What are your thoughts on Robbie Keanes role under the new management? Some would have suggested he would be lucky to have a part of the next campaign. The first training session was based around him, to guide the younger lads maybe?
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What are your thoughts on Robbie Keanes role under the new management? Some would have suggested he would be lucky to have a part of the next campaign. The first training session was based around him, to guide the younger lads maybe?
To score goals perhaps ? Some have been suggesting that Robbie shouldn't have been part of the last 3 campaigns but he continues to score goals. And do you know what? Unless you score goals, you don't win games.Quote:
Originally Posted by M@ttitude
Roy Keane press conference will be live on SSN at 2.30pm.
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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
For those not abroad..
http://www.rte.ie/sport/player/#!/live/41/
I think M@ttitude's question was a fair one and fairly put too, not deserving of such a facetious answer.
O'Neill himself has questioned whether he'll retain the captaincy, saying that he'll be captain for these games but mainly because there's no point in changing anything while the management is taking stock of their, eh, stock.
It's also fair to ask whether people here think he'll be captain and whether he'll even be starting. The next campaign is a year away, a bigger thing for a guy of Keane's age than someone else. Will Long or Stokes step up to the plate? Will MON decide that he may have to play an extra midfielder to compete, jeopardising Keane's place.
To answer the original question, I think Keane will still be a big part of our 2014/5 season but others will be given a chance between now and September to elevate their status. They'll still have some catching up to do though to push Keane out of the way altogether, but I think Keane may be starting from the bench more often. I don't think he'll be captain, but there isn't a standout candidate to be captain for the long term either.
I could be wrong but I'd say the 'facetiousness' was aimed at the idiots who consistently give Robbie a hard time, not m@ittude. I hope so anyway or I'm taking back my 'thanks'!
Yep, I think Owls Fan was right to criticise Keane bashers but I think there was recognition of the same in the original question, when Matt said that some would have dropped him 3 campaigns ago.
If the new campaign was starting this week, Keane would be a shoo-in, but it starts in ten months. Keane reminds me of Larsson in a sense. Both are busy, instinctive forwards with similar body types and have looked after themselves. I think Keane will still be good as a 35 year old, but I think he'll need to be used a bit more cleverly.
Matt didn't say that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Sorry, you're right. I got mixed up.
But he was fair when he said some don't think he should be starting in a year's time. Some don't.
I don't think we should treat the immediate future with any assumptions regarding what Robbie will or won't be able to contribute in a years time. He's important and good enough to play now so I would play him, obviously while also giving others their chance to impress. 10 months seems like an eternity right now but time flies and I'd expect little or nothing to change between now and then with regards Keane's ability to perform, injury dependent obviously.
It was Owls Fan that said 'some would have dropped him 3 campaigns ago'.
Edit- Just see that had been cleared up.
Thanks for all the support lads, I didn't take any offence from Owls reply at all. There are a lot of Keane bashers about, I get frustrated watching him sometimes too but there is no doubting his commitment or record. But yes, Stutts reply was the kind of conversation I was hoping to create. From watching the training session yesterday it looked like the team is being set up around Robbie, I know it was the first training session but I was just thinking, why? Looking at Shane Longs performance at the weekend and Alan Shearer raving about him, is it not time to give Long a stable position in the team and give him the confidence to develop as an international striker for next September. I feel Shane Long has lost confidence within the Ireland setup. No 'facetious' replies please;)
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Originally Posted by M@ttitude
Are you confident he will still make that trip from the US if he isn't starting anymore ? Not that I'm advocating him being dropped either, but will he play the bit part in time ? Or call time on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
In many ways the criticism of Trapattoni's inflexible tactics can be linked to Robbie's inclusion in the team because you are restricted in how you effectively can use him. If the goal is to be more adaptable and flexible in the future maybe there is a hard decision there to be made for the new management team.
Keane will naturally start to feature less and less as we move forward, he's no spring chicken. But he has something to offer and if he maintains fitness and competitiveness at club level, he's as good an option as many other Irish strikers currently available. And if he's playing, let him be the Captain.
I might be a wee bit biased on it, but why wouldn't Coleman be a standout option for long term captain? He's surely going to be in the setup for the next 10 or so years.
