitter about a match from years ago! Im sure it was a fair decision!! The refs are in pretty good shape il have you know uareu, training for 3 months quite hard!

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who said anything about being bitter?we won that final...
who said anything about Coonagh?a caherdavin- coonagh derby is just like the norwich- ipswich rivalry ie:no one gives a s*** about them..
who said anything about the refs being fit?cause the dogs on the street know that they've been watching too many champs league matches on a tuesday night (with a beer in one hand and a muffin in the other) to bother turning up for ye're getogethers.the results speak for themselves on a sunday morning,eh...

so neutral joe, how is morale in the camp at present?paddy collins should bring ye all paintballing or go-carting.that would be good fun:D :D :D

Well why are you bringing up the past if you are not bitter still? Football is relative to the supporters who support it young man! It might mean as much to Nowich to beat there rivals as Newcastle to beat Chelsea! Same at all levels.
What club are you from if not Coonagh? You are mad cause i caught you out! Thats all now. The referees do not need moral boosts, just come down to training and you will see the comeradery in the camp! Better than coonaghs anyways!

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Originally Posted by Neutral Jo

Well why are you bringing up the past if you are not bitter still? Football is relative to the supporters who support it young man! It might mean as much to Nowich to beat there rivals as Newcastle to beat Chelsea! Same at all levels.
What club are you from if not Coonagh? You are mad cause i caught you out! Thats all now. The referees do not need moral boosts, just come down to training and you will see the comeradery in the camp! Better than coonaghs anyways!

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lads ye are on abt coonagh+caherdavin cop on they are both shxx teams who will never be anywhere near the top:p

We never said we were any good. We are entitled to support who we want! If everyone played a nd supported the big teams there would be no future in the game

We never said we were any good. We are entitled to support who we want! If everyone played a nd supported the big teams there would be no future in the game

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Originally Posted by Neutral Jo

We never said we were any good. We are entitled to support who we want! If everyone played a nd supported the big teams there would be no future in the game

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whats this WE about, joe?
Don't blow my up for offside again by claiming that im a Coonagh man..
ive no association what so ever with that club nor will ever have.

Honesty is best policy Hugh! I never said i was a davin man either!Im Neutral hense the name!

so joe,who, in your opinion,are the best referees at present that the LDMC has to offer?

George Clancy, he is the coolest customer in the business

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Originally Posted by Neutral Jo

George Clancy, he is the coolest customer in the business

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ill give you that call but my question was "are the best", not just one..
we want to know, as a NEUTRAL, your top 10 currently refereeing in the Limerick leagues?

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Former ref here,
I stopped refin as its not worth the abuse lads. I disagree that fellas are entitled to shout and roar at a referee if they make a bad decision in their opinion. The refs are doing their best after all. I think rugby is the way forward, they respect the refs decision and only the captain 'questions' talks with the ref. I have yet to see a ref to change his mind cause of some mindless idiot screaming at him. Also, i always subconsciously turned against teams who baraded me for a full 90 minutes. Abusing officials get a team nowhere, thats my outlook. I dont support any team in town but was happy for Boro, Fairview are ageing and i never understood their policy of getting rid of their youth team players. I remember when Frank Stewart and Ros Cosgrave were on a minor team together with Ger Cantillon as manager. Where are those players now?

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That was probably the best minot team Fairview had in the last 20 years - most of the players aint even playing anymore

As for Conor lynch well he just aint good enough anymore - i thought he was supposed to be a boro man.Gets dropped for 1 game and he sulks like a baby and wants to leave - boro are better off getting rid.Only cares about himself.I doubt the likes of Alan Sheehan would have reacted the same if they were dropped.

Ya well Fairview should concentrate more on their youth policy and build for the future instead of poaching players from other clubs. This does not lead to loyalty and 100% committment.
As for the referees hugh i dont know anymore cause i dont see many fers in action but from experience, Frank O Neil was always top dog, and Ed Clancy aswell.

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Originally Posted by liverman

frank was the best ref two do the job while standing in the semi circle:rolleyes:

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What about noel dunphy he was a fair ref?

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As for Conor lynch well he just aint good enough anymore - i thought he was supposed to be a boro man.Gets dropped for 1 game and he sulks like a baby and wants to leave - boro are better off getting rid.Only cares about himself.I doubt the likes of Alan Sheehan would have reacted the same if they were dropped.

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Of all the Boro men Lynch should be regarded higher than this. He has been dropped for many a game in the past and has stayed through the rough periods that the boro has gone through. There has been talk before that he was about to leave but he always stayed. If he goes, he is finally thinking about himself for once and he is not leaving the club in dire as they will survive withone him. Makes a change as usually the losing team has a few that walks cause they are too big for the club. Perhaps being left out of the biggest game of the season by another new manager is just too much to take.

Didnt see much of Noel so i could not comment too much about him as a ref, i have heard he was good though alright. .

Monster--- very harsh on lynch,Could do a job for boro if he wanted to stay around.His choice...would have been a good teacher for the young guys on how to put the ball in the net!!!!! Unreal Madrid-----lynch has always been highly regarded by boroites, past club actions can testify to that.....

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Originally Posted by Neutral Jo

Ya well Fairview should concentrate more on their youth policy and build for the future instead of poaching players from other clubs. This does not lead to loyalty and 100% committment.
As for the referees hugh i dont know anymore cause i dont see many fers in action but from experience, Frank O Neil was always top dog, and Ed Clancy aswell.

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sorry jo,think you're way off the mark here,the view have probably got one of the best schoolboy setup's in town,are you sure you don't mean pike rovers?what with the poaching and all that

Was talking to one of the View lads this morning and hes told me that theyve put in an objection against the Boro after last Sundays loss to them. Centers around Alan Barry and whether hes legal or illegal. Dont think they have a case as hes long gone from Limerick. Touch of sore loser syndrome if you ask me :rolleyes: