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The Board don't want to fire him - I am presuming (apologies for that) that is because they don't have the cash to buy him out, or don't want to go looking for it. From my perspective, the supporter-run Management Committee had to be seen to take some stance after the club had lost 18 games (17 league and 1 in Cup) on the bounce. That is now 19 games after Friday night. They are trying to pressurise the board into sacking a manager who has presided over that run. That was as much as they could do as his contract is with the Board, not the MC. I don't think that is particularly skullduggery-like - would anyone here put up with a run like that from their team?
The thing is, I can't see who would come in to take over, even until the end of the season. As far as I know, the only person locally with the required PRO licence is former Mervue United manager Tom French, who was on the shortlist for the job after Jeff Kenna left, but was beaten to the position by Ian Foster. Johnny Glynn doesn't have the necessary qualifications (meaning a completed A Licence and acceptance onto the PRO course AFAIK), and I wouldn't want him either as I don't rate him as a manager. Ski McGee (GOOD GOD NO) is in the same boat, as is Mike Quirke (legend of a left back for us, assistant at Salthill Devon last year and this). So IF the MC do get rid of Connor . . . who comes in in his place??
At this stage I'd reckon its a case of getting Connor to step down without a massive payoff and just getting any person with said qualifications just to finish out the season. Doesn't matter who it is so long as the club survives.Quote:
Originally Posted by WoodquayBoy
But that's just it - who in their right mind would come near the place??
The manager has proved extremely hard to work with. He lost the dressing room months back in drogheda and everyone of the mc to a man cant trust him.
Now when you cant trust working with someone it gets very difficult. Everyone can have arguments etc but people just dont believe a word the man says, he constantly undermines people, calls the mc yellow but funnily enough hasnt the balls to tell this t to the mc faces. He blames everyone for his woes and unbelievably accepted a mad contract including the biggest payroll increase of any man on the island of ireland this year despite it coming from the man who hadnt paid him the previous 5 months.
Its a sideshow anyway at this stage THE MC are saving a club, The manager is saving himself if he came out with the reason he is hanging on you would have more respect for the man . Any local man would die of embarrassment with that set of results. He was well aware of the basket case he came into
Funny how the MNS guys didn't mention Leeson when apportioning blame. Either they're entirely ignorant of what they were talking about (nothing new there) or don't have the balls to say it.
They didnt bother doing any proper background investigation into the roles of the Board who have dissappeared for the last 9 months and Gust & the MC who are trying to keep the show on the road. Having a mercenary like stuey Byrne talking about it was even more galling and as for Johnny Glynn I wont even go there. They should have interviewed one of the local Journalists who know the full story and not just the soundbytes we had tonight. No other club in the country would have kept a manager with the record Connor has this season and it all goes back to him lacerating his own players after they had got a point in Hunky Dory last MARCH !!
ahhahah Mahon does that when we win ffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by gufct
[QUOTE=gufct;1512106] Having a mercenary like stuey Byrne talking about it was even more galling
[QUOTE=Cuyahoga;1512113]He is no more a mercenary than most other loi players.Quote:
Originally Posted by gufct
BRING BACK TONY MANNION ! Best local based manager the club has ever had, 3 times !
What about John McIntyre?Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry
There's no such thing as a mercenary in the LOI. These people make below the average industrial wage to do what they love.Quote:
Originally Posted by gufct
And have to put up with clubs promising to pay wages they can't afford, then trying to cut deals when they eventually fold. Not only this, the players then get slated for it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
We kept Doolin after we lost the first nine games of the 2003 season and were pretty much relegation certs. We couldn't afford to get rid of him (until Drogheda took him off our hands). That's what it comes down to at times.Quote:
Originally Posted by gufct
They do now. Stuey Byrne didn't always.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Doesn't detract from the fact he was a professional and was entitled to earn as much as he could for himself. And unlike some, I'm fairly certain he approached his job in the same manner, regardless of how much he was paid
Its a sideshow anyway at this stage THE MC are saving a club, The manager is saving himself if he came out with the reason he is hanging on you would have more respect for the man . Any local man would die of embarrassment with that set of results. He was well aware of the basket case he came into[/QUOTE]
He's hanging around to ensure you honour his contact with him and he's dead right
If no one has the money to pay him off, it was a stupid move by the management committee. Still, I guess with the players released, they needed a new hate figure. So far this season it's been Revenue, Leeson, Players, Manager. If they don't slow down, someone will actually have to take responsibility!
Never hated the Revenue the fault with the tax clearence Cert lay more at the FAI's door than anyone else. The MC are working with their hands tied behind their back due to 3 deals Ewan did in the last 3 days before he left.The MC are also the only ones raising finance and paying Creditors the Board havent been paying anything since before the end of last season.
The Trader is not gone away as thanks to him SC is contracted to the board of directors of which he is one but no one has seen or heard from him since he cleared his bunker in Terryland.
Nobody is trying to play the blame the game, the MC are just trying to ensure that those who have left us in this mess are held responsible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
Revenue- The club had things in order, they just didn't issue the tax clearance cert in time.
Leeson- need we say anything here
Players- Nobody has been blaming the players, it was the best squad that could be cobbled together for the money that was available. Some of them were limited in ability but still didn't deserve to be lambasted after the match in Hunky Dorys Park in April.
Manager- Its just come to the stage where he can't do anything more with this group. We haven't got as much as a draw since his outburst in Drogheda. Indeed I wasn't aware of some of the things that were going on behind the scenes until one of the MC members told some of the antics that were going on behind the scenes.
I don't think people here actually understand how hard the MC have worked to ensure we get a team on the pitch every week.
Way of the mark! Any contract is with the club. SC is contracted to Galway United FCQuote:
Originally Posted by gufct
I hope you can see that this is not how it appears. "Blame" and "responsibility" are subtle differences of interpretation.Quote:
Originally Posted by gufc2000
Hard work and well thought out actions can often be very different. I really can't figure out how the statement by the MC is going to improve the situation at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by gufc2000
Do you think the general Galway public will rally to the cause of the club with this sort of very public rift within the ranks?
He's hanging around to ensure you honour his contact with him and he's dead right[/QUOTE]Quote:
Originally Posted by passerrby
The manager is in a crises. He doesnt like the outcome of professional measurement on a weekly basis. None of us do but in work it happens.
He will stay as long as the board say so, He wants the mc gone because he thinks the board do a better job managing from far off fields and by phone.
The thing is the MC are lining up to carry minimum 200k debt into the future if the remnants of the board manage to do a debt deal and resolve their debt issues and with that coming down there is no way a club in the first division can sustain both.
They cant have their cake and eat it.
The MC are on a new roadway and whilst committed to the future and prepared to take on the remaining debt its important this is all done and dusted this season and not carried over the winter. Something will give, it has to.
In the meantime we now have a real club full of people prepared to square up to any undermining or financial manoevres.
The Galway United Academy will evolve and if it has to be the FC United of Galway academy for a few years so be it but people better make up their minds what they want . In the meantime we will continue putting a team on the pitch and getting to the end of season
And who do you think owns the club? The directors. Waaaaaaaaaaayyyy off the mark my Lilywhite friendQuote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
Doesn't mean he's contracted to the directors though. If the directors all left, he'd still have a contract with the club.
Im afraid your way off the mark with the first part his contract is with Galway United F.C. Limited which is owned lock stock and barrell by the board of directors. GUST would not and did not take a shareholding in this Company as there are debts in the region of €1.2m of which the Majority is Bank Debt Guarenteed by the self same board.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
The MC is made up entirely of members of the Trust who got involved to save the club and are all fans who work voluntarily and the clubs entire budget now is less that the administration budget when the trader was involved.
The majority of people in galway do support the mc as they know the mountain of **** we faced when we agreed to take over the big problem is the trader being involved on the board.
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Originally Posted by WoodquayBoy
and so we come back to square 1 - Any contract is with the club and not personally with the directors as an entity distinct from the club. SC is contracted to Galway United FCQuote:
Originally Posted by gufct
I am not suggesting that the Trust / MC members are anything other then decent and hardworking people. I just don't get the strategy behind the statement or what the MC expect it to achieve.Quote:
Originally Posted by gufct
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Originally Posted by gufct
I presume that you mean the majority of regular supporters? Clearly the wider support and goodwill of the people of Galway is badly needed in the current situation.
Faction fighting and in-house turmoil rarely galvanises the lukewarm interests of the community
Someone better tell Seanie as his mainline is he is not answerable to the MC and his contract is with the board.
Only 1 member of the board has been doing anything to sort out the mess and that was the main reason in bringing out the statement. The board has fannied about for the last 18 months without anyone controlling the manager and former CEO and direct action was the only way to get them to walk up to the plate.
Are you on the MC? because you're babbling here.
Seriously, I wish you nothing but good luck, but your posts here only come across as bitter and confusing.
If this is the type of stuff Connor has to defend himelf against, he'll easily get his money IMO
I'm beginning to think that this was a poorly conceived and badly thought out statement that was issued out of frustration and pique by the MC/GUST.
Seannie dismisses the MC on the basis that he is answerable to the Board. The MC/GUST are annoyed with Seannie and disillusioned with the Board who wont do what MC/GUST want.
"Direct Action", "Walk up to the plate", "appropriate action by the directors" is all fine and dandy as rethoric, but surely this is just leading to a mad scramble to pay off the remainder of Seannie's contract before the next licensing application is considered.
thats twadle you hired him (and by that i mean galway united) he is under contact to galway and is not going to jump because of a vote of no confidence he will want his money and who could blame him.Quote:
Originally Posted by geezer
If Seannie is contracted to some "Board of Directors" and not to galway united, then why the F**k are the MC paying him? I really believe ye havn't a clue what ye're at.
As far as the FAI and the licence is concerned Galway United FC Limited is Galway United FC for now. Certainly in terms of all responsibilities, budgets and contracts.Quote:
Originally Posted by gufct
It's irrelevant if the MC has any shares in the company. The board own the company, the board are allowing the MC to run the club for them.
He is not contracted to the board, he is contracted to the company and club. However, from his point of view, his bosses are the people who hired him e.g. the board. If he's acting up for the MC then the board need to put him in his place, explain to management structures of the company, and warn him if he doesn't comply.
Is he really on a 3 year contract? I cant understand why he would have warranted that coming on the back of a poor enough season and 12 mth contract with us. The man is a bit of a gangster, and total bluffer, but I cant see anyway out for GUFC in this situation other than to agree a settlement.
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by oriel
The former CEO signed it shortly before he stepped down.
Did he get his wages cut same as the players?
Survival update...
Progress is being made on the amount required to get to seasons end we still have a target of €39000 to bag. Knights Of Leon, Poker night, shop street stand, Maroon Army, Cormacs Tours, Car boots and Lotto commencing soon so just a reminder for all to keep focused. If we can draw with Derry and attract a good crowd to the Shamrock rovers game 2 weeks after we could get under the 30k mark
The next 2 weeks are crucial as well as its a two week gap because of the break so come on
dont worry the funds arent going to the pockets of the dublin based friends of the lazy mns couch pundits anymore who dont bother to get two sides of any story.
but thankfully Emmet Malone had a very balanced article in the paper of record the Irish Times on Tuesday
Keep focused and thanks for your opinions, help and of course your fundraising collection activities.
Galway Bay Hotel, Galway Shopping Centre deserve a big thanks for help in the last few weeks , support these business
also thanks to Limerick, Cork and other LOI sides fans for coming to games in solidarity your €12 made a huge difference
This post has been edited by geezer: Today, 09:51 PM
SC hasn't taken any pay cut.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lep
Is he being paid?
suffered reduced wages to be fair, and deferred payment whilst he carried out his instructions to move on players that couldnt be afforded no longer. He done this and then requested to be paid in full once they had left as he had reduced the weekly wage bill. He is out money as well and has suffered so that has to be acknowledged. Once it was agreed that there was 54% wage cuts required on the 6th of june just to survive he naturally resisted but also had to consider protecting his own income and carried out his instructions from the MC and both parties moved them on.
This of course has been followed by further riding instructions and naturally the elastic is tight so its then he went to the board and began to baulk at the weekly measurements v contract and riding instructions being issued to him by the MC and since the MC were authorised to manage him directly after the 6th of june.
There are good reasons why the board dont approve of no confidence motions at a time they are trying to reduce liabilities and they dont need a court case for unpaid contracts and adding to the debt, but people, directors, manager have to be accountable in this business weekly and actions minuted, recorded and measured and reducing liabilities talks or preparing the ground so any agreements can be paid cant go on forever as when agreements are made its the MC who will be taking on the legacy debts which could be north of 200k over 20 years and this cant be done unless costs are reduced.
MC has also to tick off boxes to be ready for any licence process in the winter and need to push now for certainty on this and get agreements quickly, complete the fixtures or just throw the hat at it and maybe the Local FA or someone will show leadership and Pull all the strands of soccer together in Galway and use the €200k the two galway based 1st division clubs and the €200k GUFC spend per year and pool it together with arm wrenching by the FAI and Local Fa asa positive forward looking Connacht Rugby will attract up all the young kids in the west because of apathy created by fractious footballing culture in Galway
Pressure to survive for the MC and pressure for results on the managers part have resulted in a fork in the road. This will be resolved He will be told to comply with management instructions one way or the other like all Professional managers in any industry.
Its my own opinion now and hindsight is easy, i was happy to close my ears to Dundalk upset at the time that we were fudged into the premier, were never properly prepared are far from a premier outfit and all we can hope is to go back to basics , start an academy and hold on to the LOI licence that permits us to play in the 1st division and come back on merit... football merit
So going by the above and Mr Maroon's post, does it mean that not all at GUST knows whats actually happening?