I would also like to see Long get an extended run of starts, but alongside Keane.Quote:
Originally Posted by M@ttitude
Some quotes from Keane's press conference: http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/irish...ress-comments/
The link also features an audio recording of Tony O'Donoghue's assessment and a video.Quote:
Originally Posted by RTÉ
It wasn't facetious at all. It was a genuine response. Robbie's role has always been to put the ball in the back of the net and until he is no longer able to do that, then that should be his role. People have been questioning whether he should start since I think the very first post in this whole thread and I see no reason for it now if you look at his recent goal tally. I got a ticket for the recent Samoa v Ireland rugby match and the hero worship for "Drico" around me made me annoyed at the attitude of so many football fans to one of our greatest players ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
There's only one Keano.
I've met this man numerous times late at night around the chinese takeaway and in the pub in a Dublin suburb. He's not the worst but there's no way in hell this man should ever be deciding the channel of thought on the Irish soccer team. He's no more knowledgeable than anyone on here. And a lot less so than many of the fellas on here.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
I just say this as I worry to, what I perceive to be, his growing influence.
I've always felt Tony O'Donoghue to be a good journalist to be honest, although I'm open to correction if your experience tells you otherwise.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24916323
Dunno if this has been posted already.
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New assistant boss Roy Keane was the first to arrive at Republic of Ireland training in Malahide on Tuesday as preparations for Friday's friendly against Latvia got under way.
Keane, 42, turned up 90 minutes before Martin O'Neill and his players were scheduled to begin work at Gannon Park.
The Cork man checked out the training pitch before inspecting the nearby gym facilities at the north Dublin venue.
Keane returned to the training pitch well before the first players arrived.
The former Republic of Ireland and Manchester United captain, who was wearing full training kit, had time to sign autographs and pose for photographs with fans who had turned out to witness the start of the new regime.
I guess it would not be too clever if the pitch was rock hard and all the equipment had gone AWOL :D
Man arrives early for work!
To be fair Keane shrugged this off in the press conference himself. He said it would obviously be part of his job to get things organised before the players arrive. He was then asked if he is going to expect the same from the players, that they should be punctual... he just gave one of his squinty-eyed looks and replied with something along the lines of "Obviously.... do I expect them to be on time for work??? Hardly looking for miracles is it?"
Seeing as they're all staying in the same place it's assumable they arrive on a coach or something anyway no? Or do they stick their thumbs out and hitch up from the hotel?Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
Not a plug for the FAI :eek: but brings it home...
http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphoto...26217964_n.jpg
is that the actual cover ? or something u did yourself Ardee?Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Me likes
Nah, from the FAI Fbk.page...
It reminds me of the below link:Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
http://www.impawards.com/2003/poster...ys_two_xlg.jpg
Or in this case "Bad Cop, Bad Bad Cop 2"
Journalists do not decide "the channel of thought" on football teams for the genuine supporters, most of whom are on here. Dunphy (and Giles for that matter) ranted for years against Charlton and yet he left when he decided the time was right and the supporters were loyal to him. Do you think people on here will pay any more heed to O'Donoghue's view that the view of the fans on here. The likes of Miriam Lord who did a piece in the Irish Times http://www.irishtimes.com/news/irela...ined-1.1594050 about "the glamorous Roy Keane" will interest the celeb followers or event junkies, many of whom will go to the Aviva tomorrow, but will it shape the opinion of the fans, I doubt it. Take Trap also: the media was 95% against him even going in to the qualification campaign but I doubt if it changed attitutes. Fans are well capable of making up their own minds whether pro or anti..Quote:
Originally Posted by Yard of Pace
I wouldn't worry either about the huge hype that is surrounding the appointment of an out of work Corkman as an assistant manager. I will never like Keane following on Saipan but if O'Neill brings success, he can have Dunphy as his assistant for all I care. The team the team the team. As for the rest of it, I'll bite my lip and remember the latin phrase I learned at school: "Optimum est pati quod emendare non possis."
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Originally Posted by back of the net
It actually a good cover, would make a good poster too.
I thanked OF's post despite not understanding the Latin bit at the end.
I was firmly on Mick's side in Saipan but at the same time, when I think back on some of the personal rows I've had in my life where I have been wholly consumed by pride and no small level of innate aggression and self-preservation instinct, and where I have maintained an irrational stance believing it to be right at the time, I'd be a hypocrite not to see a bit of him in what I have done -albeit on a less public scale!
