This would be a great move. I watched a lot of Luton last season, and Ogbene is one of the fastest players I've ever seen.
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This would be a great move. I watched a lot of Luton last season, and Ogbene is one of the fastest players I've ever seen.
And for that reason alone I'd have him as a starter for Ireland all the time, and ideally not as some auxillary defender or wing back. His speed is devastating and while his decision making can be frustrating he's one of only a few players we have who top class opponents won't like playing against.
Agreed. He brings a vitality to the team that we need. His speed is indeed devastating but he is also strong, can hold the ball up well, win set pieces and has an eye for goal. His performance against France in Dublin was exceptional.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Wouldn't be surprised if we stick with 3-4-3. Your three CBs and two 6s playing in front of the back three with Chiezdozie on the right and god knows who on the left.
There are a lot of good reasons why a formation with 3 at the back almost has to be our default. I've been saying that for a while. Of the usual crop (assuming there are no surprise call ups), probably O'Dowda for now is our best option on the left?Quote:
Originally Posted by JR89
How would you structure that front 3 with two sitters? I'd probably look at tucking two in behind the front man. 3-4-2-1 - - wing backs would need to be up and down all night though. Would be tough.
It certainly maximises our ability to get as many of our best defenders on the pitch, playing in their natural positions, as possible. On the other hand, 4-5-1 maybe squeezes more out of the attack: I'd rather Ogbene and Johnston either side of a lone striker than try to generate width using, say, Brady and Doherty. It also gives us more bodies in central midfield, where we aren't great. Your solution, with essentially 2+2 in central and attacking mid is also interesting, though I think it asks a lot of our wingbacks.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
I'd written off Brady as crocked, but he played quite a lot of football last year and did well for us in the summer. He's not especially old either. Left back or wingback is going to be somewhere to explore anyway as every candidate has downsides.Quote:
Of the usual crop (assuming there are no surprise call ups), probably O'Dowda for now is our best option on the left?
He's very fast, committed and has the heart of a lion
But my God his decision making skills are awful.
The issue with trying to get 3 center backs on the field is we've discovered that the wide options aren't good enough to accommodate it, and until we have a really good left sided defensive player I kind of feel like we're on a hiding to nothing with that one, you need an incredible engine for it. A 4-5-1 4-4-1-1 or 4-3-3 depending on the situation might suit better, and just keep the fullbacks at home, or let Doherty roam if he's playing and have the defense shift in to a 3 then in those specific situations. That's where I think O' Shea/Scales could be the better option on the left until someone else comes along.
I'm not sure the right wing/back hand side is really in much better shape as Doc and Coleman both age, Alan Browne had that one good game, Ogbene might be wasted there although could also be excellent. Festy needs to play football. I think our Fullback/wing back options aren't great so maybe they need to play deeper and tighter to the centre backs to get caught out of position. Play a lot of midfielders to compensate for nt having any standouts, we do at least have a few options for high energy, Moloumby/Knight, with Smallbone/Cullen being a bit better on the ball. Play Schmodics behind Idah
Everyone would have their own opinion on which options would be best from the ones below, and obviously discount the injuries in the short term, but something like:
Kelleher/O' Leary/Bazunu/Travers
Coleman/Doc -- Collins -- O' Shea/Scales/O' Brien/Omobamedele -- Scales/O' Shea
Cullen/Smallbone/Browne -- Knight/Moloumby
Schmodics/Parrott/Mcgrath/Browne
Festy/O' Dowda/Ogbene -- Idah/Parrott/Ferguson/Robinson -- McGrath/Knight/Johnston/O' Dowda/Robinson
I've left tons of players out because this post has already gotten out of hand and I probably should have just picked my preferred 11, but here we are :D
I could see times when we make a box in midfield, if McGrath/ knight were on the left wing, and someone like Browne behind a striker, leaving Ogbene and a front man up top to cause problems when under pressure and playing England, I just think we will die if we leave the flanks that exposed with a 3-4-3
Yeah - it really does and you look at the list of candidates and it just doesnt inspire. Doherty can probably still just about do it and Ogbene can, in theory at least, but neither option truly solves the problem on the left (Brady, Stevens, McClean, Manning) if you dont rate O'Dowda (and he is iffy at best at the end of the day). Has anyone seen much of Dennis Cirkin? He doesnt seem to really want to play for us but is he any good? I havent seen much of him at all to give an assessment. He fits the profile overall.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
On the 2+2 in the middle, yeah, I've been trying to find a way to make it work for a while. I think it is definitely worth a look if you can solve the problems out wide and still want 3 at the back. It would be interesting to have Azaz as one of those (quick, strong, technically proficient - so can do a job facing both directions and press well) and maybe Parrott or Sammie (who can press and support well in transitions to attack). Ferguson up top. It fails quickly if you dont have proper wing backs though.
Cirkin likely won't make a decision on his international future for another year until he's overage for the U21s. Even then could turn around and say he'd rather wait for one England cap rather than play for us or Latvia.
If I was HH and given our issues I'd be hitting him up for a chat and making him an offer to be our starting LB or LWB.
