Cork City denied a licence; club to be wound up; FORAS to enter First Division

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Originally Posted by micls

I never said any differently. I'm just clarifying.

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"We dont have to convince a judge, just the revenue." infers that Revenue would be easier to deal with than the Judge.

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Originally Posted by Buile Shuibhne

"We dont have to convince a judge, just the revenue." infers that Revenue would be easier to deal with than the Judge.

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No, it doesn't.

The 'just' refers to only having to convince one party rather than 2 given the judge will go with the revenues decision.

Someone stated we had to convince a judge, Im clarifying we don't. If you're reading something else into that, then that's your own issue.

I must admit I am really confused by the current suggested developments.

I can understand that Cork fans have enormous emotional attachment to the current club, especially the players and staff, and from a short term perspective would like to remain in existence and rebuild from within the premier division.

But I wonder does this emotion cloud judgement, and if the better alternative (short, medium and long term) is to re-start debt free with a FORAS run entity in the A Championship.

Perhaps this will all be irrelevant shortly - I am curious to know what the attitudes are from within FORAS.

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Originally Posted by Ezeikial

I must admit I am really confused by the current suggested developments.

I can understand that Cork fans have enormous emotional attachment to the current club, especially the players and staff, and from a short term perspective would like to remain in existence and rebuild from within the premier division.

But I wonder does this emotion cloud judgement, and if the better alternative (short, medium and long term) is to re-start debt free with a FORAS run entity in the A Championship.

Perhaps this will all be irrelevant shortly - I am curious to know what the attitude are from within FORAS.

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The attitude within FORAS is to do everything possible to save the company today. Then work towards taking it over

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Originally Posted by micls

The attitude within FORAS is to do everything possible to save the company today. Then work towards taking it over

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Are there any dissenting voices on this strategy?

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Originally Posted by Ezeikial

Are there any dissenting voices on this strategy?

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No. There are of course people who think it might be better for the compan to be liquidated, some that arent sure etc, but everyone has rowed in behind this for the 2 days that was in it.

We can worry about everything else afterwards.

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Originally Posted by micls

We can worry about everything else afterwards.

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do you not think thats exactly the reason ccfc are in the trouble there in

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Originally Posted by passerrby

do you not think thats exactly the reason ccfc are in the trouble there in

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Eh, no. I think we're in the trouble we're in because we have a langer in charge who made the club unsustainable and insolvent with the highest budget in the league.

I don't see how saying that worrying about our possible a championship team next season can wait til after a courtcase which will decide if we need to go that route is in any way comparable.

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Originally Posted by micls

No. There are of course people who think it might be better for the compan to be liquidated, some that arent sure etc, but everyone has rowed in behind this for the 2 days that was in it.

We can worry about everything else afterwards.

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If all within FORAS are rowing in behind this approach, even if some disagree, it says alot about the members that will put unity ahead of ego.

I wish you well, admire your passion as a group, and trust that whatever way the ball bounces, that Cork City will be a stronger, more sustainable club when it come out the other side

Is'nt there strickter penalties for clubs in Cork's position now.20 pts deduction etc.I assume they will also be putting out a youth team for the rest of the season.Thats IF they survive and IF they dont relegated.I DONT want to see them go out of business but there has to be repercussion's.

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Originally Posted by eamo1

Is'nt there strickter penalties for clubs in Cork's position now.20 pts deduction etc.I assume they will also be putting out a youth team for the rest of the season.Thats IF they survive and IF they dont relegated.I DONT want to see them go out of business but there has to be repercussion's.

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Afaik the points deductions are for going into examinership i.e. not paying all of your bills, and are on a sliding scale based on how much you pay.

If we go into liquidation its slightly irrelevant and if not we'll have to pay all the bills so I don't see where the deduction would come in as it stands at the moment.

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Originally Posted by eamo1

Is'nt there strickter penalties for clubs in Cork's position now.20 pts deduction etc.

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That was for entering examinership wasn't it? Realistically, the FAI can't deduct points for clubs being taken to court, however serious it might be, if they come out of it intact.

Put back to 12.55 :(

Our offer:
Letter from the FAI, letter from Celtic and €220,000.

FAI will run the Celtic friendly to ensure money goes to the Revenue.

Judge put it to the Revenue who will return at 12.55pm with an answer.

From someone in court:
Justice LaFoy has asked the revenue to re consider their position she sounds ****ed with them for not playing ball.
No talk of a takeover,
Letters from Echo and Beamish confirming bringing forward payments totalling 53k,
Letter from FAI stating they will run the Celtic game and pass all payments to the revenue,
Letter from Celtic confirming game,
The revenue are acting like p****s but the last thing revenue said was that they hear what the judge is saying.
That legal speak that I will try and get them to change the attitude.
LAfOY SAID and agreed that there is a fundamental change of circumstances it sounds good

Someone from the court again:
sorry thats 35k not 53,
they have bank drfts for 210k in court + the 10k vat credit, our man is playing a stormer LaFOY is playing a stormer she said she cant force revenue to do a deal but if they did the would not look soft in her or anybody else's eys
ops i am shaking again

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Originally Posted by micls

From someone in court:
Justice LaFoy has asked the revenue to re consider their position she sounds ****ed with them for not playing ball.
No talk of a takeover,
Letters from Echo and Beamish confirming bringing forward payments totalling 53k,
Letter from FAI stating they will run the Celtic game and pass all payments to the revenue,
Letter from Celtic confirming game,
The revenue are acting like p****s but the last thing revenue said was that they hear what the judge is saying.
That legal speak that I will try and get them to change the attitude.
LAfOY SAID and agreed that there is a fundamental change of circumstances it sounds good

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Sounds like Coughlan is getting a bailout to be perfectly honest.

Personally i think this is bad news for Cork. You'll be here again in 3 months, only then no one, Judge or revenue will have time for you and there'll be no stay or 2nd chance and Coughlan will still be a w@nker

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Originally Posted by Hairy Bowsie

Personally i think this is bad news for Cork. You'll be here again in 3 months, only then no one, Judge or revenue will have time for you and there'll be no stay or 2nd chance and Coughlan will still be a w@nker

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Aye. Is the club supposed to live on gate receipts and fundraisers for the rest of the season?

From my mate court side.

11.12 cork trying every little trick to keep going. She doesn't want to wind them up but her hands may be tied

11.15 back to 2 o'clcok. She's urging revenue to reconsider their position. Looking a bit better for them but revenue still playing hardball

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Originally Posted by Hairy Bowsie

Personally i think this is bad news for Cork. You'll be here again in 3 months, only then no one, Judge or revenue will have time for you and there'll be no stay or 2nd chance and Coughlan will still be a w@nker

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That's 3 months we have to strengthen the supporters trust and be in a better position come that day.

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Originally Posted by Dodge

From my mate court side.

11.12 cork trying every little trick to keep going. She doesn't want to wind them up but her hands may be tied

11.15 back to 2 o'clcok. She's urging revenue to reconsider their position. Looking a bit better for them but revenue still playing hardball

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Definitely 2? We were told 12.55

Ive a wedding at 1.30 :o

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Originally Posted by Dodge

From my mate court side.

11.12 cork trying every little trick to keep going. She doesn't want to wind them up but her hands may be tied

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Her hands will be tied unless the Revenue compromise.

Just shows what a useless **** to Cork City that Michael Martin is as a minister. A few phonecalls would do the trick.

I am sure that Dundalk FC would not be without "friends" in the same situation. ;)

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Originally Posted by micls

Definitely 2? We were told 12.55

Ive a wedding at 1.30 :o

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FFS, re-schedule. Priorities!

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Originally Posted by micls

Ive a wedding at 1.30 :o

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Cos no-one's ever late for a wedding.

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Originally Posted by White Horse

FFS, re-schedule. Priorities!

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Re-schedule the wedding :D I would be it's not my wedding....

I had planned to go to the ceremony then feck off to celebrate/mope and for the game.

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Originally Posted by White Horse

I am sure that Dundalk FC would not be without "friends" in the same situation. ;)

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Maxi....

I kid before anyway gets too uppity about that!:D

Im assuming that possibily in a few weeks/months when Galway Utd are in a similar position to Cork that the FAI will help us out aswell.They bailed out Drogs and now effectively Cork too.

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Originally Posted by White Horse

Her hands will be tied unless the Revenue compromise.

Just shows what a useless **** to Cork City that Michael Martin is as a minister. A few phonecalls would do the trick.

I am sure that Dundalk FC would not be without "friends" in the same situation. ;)

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given the recent history of this country, I think intervention from FF ministers may be the last thing the LoI needs.

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Originally Posted by eamo1

Im assuming that possibily in a few weeks/months when Galway Utd are in a similar position to Cork that the FAI will help us out aswell.They bailed out Drogs and now effectively Cork too.

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Im sure, if ye've a friendly for them to run they'll be happy to help.

Just another summary from the Court off our Forum

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Originally Posted by charliesboots;

Just back from Court, sorry if it's posted already but -


Revenue are still playing hard ball. Judge Laffoy is urging them to take instructions and suggesting (as much as she can) that they change their stance. If they don't and insist on it all then Cork are gone.

Judge even went as far as to say to counsel for the revenue that it wouldn't be seen as soft if the revenue accepted the offer as Cork had gone to serious lengths. She doesn't want to wind them up but her hands may be tied.

Cork had in court:

- €210k in bank drafts;
- €10k credit with revenue
- letter from CEO of Celtic confirming friendly;
- letter from Delaney saying the FAI will run the friendly including ticket sales and they'll pay all monies directly to revenue. It also said that future prize money would be held back from Cork and paid to the revenue;
- letter from Evening Echo confirming they'll pay €11k in sponsorship not due until 30th September;
- letter from Heineken saying they'll pay €25k in sponsorship not due til later in the year.

You at least have a shot now which I didn't think you would. Back to 12.55 to see what revenue want to do.

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it definately looks like a bailout by the FAI.

But if it is a case that the FAI are running the friendly and will hand the proceeds to the revenue surely this is a clear indication that the FAI do not trust Tom to hand over the money to the revenue from the friendly.

the one thing that needs to happen is you get the plank out of there....

Fair play to Celtic, the FAI, the Echo and Heineken for stepping in to help. Says it all though that the FAI would have to guarantee to make sure all prize money and gate receipts go to the revenue. Pretty much an admission that CCFC cannot be trusted to hand the money over.

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Originally Posted by Joseph McSweene

Just another summary from the Court off our Forum

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Would this not be the time for FORAS (is that the right name?) to put forward the money they have built up?

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Originally Posted by eamo1

They bailed out Drogs

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How did the FAI bail us out?

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Originally Posted by Mr A

Fair play to Celtic, the FAI, the Echo and Heineken for stepping in to help. Says it all though that the FAI would have to guarantee to make sure all prize money and gate receipts go to the revenue. Pretty much an admission that CCFC cannot be trusted to hand the money over.

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The reason why they are in this prediciment(sp?) is because they can't be trusted.

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Originally Posted by Steve Bruce

Would this not be the time for FORAS (is that the right name?) to put forward the money they have built up?

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FORAS can not hand over any money at this stage. There is due process to be followed and we would have to call a meeting and ballot members, which takes 8 days notice.

We offered to do this the saturday before last and were told the money wasnt needed and it would be a 'waste of time' so that option is off the table

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Originally Posted by Steve Bruce

Would this not be the time for FORAS (is that the right name?) to put forward the money they have built up?

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I can't see FORAS handing over any money until Coughlan's gone, to be honest. There's no guarantees cork won't be in this position again in a couple of months (player sales aside).

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Originally Posted by Celdrog

How did the FAI bail us out?

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Presumably by promoting Galway ahead of Dundalk :D


BTW its 12.55, not 2pm

Sorry for the mistake

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Presumably by promoting Galway ahead of Dundalk :D


BTW its 12.55, not 2pm

Sorry for the mistake

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I'll take the blame for that. She was going to put it back to 2 but both Counsel are in another matter at 2 in a different court