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IDK. Especially since he had a worse injury before the Euros and wanted desperately to make himself available for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
There are a couple of quotes I refer to. One of them is in the Irish Times article I linked to.
And in response to your other comment, the Internet has been available since what, 1993?
Both important instances in a tight game.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
The Irish Times quote said nothing. Some say suspicions within the camp, or something woolly.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
And again, trust me: an innocuous injury can be enough to rule you out for 7 days but not 10. Nothing sinister there. I ran a half marathon this morning at 90% effort. Could I compete tomorrow? No. Tuesday? Doubtful. Wednesday, definitely.
Apples and oranges.
The quotes are there for anyone who wants to dig them up. No need for any of us to analyse them to death.
What I will say though is if that's genuinely enough to rule someone out of both matches, then Ireland - and most teams - would struggle to put out an 11 for every match.
If you held Jon Walters to the same standard then he probably wouldn't/shouldn't have been fit enough to start the last four games he started going back to Sweden.
That's not an answer. Please provide the quotes you mention.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
Also, you're going to have to clarify this, given that you didn't register on foot.ie until almost two years after McCarthy made his debut
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Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
The elders of this little corner of the www are beginning to sharpen their knives upon your mistakes TOWK, old boy.
So is Jon deserving of credit for playing through the pain? Or should he have tapped out like Arter?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
No, not apples and oranges. It doesn’t matter what the sport is, some injuries only take a week or so to heal. Some minor injuries genuinely present a longer term risk if put under unnecessary strain.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
You’re being evasive and disingenuous by saying “the quotes are there for anyone”. Here is the quote I was referring to. Is this not the one you mean too?
Emmet Malone (emphasis mine)
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/socc...ight-1.2821560
Oddly, the Arter story becomes a little more complicated with hindsight. During calls made in connection with this article, it was suggested that doubts had been expressed within the Ireland set-up about the player’s commitment – it really was as tenuous as that but even that would have been enough, perhaps, to justify questioning O’Neill on the issue.
This might indeed be the basis on which it was asked but it is certainly not the way the question was framed, and so O’Neill believed, as did all of the other reporters, that he was being questioned about Arter’s intentions on the basis of nothing more than rumour.
Rather, all the available evidence points to Arter having quietly, and with some dignity, accepted a number of injury setbacks and disappointments as he waits to make his competitive debut.
It is not clear on this occasion whether the Irish management team felt he might, at a stretch, have pushed himself so as to be available to play despite an injury that scans suggested was not that serious, but both O’Neill and Roy Keane said publicly that they believed it was his prerogative to withdraw from the squad if he did not feel right.
This doesn't even say "who the "calls" were made to or who did the suggesting - Malone himself perhaps?.
And I don’t think Walters should have started versus Sweden, especially in hindsight, but the medical team gave him the all clear. If anything it strengthens my point. Even when the scans are clear, a player can break down. Walters did.
And this is Roy Keane's direct quote on the issue.
In no way does this suggest that Keane felt he could have played if only the will was there. He's actually being remarkably understanding and even sympathetic. Of course, Keane's autobiography is full of regrets of not minding himself a bit more and playing in games that he really should have sat out.Quote:
He’s had a scan. It was positive, but the lad is still feeling tight. He hasn’t trained today and if you’re not training two days before a game, that's a problem. Hopefully it settles down and he can play a part in the second game. It’s unfortunate; he’s had some bad luck with injuries.
I know you probably had a cyber life before your foot.ie debut, but what was the point of you saying you were one of the few defending McCarthy and Wilson (as if it was something we should all have been aware of!). What has it got to do with you later accusing McCarthy of lacking commitment and now Arter?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
Has he inevitably defected yet?
No, TOWK is still here unfortunately.
He's obviously not going to defect, he's been an Irish international for 10 years. How and ever(sic), I wouldn't blame him if he retired from international football with stuff like this:Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...-35115440.html
Arter should recognise that social media doesn't represent civilised society for the most part. These clowns really are the bottom of the barrel and best ignored completely.
ZingQuote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
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Originally Posted by joe_denilson
If that wouldn't kill the idea nothing will.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Arter
Joe I was being a bit facetious in fairness as the last few days in this thread have been interminable.
Quick recovery to match fitness by (possible potential defector) Harry.
Bournemouth v Hull (15:00 BST)
Bournemouth XI: Boruc, Smith, Francis, Cook, Daniels, Stanislas, Surman, Arter, Wilshere, Ibe, Wilson.
Full 90.
Quelle surprise
hmmmm......
Wonder what Merson has to say?
He had a poor game according to he ratings, 6.9 Bournemouth lowest (well one 6.8 and another 6.9).
Just seen the highlights of the goals he was not involved in any.
Nursing his injury no doubt.
shouldnt b questioning this lads commitment been with us since 17s saw him get sent off in a 17s game in tolka against I think Serbia and he was highly thought of at the time at charlton. He has turned his career around massively after been let go and moving for was it 5 grand transfer fee and obviously had a horrific year personally last year something he likely will never get over. This lad deserves our support and is a great example to all of usQuote:
Originally Posted by tricky_colour
I think most people here support him but a few cranks, sensationalists and couch potatoes who don't understand what a minor injury is will still see something to moan about.
I remember when Liverpool played Rovers at Milltown in a friendly in the early 80s. Ronnie Whelan got booed every time he touched the ball and got met with chants old "Why don't you play for Ireland?". Some obviously felt he pulled out of squads too easily.
Ronnie.
Whelan.
Irish.
Legend.
There have always been cranks around football.
Left the stadium on crutches today apparently.
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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Yes initinially when that was reported I thought it was some joker on twitter but it is official.
http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/spo...rries/?ref=rss
So.... some good new there.... :pQuote:
CHERRIES are sweating on the fitness of Harry Arter after the midfielder left Vitality Stadium on crutches.
Republic of Ireland international Arter played the full 90 minutes of today's 6-1 trouncing of Hull City in the Premier League.
However, the 26-year-old appeared to be feeling the effects of a first-half challenge by the Tigers' Robert Snodgrass.
Arter clutched his knee following the late tackle and was subsequently attended to by physio Steve Hard.
What's the good news Tricky,
that he didn't leave on a stretcher?
The :p indicates irony.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
I think it puts to bed any malcious rumour mongers spreaders, looks like he was not 100% fit.
Are they people who spread rumour mongers?
There are a few of them in the media I wouldn't mind spreading myself.
Hmmmm. Like Sharon ni Bheolain?Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Typical Boez, dirty mind :)
In all fairness Stutts, there is a difference between a professional athlete getting an injury and one of us getting an injury.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
They won 6-1 too. I'm surprised he wasn't taken off when the points were in the bag in order to manage his fitness.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
I think it was moronic to bring a player who obviously wasn't fit enough to contribute properly to the Euros, but it should have been up to the management team to leave him out.Quote:
Originally Posted by joe_denilson
He always seems to take a tackle in the first half that only affects him after the game :D
Stutts isnt one of us, haven't you realised.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
In the context we're talking about the only difference is that the risk of aggravating a relatively small injury is more serious for a pro. In almost every other respect it's perfectly valid to compare the two. An injury can take 3-5 days to heal. On day 1 it might be unwise to play, on day 5 it might be fine. The healing process might be quicker for a pro due to the quality of the physio treatment available. You often hear managers says stuff like "the game came just a few days too early for him".Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
I have no idea what the real extent of Arter's injury was but it'd surprise me if he was skiving because he had a great chance of starting in the two games. The only thing I am sure about is that in purely generic terms, a minor injury can rule a player out of a game but can be clear a week later. I think the only reason you're not accepting that is because it undermines your case against Arter.
Ah good, you're back. You have 24 hours to answer the questions on the previous page or I'll ban you for a week.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
.http://www.skysports.com/football/ne...-by-eddie-howeQuote:
Harry Arter will force his way into the Republic of Ireland's starting line-up if he sustains his early-season Premier League form, according to Eddie Howe.
Bournemouth boss Howe hailed midfielder Arter's all-action showing that underpinned the Cherries' 6-1 hammering of Hull, then tipped the 26-year-old for further Ireland honours
"I think the players' performance will dictate what happens on that side," said Howe of Arter's international chances.
Ever since I was a little boy on the internet, this :rolleyes: indicated irony.Quote:
Originally Posted by tricky_colour
If I write, after hearing about Harry starting a club game after crying off midweek,
"It's time to start a potentially ineligible player thread" then I would use a :p
Well I guess I should have said tongue in cheek. :p hte rolls eyes smilie is not very clear. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
interesting video analysis of Arter: http://www.footballdiscovery.com/vid...r-a-key-figure