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fully agree. While i appreciate the candour and passion of the UCD fans on this messageboard, that amount of fans is shameful.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingdomkerry
How UCD (footie club) cannot appeal to the students there in an effective way is beyond me.
Beyond us too. I'm in the US at the moment, and people here are signficiantly more supportive of their university teams. Some horrible cultural difference has us hamstrung.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
As for us not being allowed into the Premier, that's pathetic protectionism. If the other clubs can beat us on the pitch (preferably with a squad they can afford), then we'll be in the lower division(s). People talk about small ambitions in this league, but the idea of selecting clubs according to attendence would be met with derision in England.
Fingal V Wexford
Attendance announced as 456
Extratime.ie has attendance as 542
absolutely agree with that John83 but some agressive marketing/advertising/promoting is badly needed in belfield. Have you looked into moving to Thursday nights for home games? I dont know if you have but, in my mind, that combined with some free passes to the SU or sports bar or free beers or a local nightclub or something might get more bodies through the stiles...Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
Yeah, all of it. We've tried Thursday, Saturday, even Sunday afternoons. We're hampered further by the fact that the college has banned clubs and societies from advertising drinks promotions for the past few years. Believe me, we discussed all of this with our last CPO and with club officials before that. A lot of things have been tried. Feck all difference though. Not helped either by the fact that students are subjected to a saturation of advertising for events from every society you can think of.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
No attendance announced at Waterford Vs Shels game.
No idea how they would calculate one anyway.
I drove into the the carpark for which I was charged €30 euro - 2 persons in the car - asked for tickets but told there were none. Maybe 60 to 70 cars in the car park?
Some of our supporters who walked thru the turnstiles were charged either €10 or €15 per adult on an ad hoc basis - again no tickets issued.
No admission charges were on display either.
My own guesstimate attendance would be circa 800
Yawn on the usual BS about UCD.
160 was my rough count in the second half (with many leaving after seeing their offspring play at half time). Sh!t crowd, but we're not the only ones, blah blah blah. Oh, and we're top of the league with those sh!t crowds. Must be doing something right.
fair enough John83, thanks for the clarification.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
Pineapple Stu, youre quick to point out the problems of every other club regarding finances etc so im surprised that youre not more gracious or accepting of people pointing out UCD's problems.
Like it or not, a crowd of 160 turning out to see you play, given the amount of bodies in Belfield and surrounding areas, is atrocious and a problem worth highlighting. But i get the impression from your post that as long as UCD are top of the league, youre happy.
You did, I assume, see the bit where I repeatedly called it a sh!t crowd? I'll say it again, if you like. It was a sh!t crowd.
It's somewhat annoying that, when the figures are so low, people can't get within 50% of the figure.
Crowds have nothing to do with whether a club should be in the Premier, though.
you did, i assume, see the bit where i agreed with John on that point? I'll say it again, if you like. Crowds should not deem whether a club should be in the Premier.
My problem was how you dismissed it saying that you were doing something right as you were top of the league. "Im alright Jack"
We clearly are doing something right if we're top of the league. It's in fact a sad indictment of the rest of the league if they can't keep up with us, and I don't see why this point should be dismissed. Instead, it's focussed on more than it needs to be. Of course our crowds are sh!t. Of course we're constantly trying to improve them (having a CPO in the First Division when we don't need one, for example). But all clubs' crowds are sh!t. And it still irks me that people get our crowd figures so far wrong in percentage terms; it's almost like we're a stereotype of ourselves.
(And you're right; it was kingdom hoop who said we shouldn't be in the Premier; I mixed you two up somehow).
Well said IMOQuote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Ah deja vu. Its seems like it wasnt too long ago that i was defending my club against similar accusation from you about our crowds. It seems Stu can dish it out but cant take it.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
OH. Top of the league after 3 games. Come on man. Its nothing to brag about this early in the league.
Even though the point was taken? It's just not as big a point as many make out, and many exaggerate the crowds too.
(And on SkStu's original point, the issue of appealing to students has been covered many many times here before. It's a case of, when students start in UCD, they either (a) supporting Man U, Chelsea, Liverpool, etc, (b) support St Pat's, Bohs, Cork, etc or (c) don't like football. So the college thing is, to a large extent, a false idol (or some better phrase someone else may think of).
(And for lamper, though I don't recall our debates off pat, I would imagine my issues with Fingal were over (a) over-estimation of potential crowds and (b) going full time on crowds of 500-600. I have frequently defended clubs with small crowds who live within their means)
Not offical yet, but directors said 260 more than Drogs game.
I estimate 3,350
Should be very close.
ps ...........3,462
official!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How did you get the official figure at half four in the morning?!
On the UCD thing: I agree to an extent that it's a lost cause trying to muster up more than a handful of students to go to games - culturally, football in general, never mind LoI football, is off the radar for a most of the student body out there - take a walk around and you'll see lots of rugby shirts and a smaller, but noticeable amount of GAA shirts, but you'll hardly see any of the Prem/Celtic/ Barca/ Milan shirts that you'd see on a walk down most Irish streets. More than any other university here, Belfield is largely fed by private schools - it must be a disconcertingly monocultural place to arrive in for undergrads coming from outside- And those schools play rugby.
