He should be playing with the 21s against Estonia in Tallaght on the 10th, so that should be interesting. The Everton game against Sligo is the 8th, so I'm wondering will he feature at all?Quote:
Originally Posted by backtowalsall
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He should be playing with the 21s against Estonia in Tallaght on the 10th, so that should be interesting. The Everton game against Sligo is the 8th, so I'm wondering will he feature at all?Quote:
Originally Posted by backtowalsall
David Moyes is an idiot
Why? .
The general consensus I got from reading Everton fan forums recently was that fans felt Coleman wasnt ready for Premiership football just yet. Towards the latter part of his spell with Blackpool he began to neglect his defensive duties in favour of a gung-ho attitude. This was clearly evident in both legs of the play off semi final against Notts Forest (esp. the 1st leg) where the left winger gave him a torrid time. While he clearly has great potential. to throw him straight into premier league action now is a bit risky. Moyes knows what he is doing. I think in the long run he realises Coleman will be a better option than Hibbert at right back but it is important that he protects him and introduces him gradually into the set up, fine tuning his defensive technique along the way. Moyes has a great track record of introducing youngsters at the right time and at the right pace, just look atQuote:
Originally Posted by pauliek
Wayne Rooney, Leon Osman, James Vaughan, Victor Anichebe and Jack Rodwell
If he's not ready to play in the Premiership then he should be loaned out to a club in the Championship. He clearly proved last season that he was more than ready to play at that level.
Well, is he making the bench? It's a long season so I doubt Moyes will loan him out if he considers him good enough for his squad.
I wouldn't bet against him being Everton's starting right full by the end of the season.
If he's more than ready to play in the Championship, then he'd be better off on loan at a mid table Premier League side (Stoke? Sunderland?) to continue his educationQuote:
Originally Posted by Colbert Report
Was on the bench at the weekend, didn't come on though.Quote:
Originally Posted by irishfan86
Everton are playing Huddersfield tomorrow night in the League Cup, I'd expect him to play in that
I think sometimes people expect young players to develop into the finished article instantly.From what I can see Moyes is going about the development of Coleman is 100% the right way. He got a couple of games for Everton last season, he was then sent out on a very successful loan and now he is part of a very good Premiership squad where he will work his way into the first team eventually.
Much like the James McCarthy thread where there are calls for him to be in the starting line up for us immediately I just think we need to be a bit more patient.
David Moyes sees Coleman everyday in training and I would trust his judgement more than anyone on here to know when the lad is ready
When Hibbert and Neville are ahead of ya is must be hard to stay sane
You've quite clearly never played the game to any degree.Quote:
Originally Posted by pauliek
On a side not, Hibbert would be another player who has come through the youth ranks at Everton. He's a very steady if unspectacular full back. Phil Neville on the other hand has played at the highest level for the last decade; very good player.
They're both good defenders, and it makes sense to balance out an attacking full back like Baines with a more solid defender on the opposite side.
agree, far better than his much higher rated brotherQuote:
Originally Posted by livehead1
starts tonight against Huddersfield.
anyone watching this? How is he playing?Quote:
It remains Everton 3-1 Huddersfield despite Seamas Coleman being dumped on his backside by Lee Peltier in the Huddersfield box - the Town defender seeing red card as a result - as Johnny Heitinga sees his spot-kick saved by Ian Bennett. Hope for Huddersfield?
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Seamus Coleman's cross finds Leon Osman, and the onrushing Everton midfielder makes no mistake with his header. So much for any potential Cupsets
just seen the goals on Sky Sports news. He was taken down for a penalty for Everton which they missed and he set up the last goal with a super cross to the back post. But he was badly at fault defensively for the their goal and he made one other pretty bad mistake that should have led to another goal.
Id be interested to hear how he did over all because he was involved in most of the brief highlights I seen
In a sense its better for him to make mistakes in these types of games and learn from it. Rather than in a high profile EPL game where he'd have the fans on his back etc. I think Moyes knows what he is at. Coleman isnt 100% ready to be first choice just yet, but will make plenty of first team appearances during the year. All going well by the end of the season he will be a genuine contender for the starting place.
http://www.evertonfc.com/news/archiv...ing-duo-hailedQuote:
Seamus Coleman and Magaye Gueye were hailed by Everton assistant boss Steve Round for their part in the emphatic 5-1 victory over the Terriers at Goodison. And David Moyes' number two revealed the Irish Under-21 international has caught the eye so much with his attacking style that he has earned a new nickname.
Round told evertonfc.com: "Seamus Coleman going forward was sensational. The lads have nicknamed him Seamus Ramos because he bombs forward so much.
"It was a pleasing night, for sure, to get a good win, to go through in the cup and to see some very good performances from our younger players."
I had a trawl through some Everton forums and a lot of people seem to be hoping he starts on Saturday ahead of Neville, which is a compliment. It really is frustrating when this lad isn't even in the squad and McShane seems to be guaranteed a start in his position, but that's not for this thread I guess. Hopefully he will get his chance soon, I'm sure he will take it.
Looking at the 2 very bad mistakes he made last night, he is certainly not ready for international football yet. They were fairly basic mistakes. He did look impressive going forward but I don't think thats what Trap is looking for from his full backs.
The good thing is that he has the talent to be a top-class attacking fullback. You can't teach that. With a little time, I think he can work on eliminating the mistakes and improve the defensive side of his game.
One thing worth keeping in mind is that this was Huddersfield, not top-class opposition; had he made those sorts of mistakes at international level, it could be catastrophic.
That said, when the likes of McShane are playing, it's difficult to argue against Coleman's inclusion. At this point, it seems McShane offers little going forward, while being a liability at the back.
Stephen Kelly is the man I'd look to claim the spot and overtake McShane in the pecking order...it's getting increasingly more frustrating that Trap continues to put McShane on the field ahead of what are probably better options.
Foley is another option but he always strikes me as a little lightweight as a defender -- his best position might be somewhere in the midfield.
Kelly was on the bench for Fulham at the weekend.
Have to be mindful that all Colemans praise at the moment appears to be down to his 'attacking'. Whilst this is very much part of the modern game for a fullback, its his defending that will be of paramount importance to the current international setup.
Moyes on Seamus' performance:
http://www.sportinglife.com/football...Nightlead.htmlQuote:
"I thought Seamus Coleman in the first half was very poor - he gave away the goal and nearly another goal - but his performance in the second half improved.
"He showed what he could do and what he should have been doing. He made sure he made the winger defend rather than him having to defend."
What a poor comment by Moyes, its his fault he is not getting the match sharpness.
Jasus it's very rare a manager would be that harsh about an individual player to the media, something else went on behind the scenes? A comment like that will make crap of Coleman's confidence!
It's an interesting approach -- Ferguson for example always hypes up the young players at every opportunity.
More than likely an overenthusiastic journalist asked him excitedly about Coleman's phenomenal display, and Moyes was just tempering that hype. Moyes is a very good manager and I respect his opinion on players and performances. It's not as if he slammed Coleman, he just said that he started poorly before putting in a strong second half performance.
I don't think there's anything wrong with telling a young player that he can improve. Moyes talks in that same article about Rodwell pushing for Cahill's place...I think Moyes is the sort of manager who likes to push his players and challenge them rather than put the arm over the shoulder. I don't think many managers would insinuate that a player of Cahill's calibre would have his place under threat.
Maybe Seamus is the type of player who responds to criticism rather than praise.
Very harsh. But I get the impression Seamus has a thick skin.
Unusually harsh comments from a manager about a young player but maybe Moyes felt that Coleman needed a kick in the ar$e after falling asleep twice in the first half, and as he said, caused a goal and nearly a 2nd.
Lets be honest here, we all hope Coleman steps up to be the right back we think he can be but if Paul McShane had made those 2 mistakes he would be gettin hammered on here and people would be saying that his manager should drop him.
At the moment Coleman seems to be very like Glen Johnson, excellent going forward but defensively suspect, and call me old fashioned but I want my defenders to be able to defend first and foremost
Actually Moyes does not need any advice from the like of us on how to manage his players and understanding the dynamics involved. You can assume that he is honest with Coleman and Coleman trusts him.
but Ive played Championship manager and FIFA, I think Id know more than the likes of MoyesQuote:
Originally Posted by geysir
I see Coleman has come on as Everton are chasing a 1-0 deficit. On 75 minutes he has made one really good weaving run into the Villa box, with a cut back that didn't find an attacker, but in fairness was right into the danger area.
I think someone compared him to S Hunt in the sense that he is a ball of energy when he comes on and adds a strong degree of enthusiasm. He played well today i thought. Not much defending to do, but make some very good runs and looked lively whenever on the ball. So far he looks a very bright prospect, as long as he keeps improving on his defensive game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Decent game from Dunne too, good to see him some way back to form after the shambles that was the Newcastle game last week.
He definitely seems to have the skills necessary to make a few appearances on the wing, should Moyes not want to risk him at full-back. He did drop back when Heitinga came on though, so he only spent a few minutes on the wing.
I really hope Dunne didn't pick up a dead leg when he took out Beckford. He was struggling for a long time, although he did manage to finish the game.
i was thinking the same thing charlie, that maybe moyes should try him at wide-midfield. but then i thought he might not have the pace - he's clearly got a strongly developed attacking instinct and (more importantly) balance but i wonder also if he sees/times his game better when coming from deeper LB positions? he certainly put the fright up the villa defence on that run into the box. nice player, unlike anything we have at present in the fullback areas.
Coleman on for Everton against United for the last 20 minutes of the game. 3-1 down currently.
Commentator says it's his fifth Premiership appearance for Everton.
that's right, 3 last season, 2 this season, all from the bench.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
he's only started 3 games for the Toffees, oddly enough all in the Europa League
Coleman's obviously improving if Moyes is willing to put him on against United. Everton pulled two back after Coleman came on too...
He looked bright. Full of energy and always demanding the ball (from Arteta of all people!!). I'd love the Trap to consider giving him a role in the side. If he doesn't trust him at RB he could do a job on the right hand side of midfield if introduced as a sub because of his energy and willingness to attack the opposition.
O'Shea on the other hand had a mare for the goals Everton snatched in injury time. Lost out to Cahill twice and looked lost playing in front of the back 4.
That was Evans, not O'Shea. For the first one at least - I'd have to see the second again, but neither were deep crosses so there's no reason O'Shea would be there.
you don't assume Evans is going to make the header and you certainly don't let Cahill run in between you and your fellow centre back. Evans was **** as well for the whole 90 minutes. Man Utd better hope Vidic never gets injured or they are struggling.
The 2nd goal? He got bullied by Cahill. He was marking him and allowed him to knock it down for Arteta.