He's had his issues with injuries the last couple of seasons but fans have been full of praise for him so far this season.
Wasn't that what was reported / mentioned as being his terms when Stephen Kenny met him ?Quote:
Originally Posted by JR89
People are talking about this guy as though it's simply a matter of talking to him and as though this hasn't already been done. Kenny met this player & that wasn't any secret.
Do we agree with a player saying he has to start in order to play for us ? I'd be inclined to give a two word answer to that, the second word is, off.
Thought that was Jack McGylnn. Kenny and Crawford spoke with him and said he'd be open to joining but would have to be for the seniors.Quote:
Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
https://www.balls.ie/football/stephe...-cirkin-557385Quote:
Originally Posted by StevieK
& I read somewhere else around this time that yer man said he'd have to be a starter when they met, or a pundit said it, or something like that.
Anyway, the player has been met, invited, the door held open, the offer made, had his balls tongued, etc and he'll switch if & when it suits him whatever HH does or doesn't do.
Absolutely agree. Every time I hear his name I think of the game where he got sent off against our under 17s and I find it hard to imagine him in greenQuote:
Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
Is that Paul nebel of mainz still eligible or a target?
he's 22 in October, so if he is still eligible, and is interested, they'll have to act fastQuote:
Originally Posted by liamoo11
Can you clarify this Tets? What would stop him from joining us at age 22, 23, etc?Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Nebel played 10 minutes in an Under 21 qualifier for Germany back in March. This was after his 21st birthday. I believe he's a granny ruler, so that would mean he's now ineligible unless he had gotten his Irish citizenship sorted years ago before his first competitive appearance for Germany at Under 17 level (unlikely).
Edit - in fact he seems to have told the Mainz website in 2021 that he "doesn't have an Irish passport yet", so that means he's ineligible now.
Move confirmed. £8m and given a reported 4- year deal.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/a...s/cdjwn348l72o
Ipswich getting promoted has been a godsend for Irish players this year. Seems the Welsh lad Burns getting injured led to this signing coming about which is a nice piece of luck for Ogbene. Can actually put together a decent looking team of Irish Premier League players for once.
Kelleher
Doherty Collins O'Brien O'Shea
Smallbone Taylor
Ogbene Szmodics McAteer
Ferguson
In fact, swap in Molumby or Knight for Taylor and that wouldn't be a bad starting team for the upcoming games.
It might be a litle lightweight in the middle for England, but yeah, it's heartening to see more of the squad in the Premiership now.
He's one of my favouirite players... even with the sometimes poor decision making. He is an amazing athlete and when you operate as fast and dynamically as he does it makes decision-making a bit more difficult.. every milisecond counts. Despite that, as was said above he is one of just a few players we have that the opposition won't like playing against... one of the few that will have the opposition on the back foot (mentally and physically). He is an agent of chaos... in a good way, most of the time.
I love this lad. I don't know why I find this statement so lovely:
“I’ve had very positive chats with the manager [Kieran McKenna] and for someone to believe in me, that I could play at this level again, means a lot to me and my family."
The humility is refreshing.
Good summary. He's limited but you know he's put in a huge amount of effort to get where he is, and really appreciates what he's done. But like McClean in that regard. If we had a couple more like him we'd be in a better place for sureQuote:
Originally Posted by texidub
Starts tonight alongside O'Shea.
Started today and was playing well but went off on a stretcher. Left leg was in a brace and looked pretty bad. Hopefully was precautionary
Didn't look good, Brady also gone off injured in his game.
Season ender for Ogbene apparently.
Taylor also going to be out for a while.
6 months takes you up to late April, then factor in the time to get up to match fitness and that's his club season effectively over. Not beyond possibility that he could play for Ireland in the games next June I suppose.
Awful injury. Best of luck in his rehabQuote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
And a particularly bad one for a player who relies on his pace. If he is unfortunate enough not to regain his speed then this injury could turn out to be a career defining moment. I feel sorry for him as he seems like a decent bloke and has worked very hard to get to where he is today.Quote:
Originally Posted by liamoo11
A late developer like Chiedozie will be worse affected also, feels like he's a relative newcomer to top level football, but he'll be 28 (and his team may well be back in the Championship) by the time he's back to full fitness.
Left out of the 20 man squad for today's home game v Derby County. Not encouraging, just a week away from the international v Hungary.
I saw that and was wondering if there's a deal on the table we're not aware of. Seems very odd that he didn't make the bench.
Taylor won the penalty that allowed for the equaliser if that's any consolation for us
Sounds like they're looking to loan him out, doesn't appear that he's fully match fit after the injury.
https://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/2542897...-window-close/
Also a question as to whether he should be in the Ireland squad if he's not fully match fit. He's keeping Ebosele, Vata and Sykes out, so possibly he should be stood down and one of those three come in?
Kinda gives a litre bit of credence to Festy having a meltdown, not that it justifies it
Leicester, Wrexham and Sheffield United are apparently all interested in loaning Ogbene today. Leicester would effectively just see him swapping clubs with McAteer.
A season at Sheffield United for Chiedozie.