Wales v. Republic of Ireland - Monday, 9th October 2017 - World Cup 2018 Qualifier

Win or Bust tonight and well we didn't bust. The asthetics are irrelevant. A massive boost. As long as we avoid Italy we have a punchers chance against the others. Croatia were good tonight but dropped the ball a bit over the last few months, lost to Turkey only beat Kosovo 1-0 and were held at home by Finland. Swiss had a pi$$ easy group - Latvia / Andorra / Faroes so hard to know how good they are and we know all about Sweden who might have improved since the euros.

No one will fancy playing us. You have to beat us physically before your superior technique comes into it and it's starting to become an issue for teams. We have a string of impressive results which can't be dismissed as luck any longer.

Wrote us off this afternoon, thought we had too many injuries. You'd be a fool to write this team off under MON any longer.

COYBIG

Nine of our twelve goals in qualifying came from players who came through the League of Ireland.

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Originally Posted by mark12345

Look, I don't diagree with your sentiment about not being able to find hapiness on a night like tonight. You are 100 per cent correct, I should be happier than I am.
I am in fact happy for the lads. Great night and great memory. It's just that we seem to come across these results by chance rather than design. The lack of attacking ideas is a big concern.
I am, I suppose, thinking ahead to the playoffis when we meet the likes of Italy or Croatia. But for the moment we (I) should it enjoy the party.
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I'm sorry, but this isn't chance. It's possible to fluke one or 2 wins but we've now had wins against Germany, Italy, Austria (away), Wales (away), drew in Belgrade, won a playoff against Bosnia over 2 legs and gave France a hell of a fright in the Euros. These are all teams with better players than us on paper but esprit de corps counts for a lot in international football and that is what have in spades.

I enjoy a crisp passing move as much as the next man, but it's only one way to win a game of football. There are other ways and it's legitimate to pursue them if the manager feels it's the most likely approach to deliver success with the players available to him.

The harsh reality is that the group of players we have aren't going to win the World Cup, but O'Neills tactics have achieved as much as could have realistically been hoped for over 2 campaigns now. There have been ups and downs for sure but could we have achieved more with a different tactical approach? I'd suggest we probably couldn't have done much better, but we might have done an awful lot worse. Wes Hoolahan is a fine player, but it's not like he is someone like David Silva or Philippe Coutinho who can have a team built around him. He's a 35 year old who is usually on the bench for Norwich. The 2 guys who played in midfield tonight are starting regularly in the Premier League so clearly it isn't just Martin O'Neill who rates them highly.

If we draw Italy or Croatia it's probably going to be tough but if we get Denmark, Sweden or Switzerland we can do our thing and see what happens.

Feel sorry for Wales, thought Chris Coleman was gracious in defeat. Outstanding performance tonight, not pretty but job done.
A bit off topic I know and I shouldn't have done so but couldn't resist going on to the Jocks "pie and Bovril" page. **** but their bitterness is off the charts. If I could bottle their bile I'd have the most corrosive substance known to man. Anyway our away record in recent years is something to be proud of.

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Originally Posted by backstothewall

If we draw Italy or Croatia it's probably going to be tough but if we get Denmark, Sweden or Switzerland we can do our thing and see what happens.

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A 0-0 and a 1-1 will do the job nicely. :cool:

A perfect 10/10 for O'Neill, unprecedented for us to win such a crunch game against better seeded and hyped up to the gills opponents on their own turf. O'Neill had that team perfectly prepared for the 90 minutes of what could be described as a duel, not a football game as such.
Not a game for Wes. After the last game, Wales needed to be kicked and shouldered about with some verve.
Coleman was moaning about that we only had one chance and scored, afaics they only had one chance and Randolph saved it with panache. This game was about winning and what it takes to win such a game.

I though we did a pretty good job, particularly defensively, which is the bedrock of any team, I feel quite positive, a good team performance.
We dealt with everything Wales threw at us quite comfortably.

Wales have not lost in a competitive match at home since 2013 ie in 4 years!

Still BUZZING.

I wouldn’t want to play Croatia but the away trip with their fans would be brilliant. They were a great laugh in Paris last year.

Sweden would be the most winnable out of the 4 but still a tough ask.

Then again you cannot write us off anybody and the 4 seeded teams definitely won’t want to be paired with us. We are a horrible team to have to play against.

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Originally Posted by mark12345

Maybe against Denmark, not against the free scoring Swedes or Swiss.
I also feel Wales would have stood a better chance of qualifying.
Our 'invite them on us and bar the door for 90 minutes' approach has had its nine lives.

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Regarding the Swiss, i think theyd be the best team to get, good at crosses and can string the ball around, but rely to much on shaqiri, and dont like it up them...........very brittle team. But arent they our bogey team?

Swedan will be unseeded like us! ... Its Italy, Portugal (they wont win tonight), Croatia or Denmark! ..... Take your pick. I would want Denamrk!

******** it’s Denmark not Sweden. Still prefer Danes out of the rest. Fingers crossed.

Denmark or Switzerland (we owe them one). I believe there are lots of holes in the Swiss defence (sorry).

Great job by O’Neill last night. I must say, he has some team spirit going with this group.
Look at the lads celebrating last night. McGeady and Hoolahan in the thick of the celebrations. Everybody is onboard with this team and there doesn’t seem to be any grumbling from fringe players.
Having Coleman, Walters and Long there at the game speaks volumes too. They’re very much part of the group, injured or not.

Dunphy made a good point about Long’s embrace of Maguire when he replaced him during Moldova game. There is no ego in this team it seems

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Originally Posted by Fixer82

Denmark or Switzerland (we owe them one). I believe there are lots of holes in the Swiss defence (sorry).

Great job by O’Neill last night. I must say, he has some team spirit going with this group.
Look at the lads celebrating last night. McGeady and Hoolahan in the thick of the celebrations. Everybody is onboard with this team and there doesn’t seem to be any grumbling from fringe players.
Having Coleman, Walters and Long there at the game speaks volumes too. They’re very much part of the group, injured or not.

Dunphy made a good point about Long’s embrace of Maguire when he replaced him during Moldova game. There is no ego in this team it seems

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I know wales spirit is usually good also but I thought it was telling that 3 of our injured players (long, coleman and walters) were sitting just behind the bench last night while bale was looking down from the corporate boxes like Caesar. walters and coleman also sat behind the bench last friday

My girlfriend remarked on just the same as we were watching. Beyond any of his (many) faults as a team selector and a tactician, O'Neill, and Keane I'd imagine, do well in terms of general morale/cohesion. You'd imagine if, Coleman say, said he was going to watch from the stands Keane would have a bollicking ready.

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Originally Posted by jbyrne

I know wales spirit is usually good also but I thought it was telling that 3 of our injured players (long, coleman and walters) were sitting just behind the bench last night while bale was looking down from the corporate boxes like Caesar. walters and coleman also sat behind the bench last friday

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Agree. They're a part of it and are made feel a part of it. It's a family atmosphere. Whoever is not playing is shouting on their team-mates. O'Neill deserves big credit for that.

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Originally Posted by Fixer82

Dunphy made a good point about Long’s embrace of Maguire when he replaced him during Moldova game. There is no ego in this team it seems

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He also said Maguire was from Cork!

I tried to find the brief discussion after the win in Austria on whether or not Ireland had ever beaten two higher seeded opponents in a qualifying series.
I'm pretty sure we haven't.....until now!

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

He also said Maguire was from Cork!

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Probably lucky that he knew Maguire was playing for Ireland .

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Originally Posted by Fixer82

Denmark or Switzerland (we owe them one). I believe there are lots of holes in the Swiss defence (sorry).

Great job by O’Neill last night. I must say, he has some team spirit going with this group.
Look at the lads celebrating last night. McGeady and Hoolahan in the thick of the celebrations. Everybody is onboard with this team and there doesn’t seem to be any grumbling from fringe players.
Having Coleman, Walters and Long there at the game speaks volumes too. They’re very much part of the group, injured or not.

Dunphy made a good point about Long’s embrace of Maguire when he replaced him during Moldova game. There is no ego in this team it seems

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Where was McCarthy last night? ..Didn't see him there?

George Hamilton said that Wales needed to win after Croatia went ahead in Ukraine. Is that correct (he gets so many things wrong)? If Wales had drawn, they would have had 18 points (like Slovakia), but Wales GD was better. Anyone know?

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Originally Posted by swinfordfc

Where was McCarthy last night? ..Didn't see him there?

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McCarthy returned to his club along with Hayes and someone else who's name escapes me.

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Originally Posted by backstothewall

Have you considered that if you can't find happiness tonight, then maybe this whole football thing isn't for you? There are all sorts of other sports and activities out there. Why not have a go at your local Archery Club or a try your hand at a Bridge society? Or even a bit of gardening or something!

Perhaps with your quest for ideological purity you would fit in with one of the revolutionary socialist political parties.

