Some of them are 'John Terrying' it, they have the full kit on underneath just in case. Makes the suit a little snug.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irish_Praha
What are they wearing on their lapel?
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Some of them are 'John Terrying' it, they have the full kit on underneath just in case. Makes the suit a little snug.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irish_Praha
What are they wearing on their lapel?
Just about to e-mail it to CSI...Quote:
Originally Posted by joe_denilson
http://media.moronail.net/images/sto.../0910/2010.jpg
http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/w...853/625275.jpg
All present and correct here.
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Same size suit as Keith Fahey was pretty fortunate.
The lads are awfully lucky, heading off to a cooler climate in Italy.
Haha - I would guess it's an FAI pin.
I suppose pioneer pins are out of the question?
Not sure how much of this is media fear but O'Shea still sounds a big doubt while Trap also suggested Green could play against Spain.
This bit made me laugh quite a bit:
Forget words - charades is the future of Irish press conferences.Quote:
Originally Posted by Giovanni Trapattoni
Green compared to Gattuso - I get the point Trap but dont take pi$$;)
imo Ciaran Clark should have been ahead of Green in the pecking order - for versatility reasons alone. Knowing the O'Shea may be crocked and with the loss of Fahey and McCarthy, then Clark would make the most sense in terms of coverage and value for player. I get that Green is ahead of Clark in Traps mind but he just shouldnt be...
I get what you're saying about Clark's versatility, but I think he would be worse than Green in a Trap 442. Can play in a five midfield, but would get the run around as part of a central pairing. Doesn't have the pace or positioning. Just my feeling.
Having said that I'd probably have him in the squad ahead of McShane. How and ever...
Wilson and Clark would have been far better defensive midfield options to bring than Green
Hoolahan and Wilson have roughly 15 minutes combined international experience between them.
i just cant get past the fact that a player with no club is ahead of a premiership regular...Quote:
Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton
edit: and also that Green is really crap.
Not to defend Green, but he is a better midfielder than Clark and is without a club by virtue of having refused a contract offer.
Would John O'Shea not be a better option at midfield than Green? He was good enough against France that time, iirc....?
Not to defend Green?! hehe!
I honestly dont agree that he is better than Clark going on what i have seen of Green with Ireland and Clark with Aston Villa and Ireland. But hey, we all see the game differently. Green is not the future, Clark more so.
Clark is a good player but is still very indisciplined, which is fairly useless trait for an Irish midfielder. He's quite clearly a centre half. Green is limited but he does his job.
Well hopefully Green won't need to get any game time anyway. Unless we are one nil up against whoever with 10 mins to go and we need somene to do some harrying in the centre of the park. :p
I would have preferred placing a massive boulder in the middle of the field rather than starting Green.
That very much sounds like a defence of Green. Tut tut!Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
So what are you saying? Trap should have drafted in McShane instead of Green.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yard of Pace
The footballing equivalent of Sophie's Choice
Kevin Kline is so annoying in that movie.
The facts are Green and McShane are even worse than Kilbane/Ward. Says it all really.
Please to a higher power, we don't need either of these donkeys...
Wow, Trap is a ruthless MF: "Kevin has been recovering well, I have made the difficult decision after completing fitness tests on O’Shea and McShane." It seems McShane has made the squad due to his ability to cover centre half as well as right full.
Is Paul Green really that bad? I remember him doing ok against Argentina.
That was then, this is now.
When is the last time you seen him play?Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
On the BBC this season. You?
He's not great on the ball but he's mobile. He likes to get stuck in and Whelan/Andrews/Gibson hardly set the world on fire in a green shirt. I don't think he's that bad
McShane on the other hand is a walking time bomb. He didn't detonate on Saturday (did ok to be fair but Bosnia didn't really attack down the left) but he'd leave me a nervous wreck if we need to start him in any of the group games.
Same, he's not as bad as people are making out. He probably won't even play. I agree with Shakermaker I'd be more worried if McShane has to playQuote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Green did Ok in his early games and is still paying the price for a poor performance at home to Russia where he wasn't alone. Given that McCarthy and Fahey aren't available I'm OK with his inclusion.
I haven't seen the announcement that McShane is in ahead of Foley but that's what I'm assuming based on the comments above. It seems we have injury worries in the CB department so it makes sense to have CB cover in there. Foley has been neither here nor there for us really so his absence is neither here nor there. Good luck to both McShane and Green. We're all bloody great from our armchairs and it's no great science to say that they're not our strongest options but they're there now and not necessarily at the expense of anyone available and notably better.
They're both strong characters and a squad needs that.
Agree, particularly with McShane. Not to say Foley, who's very unlucky, doesn't have the same attributes, but McShane appears to be a very strong, committed character off-the-field. Tourney travelling parties always need guys like that, the guys who are not in line for much game time but are not afraid to speak their mind and keep everyone else positive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
its been a downhill spiral for Mcshane since his appearance as Blanka in Street Fighter 2, I was impressed with Foley with his form for Wolves particularily in the season before last. He's not realy taken his chances at international level so was never certain to make it. Cruel way to miss out all the same though.
Just can't relax when Mcshane is on the pitch, no matter how well hes doing we know from experience a ridiculous blooper could be just around the corner.
dont see the benefit in playing Richard Dunne centre mid, we need him at the backQuote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
Newstalks Ken Early reckons McShane is likely to start against Croatia, as he just doesn't buy the story that everything will be OK with John O'Shea.Quote:
Originally Posted by the bear
The nail biting has started earlier than anticipated.
surely Kelly is next in line if Oshea misses out??Quote:
Originally Posted by French Toasht
This McShane business is getting me down. 1 league game for Hull and 11 for a struggling Palace side in a whole season shouldn't earn you a place in the Irish squad over the likes of Foley. I know McShane can play CB but Kelly is just as good as him there for backup to be honest. Hard luck to Foley. I hope if Paul gets a game he proves me and all the other doubters wrong. I love Trap but sometimes I just don't get it!
if mcshane starts against Croatia I might just cry.
I blame him for Paris and its just a matter of time before he gives away a penalty.
what I really don't like about him is his inability to accept criticism constructive or not.he acts like he does nothing wrong slightly arrogant almost.why do you find that with people who are crap or make mistakes they can't accept responsibility?perhaps Its a (well versed and used) defense mechanism.
I'd never have described him as arrogant. He doesn't accept criticism from the media or random fans, and rightly so because most of it is ridiculous. He takes criticism from Trapattoni, as he should.
what are you on about?how do you know he takes criticism from trap?because he is still in the group?well he would have to wouldn't he?
will explain tomorrow What I mean by arrogant but its a form of denial and shirking.
he ddint take keanes constructive criticism too well either when keane and many other pundits were clearly right.
I'd be interesting in knowing just how likely Foley's inclusion in the squad was indicated to be, to Foley himself. While I recognise that this change makes tactical sense, something about the way it has come about leaves me feeling a little preturbed.