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Stephen Kenny's odds have shortened with most bookies, he's gone to joint favourite with Mick on Paddy Power, so the public money is on SK. Interestingly, or maybe worryingly, Sven Goran-Eriksson has gone from 66/1 outsider to 3rd favourite at 6/1 with PP! He would bring sexy back, but maybe not sexy football...
Presumably the budget for a new manager will be much smaller now O'Brien's money is gone. That won't help the search.
That said, Delaney's ego might allow a splurge to get us the best chance of qualifying for the Euros we're hosting.
It's a blessing in disguise, if you ask me.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Exactly, wont be able to appoint quick fix's that will end in failure.Quote:
Originally Posted by brine3
Well, we'd be able to appoint lower-calibre quick fixes. :)
Obviously a lot of this is moot while the real issue remains our chronic lack of players and appalling underinvestment in the domestic game, contrary to pretty much every other country in Europe.
Van Marwijk is an interesting candidate. Success at Feyenoord for a massive club that struggled with Ajax's success and the relatively new success of PSV. Struggled at Dortmund, success again at Feyenoord.Quote:
Originally Posted by IsMiseSean
Qualified success with Holland, as in reaching the World Cup final is amazing, but hated by pretty much the majority of fans for how it was achieved.
he's available.
A quick fix could be exactly what Delaney seeks though. The priority, for him, will probably not be long-term strategic planning, but somebody that gives us the best chance of reaching the Euros that we will partially host. In fairness, it would be terrible not to be a part of that, really depressing actually. Is it possible that the best short-term and long-term solution is the same guy?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cathalsmart
in case it wasn't clear from my post, a quick fix is what we need right now. We cannot afford to not qualify for Euro 2020.
Couple more names who are now available
Peter Stöger
Ralph Hasenhüttl (someone else also mentioned him)
Slavisla Jokanovic
Leonardo Jardim
Julen Lopetegui
Arsene Wenger
Maybe wait until 2019 to appoint him. Everything he touched in 2018 turned to sh!t.Quote:
Originally Posted by backstothewall
Whoever can bring Declan Rice back. It's as simple as that. We won 1 game this year. Rice was motm in that.
..against the USA U21 team :)
This is really, really stretching it, and definitely in tin-foil hat territory, but UEFA will be bricking it if they've a few venues where the host nation hasn't qualified. They are in safe ground with Spain England etc. but with Baku, Dublin, Budapest and Bucharest, they definitely are not safe. The draw could be kind to us, and it could be even kinder when it's mentioned that more than 2 hosts cannot be paired together. With 5 of those hosts being in the Tier 1 group of seeds, being a host should be of benefit to us in the draw.
I like conspiracy theories, so I'm floating the idea that we'll get a handy draw. JD obviously knows this, so he'll throw his lot in on short-term gain to qualify.
He'll go with Allardyce with a nice salary and a mega bonus to qualify.
We then draw Switzerland, Iceland, Lithuania and Luxembourg, being a 5 team group on account of Switzerland being in the NL playoffs.
No reason a quick fix for the first team can't be accompanied with structural reform and a plan for the future around that. Especially with the U21 job also vacant.
The U21 job manager should be an opportunity for someone to learn about management, the demands of international management and the structure of the FAI, with a view to being next in line the next time the big job comes up. It should go to someone intelligent, charismatic and who will instantly have the respect of fans and players alike.
That job should be offered to Damian Duff. And it should be understood that he gets the senior job next time (assuming it doesn't come up again inside 2 years)
Is anyone able to speak with any knowledge about what Ruud Dokter has done or if appointing him has been worthwhile?
I’m open-minded on who it might be, and closed to tired, old-fashioned, serial short-term merchants like Redknapp, Allardyce, Bruce – all of whom we’d be worried about losing to a decent club from day one. Also, anybody out of the game for more than a few seasons won't do, so no O’Leary, Aldridge types. I like Kenny, but I think he’s more valuable to Irish football from within the league than outside.
I’d like whoever it is to be
- A modern tactician, able to blend style with our traditional pressing game
- A motivator
- Able to develop young players – we’ve a lot of prospects who could be the nucleus of a team till 2030+
- Someone who doesn’t bull5hit about not having top Premiership players. I count 14 Premiership first-teamers (i.e. squad of 25), excluding Rice, Obafemi, Pilkington, Brian Murphy, and youngsters with a few appearances or on loan; Championship players who have played in the Premiership – Randolph, Meyers, McClean etc; and some who might declare, e.g. Bamford, Keane. We have the makings of a squad from one of the top four leagues in Europe. If you play in it, you’re good. A lot of managers would love to have a squad that talented.
- Somebody who sees the League of Ireland as a necessary branch of the national team. At any given time we have about 40 players for national team consideration who are fit, playing and in form: 4 LoI players increases that pool by 10%, 8 by 20%. Find the best, and cap them – even if only in friendlies.
Now, how hard can that be?
No chance it is going to be Stephen Kenny especially with Euro qualification being essential where we will be one of the hosts. It is definitely going to be someone with International experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArFella
Sorry, while I agree in principle with what you are saying about succession planning, this does not compute.Quote:
Originally Posted by backstothewall
I'd like to see us have the new senior international management team regularly taking a squad for something like B international match but using only domestic based players against countries with leagues of a similar standard (Hungary, Finland, Bosnia etc).Quote:
Originally Posted by Eminence Grise
It would be quite straight forward to organise as they wouldn't need to be played on FIFA international dates. Great platform for the players involved and a good means of letting the national team coaches get an idea of the strengths and weaknesses of League of Ireland players.
Louis van Gaal ticks those boxes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eminence Grise
I'd say his knowledge of Finn Harps v Drogheda is pretty rudimentary! And he doesn't strike me as the kind of chap who'd gladly spend his evenings on the highways and by-ways when he could have his feet up in a villa somewhere.
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The tabloids would have a field day - Louis van Gael! van Gael-goer!
For that reason alone I'm wavering...;)
I like Kenny too much for him to take this job, for the chalice may be poisoned. Also the league would lose out and the league's finest ever team would surely lose some momentum.
Do you prefer Kenny, the LOI or your country? because I believe our national team comes first not Stephen Kenny's feelings or his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
but I do agree over all, I wouldn't want him as Irish Manager either.
We have time on our side , we should step back for a bit and not rush an appointment.
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Originally Posted by Olé Olé
Kenny was 6/5 went I just looked elsewhere 8/11, McCarty 2-1 and 5/2 now. other sites may have different prices.
Allardyce much the same, 10-1
But early days yet some may not want even the job.
People wonder if Kenny can step up to international level. What does that even mean? O'Neill and Trap moaned all the time about not having quality players. Perhaps they shouldn't have gotten into international management themselves.
Kenny well able to work with with this level of players.
Sven is not even in the running on Ladbrokes and will hill, which is interesting in it self perhaps?Quote:
Originally Posted by ArFella
I do not understand this clamour for Stephen Kenny. Pat Fenlon for instance has a very similar record to him and I do not hear anyone clamouring for him. So what is so special about Kenny?Quote:
Originally Posted by brine3
Nothing, he's a mediocre manager and shouldn't be given the job. There is nothing to see here Mr. Delaney...Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapAPony
Not really. I am far from short sighted and I did make the point that Michael O'Neill did it. I have seen LoI managers do the job and not succeed (e.g. Rasher T and Brian Kerr). I said international football is a big step up from managing Dundalk and it is. Would he command the respect of the players playing in the EPL ? Possibly. Possibly not but it's not short sighted to suggest that it might not work. Are LoI managers so sacrosanct that we dare not suggest, like any other manager, that they might possibly not succeed ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cathalsmart
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Originally Posted by TrapAPony
Football fans are no different to people in general, whoever is winning currently is the Public choice.
Fenlon may have won a lot but not recently.
If kenny doesnt win anything for a few years whoever is winning at that point will be the Public choice for the job if it is vacant again.
Fenlon was a chequebook manager in my opinion. Kenny achieved more than Fenlon with less money (originally), which to my mind means he must be better in areas more relevant to international management (e.g. motivation, tactics, etc)Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapAPony
Can't wave the chequebook at international level.
Sven's agent knows how easy it is to move these markets with very little money so he's stuck €500 on him because it's a cheap way to get him mentioned in the papers and remind the world that he's still alive.Quote:
Originally Posted by tricky_colour
Leaning towards Mick McCarthy as we need a quick fix, he knows the setup and is available. Short-term contract, extension qualification dependent perhaps?
The U21 position should be the one with a longer-term perspective at this time. Ideally an ambitious ex-player looking to earn his dues and eventually progress to the senior job. Think that's what the U21 job should be - a stepping stone for the senior job.
McCarthy is another dinosaur. Try something new. Big Sam and his long ball? No thanks.
I’m not bothered if these so called PL/Championship stars won’t respect a LOI manager. It’s not as if they are pulling up trees themselves. Last few performances have been gutless.
We want a coach not a man motivator. I’m intrigued to see if a coach can turn these plodders into contenders.
Did you see the football played by both comparable teams? Also, no offence to Pat, I liked him, but he collected a savage group of the best players in the league at both his successful Shels and then Bohs teams. Not quite like for like with Kenny.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapAPony
I saw a tweet earlier today saying from U15-U19 the number of Irish resident kids has increased markedly in recent seasons. He was interviewed on a recent Greatest League in the World podcast,. Really worth a listen so you can make your own mind up. Results have been good among the underage squads too. From the podcast I felt he was either very good or a very good spoofer. I actually think it's the former. There are many problems at the FAI, but Ruud Dokter isn't one of them in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by backstothewall
I'm not convinced by Duff yet but someone from that era should be doing the U21s and be groomed for the senior job, definitely.
I think the Europa League run and the manner of it made a big impression.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapAPony
Unfortuantely, those leagues are not of a similar standard to ours, they're superior.Quote:
Originally Posted by backstothewall
But I agree with the premise of your point. Every January, Sweden and Finland take part in an island tournament or a pacific tournament for domestic players as far as I know. Such a project should be considered.
Think Mick or Allardyce will get it because of the Euros being in Dublin and the FAI wont want to take a chance on someone who isnt experienced. Think Id actually be ok with either in the short term, and I cant believe I am even saying that. I have really disliked both over the years but they do get results.
My choice would probably be Neil Lennon or Brendan Rogers.
I personally don't think there is any chance of Kenny getting the job (don't care about the bookies) especially due to the fact that we have to qualify for Euro 2020 in Delaney's eyes. I can definitely see the FAI going for a manager with international experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
So, who do you want TAP?Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapAPony
Actually, a poll might be intersting, Tets? People's preferred choice. Maybe use Walsall's list and whoever else has been mentioned by now?