I'm happy to see a great Irish football figure there to inspire and motivate our players. I take him in face value when he says he's not a monster and can actually be a good influence on lesser players. In fact, I reckon Keane's outward alpha-ness betrays some insecurities. No shame in that whatsoever. I can't see why anyone would object to him being in part-charge of our team. We'd be mad not to consider him.
I want the contrary whiny f'ecker to succeed. I don't expect (or want) him to have changed, but a bit of maturity wont go amiss and will go a long way in this job.
Talking about Keane .... just in case a line got crossed.
I Googled it....Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
'It is best to endure what you cannot change.'
I read that Miriam Lord piece this morning on my phone. I had to shake myself to make sure I'd woken up.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
think Stutts asked what Irish players have played under Keane and O'Neill at club level
also Shane Lowry played at Villa under O'Neill before changing allegiances to Australia, and Alex Bruce played for Keane at Ipswich before changing allegiance to the NorthCode:Manager Name Club Player
Martin O'Neill Celtic Aiden McGeady
Liam Miller
Colin Healy
Aston Villa Richard Dunne
Roy Keane Sunderland Liam Miller
Anthony Stokes
Daryl Murphy
David Connolly
Stephen Elliott
Clive Clarke
Graham Kavanagh
Liam Lawrence
Kenny Cunningham
Paul McShane
Ian Harte
Roy O'Donovan
Andy Reid
Nicky Colgan
David Meyler
Ipswich Owen Garvan
Alan Quinn
Colin Healy
Damien Delaney
Jonathan Walters
Shane Supple
Ian McLoughlin
Daryl Murphy
Brian Murphy
Shane O'Connor
Ronan Murray
Conor Hourihane
Darren O'Dea
Mark Kennedy
Has anybody noticed that Martin O'Neill's jokes are really, really bad? Like I know my posts aren't the best, but... has a manager ever been sacked for killing everyone's buzz?
He's no Patrick Kielty.
Is that a compliment or an insult?
Yes. Take goodness for...Martin O'Neill!Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Too-good Di Canio's got beef with Martin: http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/inter...6837-di-canio/
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Paolo Di Canio has hit back at Martin O'Neill as the war of words between the former Sunderland managers continued.
Di Canio succeeded O'Neill at the Stadium of Light in March and, on his arrival, criticised the fitness levels in the squad.
O'Neill took his time to respond but following his appointment as Republic of Ireland boss earlier this week, he dismissed Di Canio's barbs and labelled the Italian a "managerial charlatan".
Di Canio, who led Sunderland to Premier League survival last season before being sacked after five games of the current campaign, told Sky Sports News: "I don't know if he knows the meaning of this word charlatan. Probably I can teach him, even if I am not English.
"I respect the opinion of manager Martin O'Neill but the fact that he spoke after six months, not straight away, that proves what kind of level he is. He is not very big.
"A charlatan is a manager who spends £40m to be a top ten club and then sees the club sink into the relegation zone."
Di Canio stood by his claim that the Black Cats players were not in peak condition when he arrived on Wearside.
"The fitness levels were pathetic," he said.
"I had players who told me they had cramps from driving the car.
"I had three players with injuries in the calf after 20 minutes of a game. Six different players with problems means they were not fit."
Di Canio was dismissed after a 3-0 defeat at West Brom, a result which was reportedly followed a day later by a training ground bust-up with senior players which led them to ask the board to take action.
Di Canio insisted, however, that no argument took place.
"It never happened," he said.
"There was a typical meeting, as there was after every game to see the clips and analyse the game.
"Maybe there was opinion but this happens in every good family."
Even though his first foray into top-flight management ended in acrimonious fashion, it has not quelled Di Canio's confidence and he remains hopeful of finding another job in England.
"I was too good, my level was too high," he said of his experience at Sunderland.
"What doesn't kill me makes me stronger. I can't wait to have another chance with the right people. I feel a better manager than before.
"Even if I have requests from around Europe I say no.
"There is no space for me in England at the moment but I will wait.
"It would be stupid for a chairman not to call me. Even if it's at a Championship club with a project."