Kingdomkerry I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Under 100 at UCD is this fact? Poor enough crowd although i went to a game last year v Bray and Bray must have had over half the crowd in a crowd of less han 200.
2,500 in the Jodi, 1,500- 1,600 in the Connacht side. Others are estimating 4,500 in total.
Good crowd, great atmosphere and credit to both clubs for a quality match. Injury hit Bohs look unstoppable, while Rovers are good enough for a top three finish.
I'd say he got it a lot earlier, only got home to post it at that stage:DQuote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Good crowds at Dalymount, Oriel and the Brandywell last night.
This mornings Star has 4,500 down for Dalymount, and 3,200 for Oriel (no figure for Brandywell).
The same paper gave 3,600 for our match v bohs (4,500)Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrick Dunne
I would say 4,000 would be closer to the mark for last night :
Stand 2/3 full; = 1,000
Shed 2,000
Terracing nr Stand 500
Away 500
I`ll wait for others at the game to comment, and/or dfc.com but last night wasn`t that far off the Bohs game crowd.
Indeed all clubs crowds are sh!t stu, however yours are by far the worst and hamper the league in my view. Fans are the centre of it all, if there is no fans you have to start wondering whats the use. No fans = no club. Now that is my view on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
And stu you really know its getting pathetic when your fighting over 60 people.:rolleyes:
Diffinately over 4,000 in Oriel Park.
I would say that last night's crowd was bigger than that of the Bohs game.
626 I believe were announced for Limerick-Athlone last night, that will most likely be halved for the Monaghan game given the dross we produced
As far as UCD are concerned, and I'm sure this won't be an original idea, but have the club never thought of moving their fixture to Thursday night? More college kids about on that night after all
It used to baffle me too. I still believe that heavily sustained promotion and offers could grow attendances over a medium to long period of time but the club does not have the resources to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
It is more difficult than you think to get the message out there on the campus. A couple of years ago I postered the pillars in the college every Thursday morning (that's when they're cleaned off) on the week of a home game. Within an hour the large societies like B&L and C&E had ripped them off or postered over them. I also approached the SU about helping promote games and was told by the then president that students would be offended by them doing so. It didn't stop them using their resources to poster about Columbian trade unions later that week however. You'd need a body of volunteers on the campus to begin with to get the club's message out there. It's a chicken and egg type situation.
A few officials where saying in the bar after the game last night that they sold more tickets before the game as per usual match night than they did before the Bohs game, id say the crowd was closer to the 3,900 to 4,000 mark. If you look, the terracing to the town side of the stand was jammers, i had to severly barge me way through to get to the jacks at one stage, there where peops standing alont the wall behind the town end goals from the stand side the whole way across to the shed side, there was 3 rows of people standing behind each other the whole way along the wall on the shed side, from corner flag to corner flag.Quote:
Originally Posted by oriel
Shed was absolutly jammers, even the small uncovered sections each side of the she dwhere packed, under the stand was packed, the stand it self was 3/4 full if more but was completly full as there was barely any Drogs in it. Then the away section I was actually diisappointed with the crowd they brought down, they where all in the ground already at 7.15 when we arrived but it looked a tad bit smaller than the Bohs crowd, id say best part of 400-450!
It was considered about a year ago and the CPO discussed it with the fans. I think it was put to a vote of the club committee and they voted against it. I think with the location of the Bowl and a bit of promotion it would be worth a punt but it was tried before and didn't work as far as I know.Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
Has there being any major changes to UCD's attendances since they moved to the bowl?
456 confirmed on Sporting Fingal site.
decent enough crowd in bry last night, i was on boat sides of the pitch throughout the game and could see the stands and there was at least 1200 at it, about 50-60 galway fans down.
How so? Despite their poor crowds, UCD have been able to survive for quite a long time, and not only in the First Division either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Inside Man
The fact that they can survive quite comfortably shows that they don't hamper the league or are not out of place in it.
It is up to other teams to show that the gap in income (from attendances at least) between UCD and (some) other clubs is consistently reflected in results on the field of play, but that is not being done at the moment, certainly at First Division level.
I dont think so, for the Bohs game (4,500) every seat in the stand was taken, last night it was 2/3 full. Then again the shed looked more jammed last night. I still say around the 4,000 mark.Quote:
Originally Posted by SMorgan
Spot on, as ever. Love the way people think that if UCD go down, the league will magically attract thousands to all the gamesQuote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
I don't think there was 4000 last night at Dundalk V Drogheda. I would guess the attendance was about the 3,700 or 3,800 figure.
Really wish Dundalk would release official figure because afaik they do count attendances and have a number 20mins before the end of the match as per FAI rules.
They cant really like season ticket holders dont have their tickets stamped or are given a ticket or whatnot so whose to say every season ticket holder is guna show up to every game, there is no way unless they issue a receipt to everyone that passes through the turnstiles on a given night to get an official figure. But when clubs do give official figures, have any of ye ever wondered why they are always rounded up to the nearest 100 most of the time!ie 3500 or 4000!Quote:
Originally Posted by eamoss
No, that wasn't me -Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
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Originally Posted by kingdomkerry
Stick to the numbers Stu! :)
I don't think anyone is saying that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge