He did?Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
He did?Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Yep - in the 1-1 draw where he was badly at fault for their equaliser?
Look again. You can point the finger at least four others for the goal (hint - McClean, Molumby, Duffy, Doherty). But you chose to single one player out. Odd.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Oh for God's sake, not this conspiratorial nonsense again. I thought he may as well not have been on the pitch for it; was ghosted past and wasn't chasing back when beaten either.Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
He's not getting his game for most of the past year, we have other options, I don't think he should be in the squad until that changes. That's the sum of my position (in response to the original, quite reasonable, discussion question posed)
Do you agree/disagree?
I just watched that 5 times and I can only say that anyone that is solely focusing on Omobamidele and saying he cost us that goal is being incredibly disingenuous.Quote:
Originally Posted by JR89
Omobamidele pointed to the #9 and told (I think?) Duffy to cover him. He seen the 10 drop into the space in front of defense and followed him having checked there was cover in behind. They yes he made a weak tackle (McCleans attempt was worse), but there was still plenty of cover behind.
I think this does highlight perfectly an agenda.
There are a number of posters who have observed this now, both on here & privately about this posters attitude towards say Kelleher & Bazunu. Omobamidele and all the others today. Obafemi & Parrott or Keane. It's a growing group who are uncomfortable with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
What on earth are you on about Crafty? A growing group of people are uncomfortable - with what? "All the others today" - eh? Obafemi or Parrott or Keane?
I'd reply to your post if I could work out what it was you were trying to say.
Omobamidele was one of those called out in the match thread for being poor and going backwards. He's not getting his game at club level and others are (at a not dissimilar level); do you not think it's unreasonable to suggest he doesn't deserve his place in the squad right now?
The comments in the match thread are interesting tooQuote:
Originally Posted by JR89
https://foot.ie/threads/288432-Repub...-2023-Friendly
Look, I am not saying any of the following is legit but I think what is being suggested by some of the recent posts is that you are unduly harsh in your assessment of black Irish players, compared to others, to a point where it is worth tabling. Its been suggested to me offline. I'm not going to entertain it but you should know so you can respond.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
I mean, if posters think suggesting Obafemi and Idah have poor scoring records or that Bazunu has a poor xG stat is racist, then **** me, we're through the looking glass here.
I've said plenty of times before I like Omobamidele as a player, based in particular on that Serbia home game. He was excellent in it. But it's three years ago now and he's not done a huge amount since. I'll acknowledge from the video he was less to blame for the goal than I remember - though he's pretty crap for it, and I think he had a brain fart later in the half that nearly cost us a goal too - but ultimately the question was "Is he worth a place in the squad at the moment?" and I find it telling no-one is bothering to mount any sort of argument in his defence. (And yes, he's only 22 before we get the usual suggestion that he's being written off...)
Arguably he shouldn't have been in the squad in the first place, that was his first minutes of competitive football since the previous August
Looking at the bench again there was only Dara O'Shea as a replacement center half so there must have been a lot of injuries? I don't really remember right now, but Duffy starting, let alone being captain was far more egregious than Omobamidele being in the squad.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
My personal opinion is that Omobamidele will end up being the best of all our current defenders, he's still prone to mistakes but that'll improve as he ages
I think at his best, which we've only seen glimpses of, he could be our best Centre back in decades, his injury record and game time for the last few years may already have stunted the player he could have been, but really hoping he can get a run of games this year to see what he's really made of and what level he can achieve, there's a wonderful player in there if his body is able for it.
I vaguely remember Kenny saying something about the NZ game, that he gave a few people who needed game time, or who always showed for squads when asked but didn't get on the pitch as much as they'd like, a chance because he wanted to help/reward them. Also totally disagree with Duffy playing in that one, was happy enough to see Andrew get his chance as he was someone who desperately needed minutes for his career in general.
