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Personally, I disagree with the ending off. If a player get a bit of a touch but it's six in one half a dozen in the other and it's not a penalty, I don't think the player should be booked. If a player goes down as the result of no touch whatsoever, I'd agree in that case.
Congrats to Sligo Rovers. I hope ye can at least make the Europa League play-offs next season, same goes for Derry City.
The sending off was harsh, Richie could have easily had a chat with the player.
Didn't care either way who won and thought Shels would take it but it wasn't to be.
It's hard to have too much sympathy for Shels though after the Sheriff debacle.
Am assuming you didn't bother watching that game then based on this comment......Pats should have beat us in first game with 11 but played rubbish. In the 2nd game, we got a deserved pen but a terrible sending off at a stage when we were the better team, we then outplayed pats for whole game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4Ever
Cork fans? Knowing about something lasting for longer than 20 years? Don't be silly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry
I do feel for Shels. Haven't seen a replay yet, but my feeling at the time was that it was neither a foul nor a dive i.e. no peno, no yellow. I was worried all week that grandstander Winter would hog the headlines. In the end, we were poor enough but we'll take it - lord knows we've been on the receiving end of some shocking decisions (take a bow Alan Kelly). As for the Dundalk lad with his complaint about us winning two cups "without actually winning anything", I'd say you lads would happily settle for that.
You were.Quote:
Originally Posted by CSFShels
i was at the game, and I left nearly as furious at Winter as after his mockery of officiating at Bohs V Pats in the league a few weeks back: and I don't even care about Shels. I can imagine how youse feel.
Sligo are vastly overrated, as is Cook as a manager. 90 minutes against ten men, and they can only score once.
He said:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fivesilver
Factualy :) he is correct,take it whatever way you want.We like to win properly here, not by default ;)Quote:
find it stange that sligo have been in the last 3 cup finals, won 2 but never won one of the games.
Cheers - we'll keep our default trophies, you keep your plastic pitch, everybody's happy.
Classic,must copy that great counterpoint for future reference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fivesilver
So, it's now 23.49.
A few things that came from today:
Richie Winters is a disgrace.
Cork fans are an oddly bitter bunch.
We are a really really good side that will hold our own easily next year.
Cork fans are a bitter shower.
The atmosphere was great today.
Richie Winters is a disgrace.
Some of the Cork heads here are a bunch of wumming trolls.
The best team didn't win today but that's not Sligo's fault.
Stephen Paisley is a ledge bag.
Cheesesteak really is a serious poacher.
Roll on March!
Edit:-I notice that El-Pietro has reared his head over on ShelsChat. Seriously, the obsession with us "the bottlers" is incredible. How anyone who saw that game today and cannot criticise Winters needs their head checked.
Not bitter just better.
In fairness to Shels the sending of was very harsh indeed and did ruin the game somewhat. Richie Winter is a dreadful ref and really showed that today. It would have been interesting to see how Shels would've went on had the ref had not sent yer man off. They actually could have won.
Shels weren't robbed.
Sending off was debatable. (I thought it was but meh)
But if he wasn't shown the line Paisley would probably have been shown the line for any one of his half dozen fouls while on a yellow.
As for the penalty thing, he should only do that once before the Shels players complain and it doesn't happen again, as well as upsetting the keeper.
Are Sligo always such a complete pain in the arse to watch btw?? Less cutting edge than the remedial classes scissors, the Arsenal of Ireland, huffing and puffing before finally giving up and doing something stupid.
The Cork fans are actually doing a fantastic job here btw, bites flying in from all angles. :D
Also, will someone explain to me why Shels were much the better team??
Lots of guts and whatever but I can't remember them creating a chance bar that crossbar thingy early on. Sligo had at least 94% of the ball.
They were terrible with it mind.
Aaron Greene. :bulgy:
Agree with comment about great athmosphere. Neutrals really getting value for money last few years with extra time and penalties. A lot of fooball for 10 EURO. Fantastic stadium also so would advise anybody with any interest in football to attend for a final. Bring a child with you as I did and watch their face light up. Better than Christmas day smiles.
In fairness Juan, the lot of ye have gone on very childishly today re us. I'm all for rivalry and banter but there's a line.Quote:
Originally Posted by juan
WE were the better side until the sending off. The sending off was bad enough but it was the rest of his performance which is what hurt more.
He showed no consistency with any of his decisions and just seemed to favour Sligo in every fifty-fifty.
The linesman over the East Stand side may as well not have been there. He only flagged for corners and seemed to forget that he's there to ASSIST the ref. Gormless shtes the lot of them.
Anyway, It's over and done with. This season was all about getting out of the FD. We did that. Now time to move on.
Over passed it surely,then when the ball went to Blinkhorn he blasted it so wide or so far over the bar that it hit the top of the stand or near took out a fan sitting in a corner section.Doyle was no better,a complete let down.Brendan Clarke is prob looking for a new club right now,his manager realy filled him full of confidence today !! ??Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
The linesman over the East Stand side indicated to the ref to give Paisley a second yellow at one stage and the ref ignored him tbf.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
Thought we absolutely murdered them at 11 v 11. After that I think people were just impressed by how well we defended when all expectations would have had them hammer usQuote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
How so??Quote:
Originally Posted by CSFShels
I don't remember much in the way of chance creation, the goal was a result of terrible, terrible defending. Murdered is a bit strong.
Sure why would he? He played the final. All Cook did was bring on his penalty shootout specialist!!Quote:
Originally Posted by bullit
where have I heard the number 94 before?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
Specialist me arse, he had to be 3-4 yards off his line.Quote:
Originally Posted by monkey9
I though my post was quite moderate over there, i stated my opinion about the red card, which fair enough very few people seem to agree with, and agreed that the panalties were a joke and that the ref was shocking.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
I was bored at work to be honest and there wasnt much happening here or over on our forum.
We're not bitter at all, we just really don't like Shelbourne. Thats football
Well from a player's perspective i would be going mad,i would take it personal,maybe Clarke is not as easlily pished off as me :)Quote:
Originally Posted by monkey9
YeSSSSSS.
Just back - work in the morn, so had a look in.
OK - ye played with 10 men for vast majority of the game and obviously not a vintage performance by Bit-a-Red - but with exception of the header off the bar and -- the goal for Shels came after a poor clearance by McGuinness (his only mistake) and a keeper not coming out for high ball when Philly Cheesecake took a goal -- Shels weren't potent.
Shels, ye had 10 men on the pitch most of them in your six yard box for the majority of the game.
Rovers missed Joey. Dillon was put into the wrong position and shouldn't have come off for Blinks who had a nightmare. Doyle was poor and Ryan was apathetic and with Ventre not creative we had not midfield platform.
As for the haters, apparently Cook has made a few new signings for new season -- three years, three finals, and this year runners-up in league, he must be doing something right.
Couldn't believe the poor Shels fan turn out -- really poor.
I though the sending off was probably harsh, but in fairness, the first yellow was for a cynical block and if the ref (who was poor) that Shels player had simulated, well, bye, bye. Sligo lost to Shams in 1970s final for an obvious dive -- so cheats do prosper. That said its hard to know what was his true intention, because he looked stunned, but I put it down to his disbelief that gamble hadn't paid off -- biased, but there you go.
Also, Paisley should have been sent off, flying into tackles with eyes closed and also flying into tackles backwards -- I kid you not. No wonder he wears a gumshield.
That said, Shels grafted and were well organised. However, unlike your poster stated, not quite partying like its 1939!!
Good to see camaraderie amongst players and staff before penos.
If you think winning a penalty shoot-out is winning by default then you've completely misunderstood the meaning of the word 'default.' Sligo won the shoot-out because they were technically better. Same as they won it last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by bullit
I thought it was an OK game. It's impossible to know for sure, but I don't think Sligo would have scored if Clancy hadn't been sent off. Shels were heroic with 10 men but they did leave a lot of space at times and Davoran would never have been that far forward with a gaping hole in front of him if it was 11 v 11.
I don't think anyone should really be surprised by Sligo's performance. It was the same last year, same in the game against the Ukrainian side. They pride themselves on their style of football - and they do play some very good stuff - but they lack the cutting edge to score goals on big occasions. I thought they might have cured that after a great performance in Tallaght but then they went and fouled up against Pats.
I think we all expected Richie Winter to make the game about himself but I wasn't expecting a performance that inept. It just wasn't a yellow card. You expect a minimum level of performance from a referee and that was miles off. Shels can feel very hard done by - they'll be a good side next season if they can keep their best players.
Ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
If i can be crude, "technically better" me hole.GK near on top of the ball for every pen !! So that is "technically better".:rolleyes:
The "default" statement was more a shot at the slig's more than anything so we won't get into that one.
He said he knew the substitution was going to happen as it was planned all week in case the need arose and that the gold medal is what it's all about!Quote:
Originally Posted by bullit
Regardless of the keeper being off his line, they were poor penalties. All of Sligo's were superb.Quote:
Originally Posted by bullit
Dont disagree with you Monkey,all i'm saying is that if i was playin' i would go crazy if i was hauled off after playing well all game. I would be a packie Holden kind of keeper/player.Packie is a wee bit of a hero of mine.Imagine trying to haul Packie off yon field ?? Clarke should have been proud enough to say "listen boss,i can finish this,i have done well all year and i am ready,leave it to me Cookie" :DQuote:
Originally Posted by monkey9
Was at the match. Seated in the upper east stand on the half way line. Despite you outnumbering the Shels fans 3-1, they out sang you for most of the matchQuote:
Originally Posted by shellyriver
They did. Most of the Sligo fans were 'up for the day' types. Gah refugees.Quote:
Originally Posted by ger121
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Originally Posted by sonofstan
As were most of the Shels fans
I'm not sure it's called 'up for the day' when you're traveling from the other side of the city.
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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Day trippers were my point. Or do you think Shels get that size crowd at all their games?
Ah Guys, be realistic. from the stats of regular attendances at airtricity league games most cup finals here are attended by fans "up for the day". lots of people would like to attend more games to support their club but other factors dictate otherwise. work committements, family, required time to leave to travel to a game and return time home, not to mention actual cost of the day out if you have to travel 60-70 miles or more each way,etc etc. I estimate that to really support your team AT the game you need 5 or 6 hours on match day. Anybody with partner and kids will tell you that they feel obliged to spend that quality time doing other IMPORTANT things like shopping, babysitting, kids homework, not to mention all the other jobs around the house that need attending to... Life is so unfair... if only we didn't need to work :) Quick, today is Monday, Monday Millions time :)
Initial thoughts without having seen any of the coverage since
- Thought it was a penalty at the time and was worried that Winter was about to send our player off when it happened. Sounds like it may not have been a penalty or a dive going by the comments here
- We can be a very frustrating team to watch at times. A lot of the times.
- Blinkhorn is born to miss. But we knew that beforehand.
- Struggle to think of any of our players who played to their potential. Maybe Blinkhorn!
- Shels did some amount of time wasting
- Kelly was a mile off his line for the first penalty save. Took a few seconds before I started celebrating as I thought it would have to be retaken. Going by what I'm reading here looks like that was the case for all the penalties
- Paisley should have been sent off
- No need for Ventre on the pitch against 10 men
- Delighted for Richie Ryan after missing last years final
- We created much more chances but as usual didn't take half of them
- God knows how many of that squad are going to be around next season. The silly season starts in earnest now. Hope we don't go mad in signing players trying to win the league as Shams just have to much money coming in to be able to match them without losing a fortune
- I'll never get sick of winning the cup
The same side of the city actually - same neighbourhood, virtually: Ringsend was decorated with Shels flags and emblems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Is it the amount if games that Cork (insert second name here) would like to play before they fold again???Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
Wow! and I thought we were bad losers.
Take your medicine Mathews, you had your day of glory when Shams won the league. We've all been on the end of some bad decisions (and it was a wrong decision imo).
That was the worst we have played all season (bar UCD away), but nobody "deserves" anything in football. You have to win games and we took our penalties well when the heat was on.
Disappointing for the two or three hundred Shels fans there alright. Couldn't make it across the road to the stadium?