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He's auditioning for the vacant role of TOWK.

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Originally Posted by Straightstory

George Hamilton said that Wales needed to win after Croatia went ahead in Ukraine. Is that correct (he gets so many things wrong)? If Wales had drawn, they would have had 18 points (like Slovakia), but Wales GD was better. Anyone know?

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Wales' GD wouldn't have been better than Slovakia's.

Very proud of the team, great performance last night. It wasn't pretty, but it was never going to be. We defended brilliantly - Clark and Duffy have formed a great partnership. Ward and Christie also did their jobs very well. Randolph was fantastic. If we defend that well as a unit, we will be tough for any team.

For playoffs, I think a fear of Switzerland is misguided. They got a very easy group apart from Portugal, with the other teams being Hungary, Faroe Islands, Latvia and Andorra. Their winning streak in that group is a bit misleading.

We will need to work on keeping possession at home for the playoffs though - we have struggled this year at home against decent opposition. I am not sure what can be done in this period of time, but perhaps being away for the first tie would be good for us.

Sweden, Denmark and Switzerland are all good draws considering - none will be easy and we will be the underdogs. Last night showed that tag really does suit us just fine.

Have we all heard Kilbane's reaction to the goal on Newstalk last night: https://twitter.com/offtheball/statu...780864/video/1

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Originally Posted by bennocelt

Regarding the Swiss, i think theyd be the best team to get, good at crosses and can string the ball around, but rely to much on shaqiri, and dont like it up them...........very brittle team. But arent they our bogey team?

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We beat them with little trouble last time out in that Rising friendly last year.

Did anyone else spot Dublin Gaelic footballer Bernard Brogan (far-left) in the crowd-shot just as the anthem was finishing?

http://i65.tinypic.com/scz91x.png

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Originally Posted by swinfordfc

Where was McCarthy last night? ..Didn't see him there?

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The FAI tweeted on Sunday that McCarthy, McGoldrick and Hayes had returned to their clubs.

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Originally Posted by backstothewall

I'm sorry, but this isn't chance. It's possible to fluke one or 2 wins but we've now had wins against Germany, Italy, Austria (away), Wales (away), drew in Belgrade, won a playoff against Bosnia over 2 legs and gave France a hell of a fright in the Euros. These are all teams with better players than us on paper but esprit de corps counts for a lot in international football and that is what have in spades.

I enjoy a crisp passing move as much as the next man, but it's only one way to win a game of football. There are other ways and it's legitimate to pursue them if the manager feels it's the most likely approach to deliver success with the players available to him.

The harsh reality is that the group of players we have aren't going to win the World Cup, but O'Neills tactics have achieved as much as could have realistically been hoped for over 2 campaigns now. There have been ups and downs for sure but could we have achieved more with a different tactical approach? I'd suggest we probably couldn't have done much better, but we might have done an awful lot worse. Wes Hoolahan is a fine player, but it's not like he is someone like David Silva or Philippe Coutinho who can have a team built around him. He's a 35 year old who is usually on the bench for Norwich. The 2 guys who played in midfield tonight are starting regularly in the Premier League so clearly it isn't just Martin O'Neill who rates them highly.

If we draw Italy or Croatia it's probably going to be tough but if we get Denmark, Sweden or Switzerland we can do our thing and see what happens.

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All good points.....but. We, you and I included, expected to see some cameo from Hoolahan last night. We didn't and it turned out fine. It worked out. I'm delighted it turned out that way. But now all of a sudden Meyler and Hendrick are better than Wes? They were brilliant last night both of them so let's give credit where it is due. But it could have been made easier with Hoolahan at some point after half time and a badly tiring Murphy taken off long before the final whistle. Players were brilliant in their effort, That said, it's not the time or place for this discussion. Maybe after playoffs.

Jaysis give it a rest with the Wes/passing/possession stuff. As others have said there is more than one way to win a game of football. And none necessarily 'right' or 'wrong'. JByrne highlighted to you how a 'possession ' game ended up for Wales in the 57th minute. It's safe to say MON knows a hell of a lot more about football than you or any of us on here. It's a lot more nuanced than 'pass the ball'. To not give him a shred of credit after last night is petty in the extreme.

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Originally Posted by Bottle of Tonic

Jaysis give it a rest with the Wes/passing/possession stuff. As others have said there is more than one way to win a game of football. And none necessarily 'right' or 'wrong'. JByrne highlighted to you how a 'possession ' game ended up for Wales in the 57th minute. It's safe to say MON knows a hell of a lot more about football than you or any of us on here. It's a lot more nuanced than 'pass the ball'. To not give him a shred of credit after last night is petty in the extreme.

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yes, great defending is also great football. where does it say that great football must involve lovely passing and possession?

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Originally Posted by Bottle of Tonic

Jaysis give it a rest with the Wes/passing/possession stuff. As others have said there is more than one way to win a game of football. And none necessarily 'right' or 'wrong'. JByrne highlighted to you how a 'possession ' game ended up for Wales in the 57th minute. It's safe to say MON knows a hell of a lot more about football than you or any of us on here. It's a lot more nuanced than 'pass the ball'. To not give him a shred of credit after last night is petty in the extreme.

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Martin O'Neill does know an awful lot more about football than me or anyone else on here. That is 100 per cent true. And what's also true is that I told anyone who would listen, back when Martin was at Celtic, that he was the best manager in the British Isles. Better than Ferguson at United, Houllier at Liverpool etc. He was the best back then and also when he was at Leicester because he achieved so much with so little over his career in club management (beating the likes of Juventus, Liverpool and Barcelona and making the Uefa Cup Final with Celtic are achievements which no one can take away from him - simply superb). I am not a Martin O'Neill hater. He achieved a similarly successful result last night and all the credit to him. What he also should receive credit for is developing a defence which is becoming very very hard to score against. So let's put it all out on the table. But in saying that I feel he could have eased the pressure on his defence last night by making one or two changes at half time - my opinion, and that's all it is.

I didn't view the game live but had the SC4 version on recording set up. I had told most everybody that I was going home later to watch a recording of the Irl Wales game and just in case - don't even hint at what's happening there.
Just as I was about to leave, somebody else came along and exclaimed that Ireland have beaten Wales, congratulations. I was really píssed, 'what did you tell me that for? I haven't seen the game yet'. For 2 seconds I was annoyed at him but then felt quite pleased about it, a compromise was reached - 'okay then that's alright, just don't tell me the score'.

FIFA investigating an alleged headbutt by Robbie Brady on Ashley Williams in the 61st minute, in danger of missing the 1st playoff game at least.
http://www.skysports.com/football/ne...y-robbie-brady

They showed that on the Sky Sports coverage alright last night, but not on RTÉ. Even Craig Bellamy was saying it's a joke if some overpaid fella in Switzerland tries to justify his salary by investigating it.

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Originally Posted by mark12345

Martin O'Neill does know an awful lot more about football than me or anyone else on here. That is 100 per cent true. And what's also true is that I told anyone who would listen, back when Martin was at Celtic, that he was the best manager in the British Isles.

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Enough of the British Isles talk. You’ve been listening to Chris Coleman too much.
Stick it in the drawer with Dunphy’s Londonderry comment last night

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Originally Posted by joe_denilson

FIFA investigating an alleged headbutt by Robbie Brady on Ashley Williams in the 61st minute, in danger of missing the 1st playoff game at least.
http://www.skysports.com/football/ne...y-robbie-brady

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Some bit of skill by Clark to set up the chance for Duffy in those highlights . Great character / application by our lads .

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Originally Posted by joe_denilson

FIFA investigating an alleged headbutt by Robbie Brady on Ashley Williams in the 61st minute, in danger of missing the 1st playoff game at least.
http://www.skysports.com/football/ne...y-robbie-brady

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It'd be his 3rd suspension of this qualifying campaign!

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Originally Posted by DeLorean

They showed that on the Sky Sports coverage alright last night, but not on RTÉ. Even Craig Bellamy was saying it's a joke if some overpaid fella in Switzerland tries to justify his salary by investigating it.

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Bellamy was very good I thought in the aftermath.

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Originally Posted by Fixer82

Enough of the British Isles talk. You’ve been listening to Chris Coleman too much.
Stick it in the drawer with Dunphy’s Londonderry comment last night

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What was this now?

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Originally Posted by Fixer82

Enough of the British Isles talk. You’ve been listening to Chris Coleman too much.
Stick it in the drawer with Dunphy’s Londonderry comment last night

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Sounds funny, what was that???:)

They were talking about Duffy's performance and Dunphy said (laughing)... "Another Derry man, where would we be without Londonderry?". Darragh just kind of said (also laughing) "ah here, stop" and Dunphy proceeded to analyse Duffy's performance.

clip of the headbutt in this article

http://www.the42.ie/robbie-brady-ash...39124-Oct2017/

it's a headbutt, but very minor. williams barely even notices it. not sure if that helps...