FWIW, it's been pointed out to me too, and outside of the group of posters here who I'd have contact with outside foot.ie.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
I’ve watched it again a few times and still scratching my head as to what McClean was up to. If he held his position when the NZ attacker gets the ball there’s no immediate danger. Best NZ could do here is play a ball into the second NZ attacker heading to the corner (who is tracked by Cullen) or recycle the ball. But McClean showed his attacker the inside, and when his attacker went inside, McClean still could have blocked the run but instead chose to loop his run to the outside?Quote:
Originally Posted by JR89
Exactly my original point. (Albeit as RLP notes I think there was an injury crisis for that one). He was off the pace in that game (that's mentioned by others in the match thread), and was poor for the goal in particular, when he may as well not have been there, albeit I acknowledge it wasn't as glaringly decisive as I remember. And if he continues to not get his game at Forest, is he ahead of (in no particular order) O'Shea, O'Brien, Egan, Duffy, Scales, McGuinness, Lenihan and even Dunne at the moment? I don't think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
But to jump from there to suggesting it's racist to say that Obafemi has an attitude problem/Idah doesn't score enough goals/Bazunu doesn't keep enough out - that's disgraceful stuff to be quite honest. A lot of posters criticised Festy for his cameos recently - I presume that was racism too?
Couple of posters want to have a bit of a look at themselves here.
Persistent micro nit-picking would be the catalyst, not general criticism. But rebuke accepted, it was just being pointed out that questions have been asked, partially in jest but wrapped around a kernel of seriousness.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
If the Joe Worral transfer goes ahead that would leave Forest with 4 Senior centre backs from what I can see? Surely good for Andy's minutes this season.
They are selling Worral because they have OmobamideleQuote:
Originally Posted by OMTY
Another centre back in at Forest, not ideal for Omobamidele when he already wasn't starting.
They signed 23-year-old Morato from Benfica. A highly rated, 6'4" Brazilian centre-back who was reportedly valued at €70m and wanted by Spurs not too long ago. You'd imagine that's him slipping even further down the pecking order.
It's a bit clichéd to say it at this point, but Omobamidele is definitely one who could have done with a couple of years on the continent. Then could have come back as a higher profile, more developed player and moved into a starting position in England if he wanted to.
Like Festy, Abankwah, Jack Byrne, Liam Kerrigan, Dan Crowley etc?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
The fabled "continent" doesn't magically make you a better player. Just because Jake O'Brien did well at Lyon doesn't mean anything for anybody else. English football isn't holding our players back, their ability is.
I mostly agree, but there are definitely players who either make a bad decision or through a bit of bad luck wind up stuck in a backup role. It's the risk they take every time a player tries to take a step up. He'll be getting good coaching at Forest, but he'd probably be improving more by playing at least semi-regularly. I think he'd have been as well at Norwich as anywhere on the continent, but that's easy to say in hindsight.
Reality ~ ~ Who really wants to live in reality ? !Quote:
Originally Posted by ColourfulPeanut
I generally agree with you actually, I think the "move to the continent" thing gets thrown around far too much. But Omobamidele is one I would probably make an exception to that position for. He's almost too much of a footballing centre back for the Championship, but maybe a year or two away from being ready to start week in week out in the Premier League. Which is why I think a move to a league that's stronger and more technical than the Championship, but not quite as strong as the Premier League might suit him in particular.Quote:
Originally Posted by ColourfulPeanut
I'm sure he took the move that paid him the most with the longest contract and that was forest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
Of course. I don't think there were necessarily any other options even available at the time. That's not the point I'm making - what I'm saying is he's not quite ready to hold down a Premier League starting place yet and he needs games at a decent level to help him continue to develop. He won't be getting many between now and January anyway I suspect.
There's such a big jump now from the Championship to the Premier League, it's a problem because players fall into the gap and end up not playing much. Will likely happen to Omobamidele, Manning, Taylor, maybe McAteer for the next few months.
I agree with that . What drives me insane is the talk from some posters(not you) that irish players somehow are naive children who end up at clubs against their will when in reality players are ambitious driven young men who have through their own ability and hard work made it as professional footballers and who make career choices based on money and longterm security just like most of the rest of usQuote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
Linked with a January loan move to Leeds per the Telegraph.
Has only made the bench four times this season - I think injury has been part, but not all, of that - but with Forest bizarrely up to third in the table, they're managing just fine without him, and a loan move may be no harm
His career to date has been a spectacular anti-climax. Since his strong performance away to Portugal, his only spark has been a five-year Forest contract. They paid circa £11m.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
The same could be said for £17m Jake O'Brien at Everton.
Meanwhile, Adam Idah - his best game for Ireland was also in Portugal - is currently as occasional a starter in the god-awful SPFL. He cost £9.5m, probably the most expensive Championship benchwarmer ever.
That's £37.5m for not much return.
Yeah, O'Brien's been another disappointing transfer alright. But another one where arguably the results on the pitch justify the current team selection - only the top six have conceded fewer goals than Everton, and three of those have conceded just one fewer. 7 clean sheets in their last 11 games. Their problems are at the other end of the pitch.
That said, with Lyon's current problems, O'Brien probably didn't have much say in his departure, and he's at least assured his salary will be paid.
Last season was such a massive step forward for O'Brien that I kind of feel as though he's still ahead of where most thought he'd be by now. And at least he's making the bench unlike Omobamidele.
Omobamidele is maybe more disappointing because initial expectations were higher for him. But he is also a year younger so he does have time on his side and a good loan in January could turn things around for him fairly quickly.
But lyon spent the money they received for Jake and added another 10m to sign his replacement Niakhate from forest who is 5 yrs older. The whole Jake O brien transfer makes no sense for Everton or Lyon.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Lyon’s owner was trying to buy Everton and therefore gave Everton favourable deals. 1) O’Brien was wanted by a host of teams and Everton got a favourable deal on the fee. 2) Lyon bought Mangala for £20m this summer having spent £10m on the loan fee in January and immediately loaned him to Everton. Both deals were designed to help Everton be competitive without the deals making any sense for Lyon. He also loaned the club money to cover day to day runnings, while Lyon themselves owe about €400m.
The issue is twofold. Everton expected and really needed to sell Branthwaite to United. United weren’t willing to match the asking price. Everton wanted £70m, United offered £45m and £50m. Everton probably misjudged how United would react. Few other things coincided - Ratcliffe’s new regime trying to be frugal on certain transfers - United unexpectedly being able to convince Yoro to sign for them over Real Madrid and Liverpool (United vastly outbid others on transfer fee, wages, agents fee - and a call from Rio Ferdinand to the player apparently convinced him). Then when their second bid for JB failed, they pivoted to De Ligt, who Ten Hag wanted and was available for £43m.
O’Brien was planned as a replacement for Branthwait and Dyche is really stubborn regarding centre halves and doesn’t trust anyone young or without premier league experience. Branthwaite started last season on the bench and it took a 4-0 tonking by Villa to give him a chance. Dyche had both Tarkowski and Keane at Burnley and loves both of them.
From speaking to Everton fans, they also believe that with Branthwaite aged 22, Dyche wants an older experienced player alongside him, so unless he’s sold, O’Brien will never play. Besides, Keane has had a relative resurgence this season and is third choice ahead of O’Brien
It's Leeds Utd v Sheffield Utd in the pursuit of Omobamidele, according to the press reports today. Of course Farke gave A. O. his senior and then Premier League debuts while both were at Norwich. The Blades need reinforcements after CB Souttar suffered a season ending injury.
Leeds United 'open talks' for £10m Premier League outcast with Sheffield United transfer battle possible
A lot of sense to both options - maybe loan with an option to buy if promoted even. He's going nowhere at Forest.
Apparently moving to Ligue 1 side Strasbourg on a permanent (edit - possibly loan) deal.
I said up the page that he's a player that I particularly think would suit a continental league more than the Championship, so hopefully this comes off and goes well for him. Another player playing regularly in a European Top 5 league can only be a good thing.
Confirmed now - loan with an option to buy. Hopefully he has a similar experience in France to what Jake O'Brien had and can make a name for himself there.