FIFA rankings thread

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Originally Posted by Juanace

Is there any series of reuslts in the remaining qualifiers that will get us into pot 2?

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We are going to be in Pot 2. We need both Latvia to pass Greece (which would require Greece to lose at home to Luxembourg and Latvia to beat Moldova, both by loads of goals (total of seven between the two), with Israel not winning in Switzerland) and Sweden to pass Portugal (which would require Portugal failing to beat Malta at home). Only one of those happening might have been enough had we beaten Italy (in which case our ranking may have taken us above Ukraine) but as it is we would need both.

In short, impossible. Longer, we will draw France, Russia, Portugal (assuming they beat Malta) or Greece (assuming they beat Luxembourg and Switzerland don't lose at home to Israel, in which case we could get the Swiss).

Dave the lads are asking about Pot 2 for the Euro 12 qualifiers.

It looks to me that if Romania and Ireland both win, they have a good chance to leave pot 3, if both Israel and Slovakia don't win.
Then the play off roulette, even 2 draws, could take us back down again to pot 3.

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Originally Posted by Kingdom

Dave the lads are asking about Pot 2 for the Euro 12 qualifiers.

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Duh. Sorry.

Well, before this weekend, we were 22nd, but Poland and Ukraine were above us..... now, that means we need to overtake two teams, Israel Romania and Slovakia being the closest ones (and really, given the numbers, the only feasible ones).... the teams beneath us are Bulgaria (hah!), Norway (didn't play) and Finland (who scraped past Wales), so nothing to worry about there

So the teams above us?

Israel (364 points in front of us) did what was expected and beat Moldova, now we want them to lose to the Swiss (a draw would qualify the Swiss for the world cup, Israel need a win to stand a playoff chance)... we may pass them.
Romania (602 in front of us) lost 5-0 to Serbia, and can't really improve much at home to the Faroes, so hopefully that result has seriously fcuked them up.... we'll see
Slovakia (1,725 in front of us) lost 2-0 at home to Slovenia, a dreadful result, and have to go to Poland.... if they fail to win there, they will be in the Playoffs, where another hammering could further affect them

In short, none of the teams have had great results and we could rise... but wins are important.... the criteria don't take into account respective rankings of opponents etc and strongly favour teams who qualify for tournaments, but we shall see... a win on wednesday would appear to be necessary though, along with an Israeli defeat.

sorry, my calcs were bull****.... i'll fix it tomorrow

Edgar has already posted what the Euro 2012 pots look like after saturdays games
Euro 2012 qual draw

A win vs. Montenegro and in both qualifiers will do us grande ;)
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The above is not the result of any mathematical equation, just wishful thinking! Sure we'd be better off in Pot 2, but is there anyone in there already that should give us nightmares?

I've done a spreadsheet that allows you to put in results in upcoming games and calculated seedings from there. I'll email it to anyone who wants it if they pm me their email address. For what it's worth, I put in some results and the following is a screenshot:

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/592...efficients.jpg

The results are something of a 'best case' scenario..... Obviously!!

I think we will be 32nd placed in tomorrow rankings list

These are the up to date UEFA Euro 2012 seedings (I have included the bonus points for making the playoffs but obviously no data related to the results)

Spain ----- 39,964
Germany -- 38,294
Netherlands 37,821
Italy ------ 35,838
England --- 34,686
Croatia ---- 33,677
Russia ---- 33,067
France ---- 32,711
Portugal --- 32,580 - First Seeds
Greece ---- 31,365 - Second Seeds
Czech Rep - 30,871
Sweden --- 30,695
Switzerland 30,395
Serbia ----- 29,811
Turkey ---- 29,447
Ukraine ---- 29,341
Denmark --- 29,222
Slovakia --- 28,228
Romania --- 28,145 - Second Seeds
Israel ------ 28,052 - Third Seeds
Bulgaria --- 27,198
Ireland ---- 26,948
Finland ---- 26,827
Poland ----- 26,620
Norway ---- 26,210
Bosnia ----- 25,785
Scotland --- 25,646
Slovenia ---- 24,681
N Ireland --- 24,518 - Third Seeds
Austria ----- 24,381 - Fourth Seeds
Latvia ------ 23,303
Hungary ---- 23,048
Lithuania --- 22,071
Belarus ----- 21,515
Belgium ----- 21,426
Wales ------- 21,274
Macedonia -- 19,409
Cyprus ------ 18,791 - Fourth Seeds
Montenegro - 18,751 - Fifth Seeds
Albania ------18,319
Estonia ----- 17,792
Georgia ----- 15,819
Moldova ---- 15,734
Iceland ----- 15,404
Armenia -----15,164
Kazakhstan --14,730
Liechtenstein 13,581 - Fifth Seeds
Azerbaijan ---13,500 - Sixth Seeds
Luxembourg --11,872
Malta ------- 11,517
Faroes ------10,620
Andorra ----- 9,197
San Marino -- 7,783

Playoff teams are in bold.

Three of the top four teams are likely to remain first seeds, with the fourth one remaining / dropping to second seed status.

Ukraine are likely to say second seeds.

We are almost certain to remain third seeds, along with Bosnia.

Slovenia will possibly be third seeds, but could slip to fourth!

I'll include an automatic calculator once the draw is made.

I presume (like last campaign) second place in the group for Euro 2012 will guarantee a place in the finals.

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Originally Posted by elroy

I presume (like last campaign) second place in the group for Euro 2012 will guarantee a place in the finals.

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Nope. There are to be nine groups, not seven.... if there were seven groups, we would currently be 21st and on the very verge of being 4th seeds if we lost in the playoffs.

The nine winners and best runner up will qualify, with the remaining eight runners up entering playoffs.

My Uefa informants tell me that the draw for the playoffs will be seeded but if Uefa decide half way through they don't give a sh it who qualifies cos the big nations are all in, they'll fu ck with us all and get rid of the seeding just for the hell of it.

We will never qualify for Euro. The team will be half too old half too young. Trap is of a delicate age and will probably be a little dementia riddled by the Euro deal. He is likely to try and name Roy Keane thinking its ten years ago.
Its either Africa or Brazil in 4.

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Originally Posted by SuperDave

These are the up to date UEFA Euro 2012 seedings (I have included the bonus points for making the playoffs but obviously no data related to the results)

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Playoff teams are in bold.

Three of the top four teams are likely to remain first seeds, with the fourth one remaining / dropping to second seed status.

Ukraine are likely to say second seeds.

We are almost certain to remain third seeds, along with Bosnia.

Slovenia will possibly be third seeds, but could slip to fourth!

I'll include an automatic calculator once the draw is made.

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For the euro 2012 draw Poland and Ukraine are not in the seeding pots.

So do it again please:D

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Originally Posted by geysir

For the euro 2012 draw Poland and Ukraine are not in the seeding pots.

So do it again please:D

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If you look closely you'll notice there are 10 teams in the second and third seed pots.... now look closer still and you'll see Ukraine are in the second pot and Poland are in the third.

:p

Smart aleck:D

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Originally Posted by SuperDave

These are the up to date UEFA Euro 2012 seedings (I have included the bonus points for making the playoffs but obviously no data related to the results)

Israel ------ 28,052 - Third Seeds
Bulgaria --- 27,198
Ireland ---- 26,948
Finland ---- 26,827
Poland ----- 26,620
Norway ---- 26,210
Bosnia ----- 25,785
Scotland --- 25,646
Slovenia ---- 24,681
N Ireland --- 24,518 - Third Seeds
Austria ----- 24,381 - Fourth Seeds
Latvia ------ 23,303
Hungary ---- 23,048
Lithuania --- 22,071
Belarus ----- 21,515
Belgium ----- 21,426
Wales ------- 21,274
Macedonia -- 19,409
Cyprus ------ 18,791 - Fourth Seeds

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Pardon my ignorance, but does this mean that we (NI) cannot be overtaken for 3rd seeding by any of the Play-Off results (indeed could see Slovenia fall below us if they bomb out in their p/offs), but could slip down to 4th seeding if we perform badly in any friendlies we play between now and the Draw* for Euro2012?

* - In Feb.2010?

P.S. There is strong talk that NI will be playing an away friendly with Bulgaria in November. I hope you have softened them up for us!

EG, yes NI are safe as third seeds. Friendly matches don't count for the UEFA national team co-efficents, only for the FIFA world rankings.

in today official rankings today - we are ranked 34th placed (sorry i thought it would be 32nd) - if we had won the last night - we be 28th :mad:

Re Seedings..... my calculator tells me even if we win both legs 6-0 or even if we lose them 6-0 we will be third seeds for euro2012.

Slovenia might slip from 3rd to 4th seeds if they lose even one leg (what a kick in the teeth, winning one leg, losing the other, qualifying and being fourth seeds for 2012!) and Austria will rise, or Bosnia could fall from 3rd to 4th if they lose both legs (or even draw one), but both cannot fall, only one, with Austria rising from 4th to 3rd seeds.

Ukraine could fall from 2nd seeds to 3rd seeds but realistically only if they lose both legs home and away to Greece.

Greece could rise from 2nd seeds to 1st seeds at the expense of any of the others, but only if one of them fails to win a single game (except for Russia for whom two draws is enough to retain first seed status) and Greece win both of theirs.

A little irrelevant today, I know, but still worth keeping an eye on. I mean, Slovenia could qualify with a 2-0 win and 1-0 loss and fall to fourth seed status for the euro qualifiers!

so in the probable rankings - we draw in croke park and lose in france - and thus lose out in the race of the world cup ....... :(

Football is not played on paper (or on my computer's software) :)

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Originally Posted by Edgar

Football is not played on paper (or on my computer's software) :)

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thats true - but your never to far away :)

Barring absolutely freakish results (basically Slovenia knocking 11 past Russia, or Slovenia winning and Bosnia losing by a combined total of about 10 goals), these are the euro2012 qualifier seedings:

Spain, Germany, Netherlands, Italy, England, Croatia, Russia, France, Portugal

Czech Rep, Sweden, Greece, Switzerland, Serbia, Turkey, Denmark, Slovakia, Romania

Israel, Bulgaria, Finland, Norway, Ireland, