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Asked Emmet Malone on twitter if he had heard anything about Byrnes situation at Wigan and why he wasn't getting a look in. He didn't know immediately but said he would look into it.
He got back to me today having spoken to someone and said that Byrne was felt not to be 100% match fit after the move but is getting there and should feature soon.
Wigan manager, Warren Joyce, provides an update on Jack Byrne: http://www.wigantoday.net/sport/foot...d-co-1-8432816
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Originally Posted by Wigan Today
So was he not training / reserve games at Blackburn ?
Strange comment re Holland also, as thought it doesn't count fully either.
it would tie in with this recent post on twitter, when asked if he was fit: https://twitter.com/Jackb_8/status/834504827065479169
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Feeling a lot fitter mate can't wait to get going
Haha. The Holland comment was probably just awkward wording. It comes across as though he was away in Amsterdam, stuck down in the Red Light. The reality was he was playing regular senior football.Quote:
Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
Owen Coyle has a lot to answer for. Between stunting Byrne's development and those comments about playing for Ireland when the Scotland job was last available, he's not wearing his one Irish cap around the place much.
Fingers crossed on Jack. There are a couple of months left for him to get a good run.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39255049
A new manager at Wigan.....As a player you have to keep an open mind on managers because like a box of chocolates that you have never seen before and there is no explainey thingy.....you don't know who you are going to get next....
That's true Forrest. :D
Noel King's reasoning for excluding Byrne from the U-21 squad.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...-35560826.html
Dimaio has started a total of two games since the turn of the year for Chesterfield, who are a league below.Quote:
"We have lots of competition in midfield. Ryan Manning is doing well at QPR, our new captain Josh Cullen is a regular on loan at Bradford City from West Ham United and Connor Dimaio is getting games for Chesterfield."
Absolutely ridiculous reasoning.
It's poor man management and another knock for the lad's confidence.
This is the same person who dished out U-21 call-ups to several lads who haven't so much as made the bench at senior level let alone made an appearance.
On the bench for Wigan today: https://twitter.com/LaticsOfficial/s...59250362888193
Criticising a manager for not picking a player who has played no football whilst also criticising the same manager for picking players who have played no football. Classic.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
That wasn't what I was doing at all actually. I was criticising his reasoning for excluding Byrne because it is clearly flawed.Quote:
Criticising a manager for not picking a player who has played no football whilst also criticising the same manager for picking players who have played no football. Classic.
The reasons he excludes Byrne should preclude him from calling up Dimaio.
At least be consistent and not spout things that are clearly nonsense. He has called up several eligible players in the past despite their club circumstances. (I wonder why)
Classic.
You clearly demonstrated circular reasoning. I didn't mention anything about Noel King. Take a bit of criticism like a grown up.
I pointed out an inconsistency in what King said. I struggle to understand what is hard to grasp about that, especially in light of the kerfuffle between MON/Koeman.Quote:
Originally Posted by joe_denilson
Maybe I would accept your criticism if it had the slightest point and/or didn't have the unnecessary "classic" sarkiness at the end of it.
That 'classic' bit has really riled you hasn't it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
Wigan brought on 3 subs but Byrne remained on the bench.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Your right, I can see how my comment looks unnecessarily sarky. Was honestly meant tongue in cheek. No offence intended.
But to be clear. do you agree that Byrne should not have been called up because he's not getting a game for Blackburn?
You are most hihestly meany, Joe.Quote:
Originally Posted by joe_denilson
Byrne is been treated like ****e by FIFA there should be 4 subs allowedQuote:
Originally Posted by TrapAPony
He's always getting byrned, that guy.
Can you do me a favour and clarify your use of the word "eligible"? I don't see it's relevance in a normal context, unless you're pushing an agenda.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
Byrne has not been match fit. Warren Joyce confirmed this. Diamaio has been. Two appearances suggests he's not preferred. Not deemed completely out of favour.
You were one of the people with an agenda over Kelly getting called up to the senior squad ahead of Manning. I thought it made sense. Manning has no under 21 appearances and is underage. Yet, he didn't play much good, by all accounts, on his first appearance.
Who has more upside, Connor Dimaio or Jack Byrne?
Byrne made the bench today and he's been training for the better part of a month by all accounts.
I don't have an agenda about Kelly. I posted a tweet from a journalist who posited that he was called up to fasten his integration into the set up.
Classic
If it's Liam Kelly, I would say well done and good move on FAI's part. Kelly is a fine, fine player from what I've seen of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
Byrne is also a fine player and theoretically could be the future of our midfield. I find it appalling that he has gone from being one of the top young prospects in Dutch football (and a possible recruit for Ajax at one point) to a rank also ran at Wigan.
It's as much a statement about the waywardness of English football as it is the player's misguided vision.
I know you posted it. Why are you leaving out the fact that you posted it and basically inferred he had taken the words from your mouth?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
I've seen more of Byrne than Dimaio and Byrne is a better player, from my perspective. Who is to say that he'll have the better career though? You reckon not picking Byrne is going to dent his confidence. This is the same Byrne that MON stated "certainly doesn't lack confidence."
Byrne has a serious amount of work to do to get his career back on track. He is yet to feature for Wigan and joined them 2 months ago. A token pick for an Ireland under 21 squad ahead of other "eligible" players won't help him much.
Off the bench late on for his Wigan debut today
They hit an injury time winner after he joined, keeps them seven rather than nine from safety, only scraped it vs Rotherham though who have no business in that division.
Yeah a massive win for Bristol City after their horror show at Preston. Unfortunately O'Dowda only featured as a late sub also.
Byrne's career path appears to be back on track after his Blackburn wobble as he came on early in the second half and helped Wigan win 3-2 against Barnsley. So who do we want to see stay up? Byrne, O'Dowda or the Blackburn trio (Hoban/Williams/Lenihan)
They were 0-2 down when he was thrown on, another sub got an eleven minute hat trick and the headlines but still good for Byrne to have been part of that.
I am still hoping all three can do it with Forest and Burton being reeled in but I think we might only keep O'Dowda at the level.
Hoban's on loan at Blackburn - he'll be back at Watford next season.
Stokes is still there, and scored for the reserves this week. According to the Herald, he'll be in the squad for their game against forest today
They were actually 0-1 down when Byrne came on for what it's worth. Yeah, if we think Bryne's career has hit a bit of a lull it's nothing compared to the hat-trick hero Nick Powell, a man who was destined for big things at Man Utd at one stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
Byrne is still a very young chap, three years younger than Chris Forrester for example. A year of regular football in L1 wouldn't be a disaster for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by samhaydenjr
O'Dowda, likewise, is very young, and he has never really nailed down a starting place for Bristol City; sometimes he hasn't made the squad.
In Lenihan and Williams you have two players who are quite close to Intl recognition. And Stokes might yet get his house in order and start anew with a full pre-season behind him.
So it would have to be Blackburn IMO.
Would be very disappointed to see Byrne drop down to L1. It would be something of a disaster for him, I believe. He has gone from the hottest young prospect in Dutch football to someone who could go down the wrong road and fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
He is headed in the same direction as Conor Clifford. He needs to arrest the decline in his career now in the next couple of weeks. I know he is under contract to Wigan for a couple of years, but there are plenty of players these days ending their contracts by mutual consent. He needs to start again. Option A - any mid to lower level Erdivisie team Option B - a Championship promotion contender for next season Option C - work under Patrick Vieira in New York
Going to America would be a bigger disaster for him than dropping to League One.
Kyle Callan-McFadden moved from Orlando City to Sligo Rovers because he said it would give him a better chance of furthering his career.
It's not about playing standard either, it's about media profile and how little the likes of O'Neill or Keane would get a chance to watch him in action.
America is a backward move for anyone wanting to step up in their careers. It's a retirement ground for ageing footballers looking for a last decent payday.
League One would do Byrne no harm at all for a season. He's not exactly set the Championship alight and needs to find his feet in English football.
He's lauded as being the next big thing all because of a short stint at a club that got relegated from the Eredivsie.
He has a long way to go and a promotion push from League One and a bit of stability at one club would be of more benefit than another club hopping move in an attempt to prove he's better than his current career trends suggest.
i guess the best thing he can do short term is give everything he can to try to help wigan pull off a great escape. they probably need 7 points from their last 3 games and they are not easy ones. next up is a winnable home match v cardiff but then a tricky trip to reading follows, with a home match v leeds who will probably need the points to get into the playoffs to finish up.
Tbf that mcfadden chap was only on the Orlando B side Sligo is definitely a step up from that. You'd imagine if Byrne got the chance/decided to go to NYC he'd be in or around starting 11 for the first team.
Why would you imagine that?
What exactly separates McFadden from Byrne though? McFadden had a few first team games at Norwich and was very highly thought of there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jd2793
Byrne doesn't seem to be setting the English leagues alight at all. Outside his spell in Holland, he's got almost the same amount of appearances as McFadden had.
There's only a year of difference between them in age too.
McFadden was first choice centre-half at Orlando B, and was training with the first team there. Rubbing shoulders with Kaka, Nocerino, Spector and other established international players hardly would have done him any harm?
Despite this, he wasn't getting a look in at Ireland under-21 level. He wasn't getting watched. There was nobody to watch him. League of Ireland players and reserve players in England were getting looked at first.
There's no guarantee Byrne would go into the first team at NYC. He could end up in a dead end like McFadden and have to look to League of Ireland to resurrect his career.
At least in League One, he's in the public eye. He's covered on Sky Sports. He's covered on the football league show on Channel 5. He's easily watched by scouts and by O'Neill or Keane. And he'd probably get just as big a wage as he'd get anywhere else.
Stephen Elliott blogs 'Time for Jack Byrne to shine': https://www.sportdec.com/app/article...i1ozbgi8shsu9h
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Nice article . Its time for Jack Byrne to walk the walk........Show he has the commitment and ability to make it as a professional footballer at a decent level......Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible