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Anyone see Prime Time? What I am hearing (I didn’t see it) is same as OTB: no players objected. But PT saying one FAI official is the one unhappy with it.
Now, my instinctive reaction is that the new CEO is English.
Maybe he’s already seeking a constructive dismissal exit!
Exit: sorry didn’t see CJ’s post, suggesting it wasn’t an FAI board member.
A republican that everyone can get behind!Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
An anti-monarchist revolutionary. What’s not to like? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Exgrad
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Originally Posted by ColourfulPeanut
That's silly, its a non story. I have zero problem with what Rice and Grealish did, at the end of the day its their choice and you have to respect them for that. There are bigger things to be worried about than faux outrage over songs.
The bigger issue here is how Kenny thought this would gee up the players. Is this something he has done in the past with Dundalk, a rousing Corrs special before one of the European games?
We don’t like Grass’s in Ireland. Was it on the RTE Website where it said that it was a 2 and a half minute video ~ the first two minutes previous Irish Goals against England and then a bit of Motivation Historical Stuff ~ ~ Rte did not explain further but perhaps it was Tiocfaidh Ár Lá ~ that last bit is my own guess ~ just a guess !
If it was the video to Runaway he played that would explain a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
In fairness he and some more had the balls to kill a King ( who probably deserved it ) when not many would have had the balls to kill a king in those days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fixer82
He’ll have to do Cromwell for the next game now !
Being Prime Time, I'll still have to wait for it to be distilled down and remove the Helen Lovejoy, I mean Miriam O'Callaghan stench from it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
We all know it was probably one of our Asthmatic coaches right?
You mean that missing bit where Mick did a Robert the Bruce impression and finally prevailed after 2 failures to qualify?Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
Take it easy Bonnie, 5 posts in a row after a hiatus longer than a Trapatoni era hoof ??
The lyrics of that song are really an ode to supporting the Irish team in spite of our better sense:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eminence Grise
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Originally Posted by The Corrs, Runaway
Sure there are Woke-ers around now that would expect Kenny to play ~ “ God Save the Queen " to the Irish team !
Not quite. But I guess we could send Weldoninho to Rathlin to make him think about what he's done. It would spare us the anti-Kenny schtick for a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
The recent and nauseating need to show "how grown up we are" the last few years is well, nauseating.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
Much like this post's construction.
Stephen Kenny is an innocent maauun.
An appraisal of the Kenny era thus far:
Positives:
We've attempted to keep the ball on the floor and play a bit more football - and, to our credit, our players have shown themselves as being a deal more capable of passing the ball to one another over 5 yards than previous regimes have suggested possible.
Kenny was reluctant to bring him in, but Dara O'Shea has shown himself to be a very useful and capable find, with an ability to play across the backline. A very welcome addition.
Again Kenny's arm had to be forced but, beyond O'Shea, we've brought in a number of very promising looking players such as Knight and Byrne, giving genuine hope for the future.
Negatives:
No wins in 8 matches. No goals in 11 hours. No shots on target in our last match, at home against an extremely poor Bulgaria side.
We look extremely shaky at the back, with our previous defensive solidity now seemingly a thing of the past. Asking players unsuited to playing out from the back such as Randolph and Duffy to do so, even when we're being pressed, seems foolhardy.
Doherty's comments about players 'giving up' are very troubling. Even in our very worst moments under previous managers you'd at least expect our players to give their all.
Kenny's investment in the tried and failed. Players like Horgan, not good enough for the Scottish Premiership let alone the English Championship, is disquieting. He isn't and will never be good enough.
We are too easy to play against. Predictable, passive, ponderous and wholly lacking in aggression and urgency.
We offer no goal threat with seemingly no offensive plan and no attacking conviction whatever. And the statistics obviously bear this out.
Our set-pieces have been poor. No quick throw-in, free-kicks or corners, and no imagination. It seems these haven't been worked on at all - criminal, particularly given our powder-puff attack.
Kenny's apparent personal dislike of certain players like Obafemi and Byrne is hurting us.
The Ill-thought-through 'political' video shown before the pointless England friendly that has seemingly upset and alienated a number of players and members of the coaching staff seems, on the face of it, to be a serious error of judgement.
RTÉ puts a bit more flesh on the video itself -
The first part is exactly what I'd expect to have seen. Then the offending part seems to be a 30-second clip. That could be a speech scene from Michael Collins or something similar. I can understand that being reasonable in the context. The Indo article makes it sound like they all sat down and watched the whole film, which would be silly.Quote:
RTÉ Sport understands that two-and-a-half minutes of the video was famous goals scored against England, from Ray Houghton, Kevin Sheedy, Niall Quinn, Tony Cascarino and Shane Long, followed by 30 seconds of "historical context" of the relationship between Ireland and England
I'd be less inclined to be bothered about a 30-second clip tbh (acknowledging that I don't know what it was - but how bad can it have been?)
Gee, Bonnie, I never had you pegged as a devotee of Celtic fusion. It's all coming out in the wash tonight!;)Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
Mind you, they used to say the definition of a music lover was a man who put his ear to the keyhole when he heard one of the Corr sisters singing in the shower.
Bar going over to London to be suckered in to signing that Treaty, Michael Collins was a great fella altogether. Sure they made a film about him and everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Sure even the Brits were upset when Michael Collins got whacked !
In response to yourself Trequartista20
Some good points but I'd offer a few different takes. Not sure why I'm defending Kenny but I just think we are too early here make too many clear judgements.
>Obafemi isn't getting a game anywhere at the minute (was even on the bench for the 21s) and could do with learning a lesson after his petulant little tweet.
>Doherty has plenty of form going to the media with his gripes so I wouldn't put too much stock in what he says yet. I don't see a lack of effort, just a lack of cohesion and composure.
>We can't score because we have no striker - we've created chances but haven't stuck them away.
>Hard to practice set pieces when your team changes every matchday and you're limited in the time you can spend with them. Dundalk were well drilled in set pieces and scored plenty.
>Horgan probably wouldn't be involved if not for the missing players. As it is, with covid making it a risk to go too far afield perhaps, I'd say Kenny just wanted to stick to players he knew who were close by and it was a bonus if he knew them well. Horgan did as well as anyone else to be fair to him but he will be dropped when Robinson/O'Dowda/Connolly/Hendrick etc are all available.
>We look shaky at the back with Duffy for sure but we still aren't conceding much outside of the England game. It's the other end I'd be more worried about and we aren't working with our first choice backline at all. Not even close to it.
>Not sure what to make of the video but as I said above, if the leaker is who the Independent suggest, then he has form and should be the one removed.
But really, why the are the FAI investigating this and not Delaney?
3 minutes long? I hope Kenny played the Alan Partridge video
I'd agree with some of that OTOH.
Maybe I'm being a bit hard on Kenny and the team, and no doubt I'll feel unjustifiably optimistic by the time the next set of fixtures come round.
It's the nature of being a fan.
I'm not sure I want to live in a world where I'm not allowed to hate the English
Yeah because that's what I said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Exgrad
You can be pro-Irish without being anti-English and it seems like this could have been the latter.
They are not that fond of us either !Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
I'm not sure it's really healthy to hate anyone, especially based irrationally on what they are rather than who they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
I'm obviously taking the pi$$ , this sounds a nonsense story of the highest orderQuote:
Originally Posted by Trequartista20
I fear your hatred of the English is largely unrequited.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
The English are not that fond of the Irish ~ ~ I can tell you that as someone who lived there for years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trequartista20
Did ya foyl the ball Kyenny? Did ya foyl the ball?
As touched upon by another poster the story is the leaking/reporting of the clip not of the clip itself by someone who simply has to be out to get SK. It is someone close enough to have been there and has then went to the FAI board complaining about what essentially nothing really.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
There simply has to be further involvement in the Irish camp for the individual involved and any decision apart from this made by the FAI will be a national disgrace.
Until we hear exactly what this 30 seconds consisted of - and maybe Kenny's own talk that allegedly touched on a similar topic - it's impossible to judge. It could be a ridiculous non-story, an underhanded coup or a sackable offence. Silly thing to do for a friendly all the same.
I'm sorry if you've felt discriminated against. I've lived in London for the best part of five years and that hasn't been my experience, but I know my father got some rough treatment in years gone by.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
Ah here unless it was 30 second description of how many pieces Airey Neive’s body ended up in then it is clearly already a non story. **** poor motivational tactics certainly and in keeping with the ridiculousness of the game even happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeverFeltBetter
There simply can be no room for such an individual so close to the camp from here I don’t think that can be disputed.
Men and women knowingly gave up their lives to free most of this country from the English. There's been no shortage of English born people of Irish heritage who have spoken about that being a proud part of their heritage.
If Irish patriotism doesn't sit comfortably with someone, be that player, coach or backroom staff, and no matter where they were born or how they came to be Irish, I have to question what business they have being in an Irish dressing room.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noel Gallagher
That Stephen Kenny couldn't have dreamed a better way to claim back some support makes be dubious that the story hasn't been planted by the FAI. Either way it's a load of ********.
The people making this into a story, I suspect, are the same who deride others as snowflakes. I see the scumbag Kelvin MacKenzie is on his high horse already.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
This may be an scandal for the english media. The coach is entitled to speak about any issue. This isnt an issue for the Republic, thanked God the talk about life and politics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingdom
so they have the poppy and all that, and Ireland cant talk politics, this is a bit of double stardarization of sports and politics
If the english media pick up this story it can escalate because of double standard
If someone is disgusted by that , there is always a door. I read a lot about the abuse for playing for Ireland James McCarthy had , his parents and relatives in Scotland as McGeady hadQuote:
Originally Posted by backstothewall
**** Kelvin MacKenzie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin