Some welcome selection problems for sure. And for set pieces we should be well equipped also - O'Brien, O'Shea, Collins and quite possibly Ferguson to aim at.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
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Some welcome selection problems for sure. And for set pieces we should be well equipped also - O'Brien, O'Shea, Collins and quite possibly Ferguson to aim at.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
Something for sacked Seanie Dyche to suck hard on as he updates his CV by the sounds of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
No sign of Calamity Keane off the bench either this week, but as we saw last week, you need a two goal lead & less than four minutes remaining to give him a jolly out safely.
Fair play to O'Brien so far, great to see. Leicester & Bournemouth up next for Everton, then at home to Liverpool.
He was so good in preseason too. There were loads calling for him to come in beside Tarkowski in week 1 with Branthwaite out - but he went for Calamity. And loads tipping him to be at least first off the bench if there was an injury to either. Good to see it now and for Moyes to trust him so quickly (and ahead of Patterson/Young at rb) is really positive. If Everton are safe with a few games to go, would love to see him and Branthwaite together in the centre. Formidable pairing potential there. Both big, fast and brick sh!thouses. Put Mick Kegger up front to keep a few posters here happy.Quote:
Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
I agree that Jake is a fine prospect. As requested, please post link to this "article". Not interested in foul and scurrilous garbage in Reddit and X.Quote:
Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
Dyche had said that he felt O'Brien needed a bit of time to adapt to the pace of the Premier League. Which might have made sense if he had given him sub appearances for the first month or two until he was ready to start games, and not played Michael Keane (a later career Ciaran Clark level journeyman) ahead of him. But how he was supposed to adapt by sitting on the bench unused every week is beyond me.
You can get a certain amount out of training with players who play in the league, but presumably he would have already done that in his Crystal Palace days. Once Dyche left him sitting there week after week it suggested that there was something more to it than just that. Whether it was a personal issue between them or just a very backward view towards a younger player from Dyche I don't know. Or maybe O'Brien was signed over his head in the summer and he was trying to make a point about that. But in the end it seems to have contributed to him losing his job because he left out a player who clearly could have improved his team.
Is Keane a journeyman? Following a few cameos with Man Utd he has played for Burnley and Everton. Loans hardly count, do they? If so, is Troy Parrott a journeyman? So is Jake!Quote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
Maybe it was neither a personal thing nor Dyche not rating him. Maybe he just didn't think it fair to throw the relatively inexperience O'Brien into a relegation dogfight.
Calamity Clark? Has a ring to it. Howler against Belgium, otherwise as calamity safe as Kelleher, Bazunu, Collins, Coleman, Duffy, Egan et al. Probably a close runner-up to Glenn Whelan as the most maligned international in recent history.
Has to be said, defence wasn't really Everton's problem under Dyche in fairness. 15 for and 25 against strongly suggests the problem was at the other end. And that was after 4-13 in the opening four games, so it really tightened up then. I don't think it holds that leaving out O'Brien is a stick to beat Dyche with. But it's good to see him get a game now
Taking it back to Keane for a second... while Everton's defense has been decent under Dyche and Moyes... here is a stat... Keane played 9 of the first 10 games this season - full 90 - Everton conceded 16 in those 9 games. He has played 2 minutes across the 12 games since then and Everton have conceded 11 (4 in one game). One of those 11 was with him on the pitch where he was directly responsible. Going back even further, a simple google will tell you all you need to know about Michael Keane's horrendous form over the last 5-6 years. Pundits, fans, analysts - you name it.
Jake, top prospect that we all agree he is, has a low bar to clear.
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Originally Posted by SkStu
This article ; https://www.footballfancast.com/ever...n-dyche-waste/
Goes to some lengths in detailing why Calamity Keane is actually Evertons worst ever signing with Perry Groves saying
Error-prone and often too slow to make up for his mistakes, talkSPORT pundit Perry Groves issued a particularly scathing rant back in 2022 after one torrid showing: “He always looks to me like he's not in control of his own body. You know when someone's always struggling or trying to make last-ditch tackles.
In recent days I've given some attention to coverage of the player, prior to that I just knew he was someone in O'Briens way & its not good reading for those in Calamities corner.
In fact, we're, IMO, entering Clusterf**k territory to accurately describe the man. Clusterf**k Keane.
But underpinning all this, this is a guy O'Brien, if he's what we hoped, can displace with a fair go from a manager not carrying out some weird agenda.
Knock off the nicknames CTP, Keane is a far better footballer than any of us could ever hope to be
He's probably better than seanfhear but, then again, probably only cos he is really old.
You could see me on the Man Utd bench before Marcus Rashford ~ The way things are going !Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
If Keane is that bad, O'Brien must have been really awful in training to get stuck behind him in the pecking order.
I'm thinking Keane isn't that bad.
Michael Keane, who played for us at youth level, was so bad he ended up playing for England a few times.
If he had stuck with us, I guarantee all that anyone would be talking about here is how error prone he has been for Everton over the last 4-5 years! The Calamity Keane moniker would be daily bread :D I give up!! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Predator
Dyche should have given Jake a break and Not a brake !
Dyche ended up with ache for Not using Jake !
Yes, during the time when you were Calamity Kenny’s Boswell. You know error-prone.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
OK - so it is a little personal with me. At least you have come clean on that indirectly. On Kenny, some were willing to give him little to no time, others wanted him to have more time than he got, but I was probably in the middle - and in retrospect, I was too forgiving and its not the first time I have acknowledged that here. But I have no problem getting some stuff wrong. Maybe a quick google on Michael Keane's form over the last few years will let you realize that you might have got this one a bit wrong and let your frustration with my support of Kenny get in the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snapshot
With Scales suspended for the first game think O'Shea will move into CB and Doherty likely starts RB now that he's playing regularly at club level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
Though Hallgrimsson might surprise me and give O'Brien a start thinking his height will give us an advantage at set pieces.
Collins could again play that defensive midfield hybrid role. More so in the first leg with it being away. Start a bit defensive to suss them out and then change things up.
There's also McGuinness who I think did OK at Wembley and I agree we might see Collins staying in midfield. McGuinness is also a big aerial threat.
Collins didn't really play in midfield though. He just stepped out of the back line at times. We got hammered in the game. I'm not sure it was a success, wouldn't be certain we'll see it tried again.
By the same token, I wouldn't call it a failure. It was working, or at least not failing, until the red card.
I can see it definitely being tried again. Probably not against Bulgaria but whichever seed one team we play and it's a possibility with Hungary who'll have a player like Szoboszlai.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Collins played well in that hybrid but we need to play someone like Finn Azaz in midfield also when we do. Can't be playing two workhouses ahead of him.
I think it’s probably something that is designed exclusively for elite sides, where you’re primarily just looking to contain them.
Gets his second goal of the season - the half season he's been afforded.
A feature of his right back role is that he will get in position to receive a diagonal ball or into the box to provide another aerial option. A straight forward but clearly effective tool used by Moyes. He's been doing it all game and eventually found himself in a good position as a ball was put into the box and he took the goal well. Header to equalise.
Peter Reid in the stands with what seemed to be a nice little celtic cross pin on the his jacket lapel.
Good to now have a few viable right back options, but would think O'Brien has to get the start against Bulgaria. Defensively strong, good on the ball and a threat in the opposition box for set pieces. Getting him in and moving O'Shea across to centre back should be a good upgrade for us from the autumn.
Just saw the Jake O'Brien goal ~ Did he hold the centre forward position after a set-piece, or was he playing as a make-shift centre-forward for the last few minutes of the game ~ Either way it was excellent positional play from him and a damn nice goal for a full-back / centre-back !
He also had one excellent shot in that highlights piece ~ A really really powerful shot !
Goal at about 2 minutes 35 seconds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ9t-uL1bAQ
He was up for a corner and had stayed forward for the next ball in.
A great finish and as mentioned, he had a good effort from distance before that. Good to see him thrive under Moyes after stagnating under Dyche - just shows how easily players can rise and fall under different managers.
Definitely seems like a big mistake from DycheQuote:
Originally Posted by Predator
now ( well with the benefit of hindsight ) Was Dyche throwing a strop for not having a say in buying Jake O'Brien ? Obviously we don't know, but some managers can be a bit awkward in such situations !
Everyone who saw Jake at Lyon knew it was a mistake. Probably cost Dyche his job. He’s always so stubborn with playing only experienced centre halves, whether it’s Ben Mee at Burnley forever or starting Michael Keane over Jake O’Brien at EvertonQuote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
Fast becoming a fan favourite getting loads of praise for his ability, distribution and attitude on the below. Looks like a really composed footballer with a canny knack for goal. Him and Collins could be some pairing in the future if only playing 2 in the centre (although would prefer us with a 3 with O’Shea)…
https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/t...20134/page-118