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I was exactly the same. He is an atrocious commentator. Some of the guff he came out with was unreal. And his hard-on for Gerrard is still ever present. At least there's my other reason for getting rid of BT Sport sorted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Unfortunately, given what a sack of **** he is and a poor commentator, he is nonetheless the iconic commentator the EPL and this represents a big coup for BT. It will make their coverage far more legitimate in the eyes of a lot of people and unfortunately again, compared to what Ron Atkinson did, the sort of abusive sexism he trades in is far more acceptable than racism. In fact, I know first hand that there are people who tacitly approve of his conduct.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
It's a such a shame we aren't the majority but then again CD, if we were...
I for one would bar homophobes from heterosexual marriage. Quite frankly I think unions between homophobes and other humans unnatural :(Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
I didn't see it myself but is it true that Giles seriously suggested that for the last man back foul, the culprit should stay on the pitch if the penalty was scored and he should be dismissed if the penalty is missed (he didn't say what would happen if the penalty is missed but scored by another player from a rebound).? I understand that Dunphy lauded the great man and condemned the suits in UEFA for not thinking of this. Talk about opening a can of worms. Messi commits the foul after 5 minutes, I'd deliberately miss the penalty. Paul McShane (all due respect etc) commits the foul, I'd do my best to score etc etc
The correct solution I believe: last man back outside the box, send off. Inside stay on as the penalty is sufficient punishment. I wonder did the "suits" or Giles think of that?
Giles wasn't the only one to think along those lines OF.
Jamie Carragher was also suggesting some leniency on Sky last week until Ballack spoke sensibly and pointed out that the players know the rules & should be a tad more careful in the box.
I guess I see where they are coming from.Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
Ballack being well skilled in the art of diving, somersaults, a magnetic attracted to hit a defender's leg and be felled, would indeed be in favour of the red card and penalty.
Carragher being the defender, has the perspective that the red card and penalty is a double whammy overkill.
We'd see keepers not trying to save penalties in some cases if that was the rule, or takers deliberately missing them.
Defenders should get better at defending and not rely on last ditch tackles to save the day!
Don't think Ballack was in the league of Suarez, Young and Gerrard when it comes to falling over. I'm struggling to think of him having a 'diving' incident. I'm sure there will be one out there but he was a fairly honest player.
Indeed, the rules are the rules and those playing the game should fully comprehend them, but rules can always be amended (and have been on plenty of occasions throughout the history of the game) if it is felt the game is being hampered by their implementation. I still feel a double-whammy of red card and penalty is a disproportionate punishment to the offending team.
This was my post on this from another site:Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
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I am one of those who thinks that a red card can be too harsh, and the rule could be changed.
Giles' suggestions could never work - as somebody suggested, we'd have situations where the keeper would not want to save penalties, or takers didn't want to score.
I don't really agree with arguments that the player's intention is relevant, as that doesn't mean much to the team denied a chance. The chance is gone either way, whether it was a mistimed tackle or a cynical foul.
Imo, the issue is whether the punishment fits the crime. It's not about what a player intended to do, it is a question of whether or not the opportunity denied the attacking team merits a certain punishment.
For me, any obvious goal-scoring opportunity denied by a foul outside the area should be punished by a red card, as the resulting free-kick isn't as a good a chance as the chance the foul denied them. But for fouls where penalties are given, I think that there are situations where the double-whammy of a red card also is too harsh.
The only thing I can think of is to come up with terminology to change (or add to) 'clear goal-scoring opportunity' or whatever the wording is. Perhaps something like 'denying an inevitable goal' being deemed a red-card offense, to cater for the Suarez handball situations or similar.
The argument that 'the players know the rules' is pretty empty by itself too. Players are always aware of the rules, but rules are changed if it is believed a change will improve the game. Offside rules, backpass rule, are examples of this.
The last ditch tackle is not always so black and white, yet the rule doesn't discriminate. It's not always an ignorance of the rules or an ignorance of the art of defending, sometimes collisions just happen with a goalie making an honest attempt, sometimes the onrushing attacker shifts direction to get taken out by a goalie's hand or a defender's foot.Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
No, Ballack was not in the first division of divers but he was a persistent enough offender for Bayern, Germany and when he first came to Chelsea, probably was shamed into cutting it out of his game. I remember one or two of his dives early on in the epl caused great controversy. An irony was, when he was with Bayern and dived to win Bayern a late penalty in a CL knockout game against Chelsea, he was heavily criticised by Chelsea players and called an effin' cheating diver :)
I think that's a bit too harsh on the guy who committed the foul outside the box, compared with the guy who fouled inside. Why should he deserve a red card because he fouled the attacker further from goal?Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
What about a penalty being awarded for all professional fouls, regardless of whether it's committed inside or outside the penalty area? A yellow card should suffice for the defender unless the foul was dangerous also. That way, the team isn't denied their excellent goal scoring opportunity and the game isn't ruined i.e. no double-whammy.
Couldn't have worded it better myself! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
What do people make of Tommy Martin on TV3? Since Bill is retiring after the WC, I reckon he would be a good replacement...
It's Darragh's to lose.
When was the last time you saw a sports broadcaster jump from TV3 to RTE? Apart from Dunphy, of course. I do think Tommy Martin is very impressive, but RTE is a very tough place to get into, or out of.Quote:
Originally Posted by IsMiseSean
The difference for me is the liklihood of the resulting free kick or penalty. If a penalty is an equal or even better opportunity than the opportunity denied by a fould, then I think a red on top is too harsh.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
If the resulting free kick is not as good a goal-scoring opportunity, then the player should be sent off.
If the penalty isn't as alikely to lead to a goal as the chance denied by a foul, that should be a red card also.
As examples:
Suarez handball: red card and penalty, as the liklihood of scoring a penalty is less likely than the occurance of a goal if he hadn't handled it.
Demichelis foul on Messi: penalty and yellow card, as I think the penalty is as good a chance as Messi would have had anyway.
Demichelis foul on Messi if it had happened 5 yards further up the pitch: red card, as the resulting free kick isn't as good a chance as Messi would have had.
Awarding penalties for fouls outside the box: do we need to redefine professional fould for this? Are we differentiating between deliberate foul and mis-timed tackle?Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
I agree, it's very unlikely to happen. Especially when Ryle 'I can't get enough eggball on RTE' Nugent in charge...Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
It's eggchasing - not eggball.Quote:
Originally Posted by IsMiseSean
I've stuck up for the rte panel on numerous occasions on this thread - but even I had to turn Dunphy off last week after the Arsenal / Munich game. Appalling!
Let me guess. Talking about how crap Bayern Munich's players are, particularly their defenders, as if the lack of quality defenders isn't endemic in football in general.Quote:
Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid
The ball is shaped like an egg and they chase it. Both work!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid
some classics from him at the weekend after the draw was that Germany are not guaranteed to win the group (they are) and that we should write off the last seven years of Irish international football. He didn't mention if that should include the first qualification for a tournament in a decade, but I presume so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid
Classic Dunphy, at the start of a manager's reign you put on the green shirt and build up expectation. Then you turn on them later getting increasingly hysterical throughout.
He even did it during Noel King's brief reign, which was hilarious to watch unfold.
So true. Heard him on radio one when Noel King was put in charge and announced the squad and it went along the lines of......Noel is a good guy, Noel is a football man, Noel has picked a squad Trap should have been picking, Noel has done the ground work for the new man and then........if Noel does well he could be in for the job and why not. We know what happened next. All the manager's go the same way from start to finish under Dunphy as you say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
RTE panel's intrepid sideline reporter Tony O'Donoghue was at it again last night, this time his target was Mourinho who found himself caught between a wall and a manically grinning midget waving a huge microphone. Straight off the bat, somewhere in a 10 line scatterbrained question, Tony blatantly stated that Chelsea were not a good team, like the other good teams. After a considered,intelligent and honest assessment of the Chelsea performance by Mourinho, a reply that went way over Tony's head,
he (Tony) accused some 3 or 4 players of being silly because they picked up yellow cards,to which Mourinho could only shrug and say "that's life".
Tony was momentarily stunned by the brevity but saved by the clipboard, he managed to mutter the third question and alluded to Chelsea being bog standard in a bog standard league, a statement which rendered Mourinho almost speechless, 'I have nothing to say on that, I do my job and you experts do yours'.
RTE sent a full commentary team (including O'Donoghue and a camera operator) to Turkey for this 'highlight' of their night.
Gilesy showing admirable restraint as per usual
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ks8JjSBcQAo
He's an utter troll. I cannot watch him anymore after the way he accosted Noel King.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
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Originally Posted by geysir
Why in Gods name was O' Donoghue in Turkey, it's not as if it was a match filled with Irish interest?
Nobody needs to go there, RTE can just do what any other small tv network does, save a small fortune and do the commentary in a sound studio over the live feed. It can just sound the same to the viewer, it can even sound better if they have a half decent sound engineer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grafter
Yeah that's interesting and good examples. I'm just not sure referees can be trusted to decide what the better chance would be, a penalty or a guy running through on goal. Devil's advocate here, but that could even vary from team to team. Fernando Torres, for example, was a lethal finisher in his time at Liverpool, but a poor penalty taker. If Liverpool were notoriously poor from spot kicks, does this mean that Torres running through on goal is always a better bet than a penalty, therefore professional fouls on Torres are always denying a more probable goal than a resulting spot kick?Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
And the other extreme, say Southampton in the Le Tissier days... well I think Le Tissier's penalties would always have been a more reliable bet than Neil Shipperley racing towards goal in a one on one! Taking that into account, the only red cards issued for offenders against Southampton would be as a result of a Suarez handball type incident.
Fair enough if you believe they can avoid individual factors like that but, even so, I think it might open a can of worms. Very few incidents are as clear cut as the Suarez handball, for example, and a huge percentage are fairly subjective. I think the more clearly defined it is, the better for everybody.
I don't think so really. As it stands red cards are issued in both cases, accidental or not. If they are being punished for denying a clear goal scoring opportunity (regardless of whether it was outside or inside), then surely the logical leveller for the attacking team is to be awarded a clear goal scoring opportunity i.e. a penalty. As for the punishment to the offending player, perhaps a yellow card is enough in all circumstances with the exception of dangerous play. Either that or have a yellow, or even nothing, for non-cynical and a red for cynical.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
Was Soccer Republic any good last night? Does anybody know if it's repeated?
Paul McGrath was on.
Not repeated. On the RTE player (island of Ireland only). Show was 90% LOI related. 3/4 minute interview with Martin O'Neill at the end. They spoke to McGrath about various things but mostly used as an analyst rather than an interviewee.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
Fprmat OK but not much in it for non-LOI heads
I thought McGrath did quite well on it actually. According to the man himself he is very, very nervous when speaking in front of a camera or into a microphone but it didn't come across that way -nor did it appear he'd had anything of a liquid nature to steady his nerve. Hope it works out for him. I know very few people with a bad word for that guy. I think people just like to see him kick on and look after himself.
Is there anyone? He's the epitome of humility.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie
Anyone know how i can get to see it here in mainland europe, a torrent, link or how to use a proxy, cheers?!
For chrome and firefox you can download the MediaHint extension. Works for someone in Spain with both RTE and BBC.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
It works as a proxy?
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
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