Just a question, can VP be "head coach" if he hasnt all his badges. Just the wording of it for Uefa, etc.
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Just a question, can VP be "head coach" if he hasnt all his badges. Just the wording of it for Uefa, etc.
They'd hardly be that pedantic!? As long as there is a 'senior' coach/DoF with a pro licence I doubt the actual title matters, even manager would probably be allowed. 1st team coach is ambiguous enough if the powers that be are overly fussy. Not so long ago he could be also be head barman at a club for a few extra quid and never pull a pint...maybe the FAI did improve a few things after all!Quote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
Yeah Nesta I know, but I have a nice little bet on this and I would like to think the bookies are of the same opinion, but i doubt it!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
The first team manager/head coach has to have a pro licence so thats the job Gill will have to be given. Maybe its possible to appoint both of them as mangers though.
Whatever about the job titles allocated, it will be Vinny Perth who will be in charge of the team - it will be his job to manage/coach, with the assistance of others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Asterix
Dont hold back!! Share the wealth ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
It’s looking like Dundalk have met the conditions the FAI wanted in terms of getting the mgt team in place.
Perth will be announced before xmas, with Higgins as assistant mgr, and Gill coming in as coach.
What do Dundalk fans make of that ?Quote:
Originally Posted by oriel
Seems a bit of a limited approach for a club which the sort of ambition that Dundalk has IMO.
For me it's a no brainer(VP's ordination).The current squad seem to be behind his appointment(the fans also).Well worth a good punt imo.No point in unsettling a double winning squad by bringing in a marquee manger who hasn't a clue about the LOI.Quote:
Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
Who would you suggest your good self?
Mark Hughes or Steve Bruce. Definitely not Solskjaer, the players need someone they recognise.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToberonaTornado
Is Roddy Collins still out of work ?Quote:
Originally Posted by ToberonaTornado
Loving the jokes.Stan Staunton has to get an honourable mention also here and Jim Corr was another.Although we would consider his 3 sisters!!
It's a shame Sean Connor is doing so well in the GAA in Donegal otherwise you'd imagine Vinnie would be out of a job. Maybe it's the break he needs.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToberonaTornado
What's gills role in the club, apart from calming perth down when he loses his rag?
Before or after your kit manager :) starts?Quote:
Originally Posted by placid casual
I was thinking Jim Corr too, with Maxi as his assistant to keep the fans happy.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToberonaTornado
Maxi's star had waned since the Palestinian flag fine. A few good press interviews as the new assistant could restore his status though.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Major shock announcement today.
Vinny Perth unexpectedly announced as Dundalk manager in a huge bit of news. In even bigger news, John Gill has been confirmed alongside Ruaidhiri Higgins as his backroom team.
Delighted for gill.He was ridden by Mathews in 2008 after getting Dundalk promoted twice.Mind you,that wasn't the only riding matthews was doing back then :pQuote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
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Fudgtastic. Good old FAI. Derry must be ****ed!
Be interesting to see how Perth does. Obviously he's been a huge part of the success, and he's got the players sorted, so what the difference is will be a good insight into Kenny too.
Rip Van Winkle is probably the only other one relying on Vinny Perth's future performance to gain an insight into Stephen Kenny's abilitiesQuote:
Originally Posted by micls
Very odd appointments by Dundalk, IMO.
Yes Vinny Perth has been Kenny's understudy for many years and will have an intimate knowledge of how he managed the club, but Perth has no managerial experience. I would've thought the logical choice would've been to bring in a manager of a serious calibre (and Dundalk can well afford to do so) and have Perth heavily involved so the status quo remains largely the same and Dundalk continue to drive forward.
Perhaps the most bewildering aspect of the whole announcement is John Gill's inclusion. Obviously he has the PRO licence so that ticks the badges box, but it seems like such a marriage of convenience / lazy option and little else. I heard Gill described as a cancer in his stint as assistant manager at Drogheda United under Pete Mahon and lets be honest, he hasn't exactly gone on to uproot any trees since winning the First Division with Dundalk a long time ago.
With where Dundalk are now as a club, surely they could've done better than Perth, Gill and Higgins? It seems a bit beneath them and underwhelming.
Have you an example of any manager of “serious calibre” who would take the job? I don’t think there was anyone suitable in Ireland and any decent manager abroad would already been in a job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olander
In my opinion this is a good option to carry on the good things that have been happening in the pitch. While Gill wouldn’t be my first choice, it’s clear he is Perth’s choice to fulfill the pro licence criteria and Perth will be the boss no matter what way it’s dressed up.
Dundalk could've brought someone in from the UK, I have no doubt about that - it's a very appealing job with the backing the club currently has, Champions League football is secured and an excellent squad is already assembled, so the new manager wouldn't have to do major surgery.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yossarian
I would not have thought anybody in Ireland would've been seriously considered or approached by Dundalk. It seems like a really lazy "safe" appointment from the outside looking in.
A journeyman UK manager is a much bigger risk than Perth and Gill. I’m glad we haven’t gone down the road of a Brian Laws or John Coleman type of appointment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olander
I'm very happy with "safe" for now, as are almost all Dundalk fans that I've spoken to. While it's hardly the most exciting appointment, it does make a lot of sense with all of our squad for next year already signed up. I'm sure any prospective new manager would have wanted their own players which wouldn't have been possible with the squad already in place for the next 12 months. This makes the continuity angle with VP feel like the right move for me. If the whole squad was out of contract and a new man could come in and build his own squad then I'd agree more with bringing in someone with proven managerial experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olander
Bit of a joke that the FAI are ignoring their own rules. It's one thing doing it for an established manager who does not have the badges.. but for someone who has never done the job.. seems a bit mad.
Regina Coppinger raises a question of whether it will fly with UEFA: https://twitter.com/Regcoppinger/sta...11674688978944
https://twitter.com/Regcoppinger/sta...38287162028033
You're jumping to an assumption that Dundalk could only appoint a journeyman if they brought in a manager from the UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yossarian
Dundalk could've done their homework and brought in a serious manager from the UK that would drive them on. It doesn't necessarily have to be a 40-50 year old manager like Laws or Coleman.
Instead they've gone with the insular route and promoted their scout to assistant manager, appointed a guy as first team coach who has largely failed in his roles as assistant manager at St Pats, Rovers and Drogheda. Now the assistant has been made manager and Dundalk are hoping that by not rocking the boat that Perth will be able to carry on from where Kenny left off because last seasons squad remains largely intact. It seems like the "safe" option, but I wouldn't be so sure that Perth is the man to lead Dundalk forward.
Log on to Oriel Web, I wouldn't say almost all Dundalk fans are happy with the appointments. Many seem to think the club could've got someone better and don't see the point of Gill returning.Quote:
Originally Posted by holidaysong
Who the hell is she?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
She did licencing for the FAI for about 10 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by White Horse
the last licensing manager at the fai.
Surprised at the strong tone
While some may have wished for some unnamed serious calibre manager from abroad, the majority of Dundalk fans are behind the concept of continuity and the most obvious way to achieve this is by entrusting Vinny Perth with the job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olander
It remains to be seen exactly what role John Gill assumes (irrespective of the titles) but clearly Vinny Perth had a significant part in his appointment and agreeing the role.
Any appointment has an element of risk, but while this appointment is probably under-whelming as a news story and to many supporters, it is also likely to be the least risk option for Dundalk in the short term.
Dude.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Olander
Ha, she's braveQuote:
Originally Posted by Olander
That was the one move I was hoping they would not go for, a guy from the uk with no experience of Irish Football.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olander
This will be a challenging role for Perth, supported by Higgins and Gill, but it's the safer option in the medium term.
Nice to see dundalk not following in Limerick's foot steps, we like our foreign useless yet expensive managers, anything limerick fc do obviously just do the opposite... easy 😎Quote:
Originally Posted by oriel
Will be interesting to see how it all works out. Continuity vs Experience. They'll win the League in my opinion but Europe is the benchmark in 2019.
Dundalk won the league easily last year, they've offloaded Connolly (,I doubt there is a fee but it doesn't matter) and replaced him with Kelly.
Manager spanager , dundalk start deserved odds on favs
True, we can let him go for free then throw kitchen sinks at him to sign him back again as is our lauded transfer policy!Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa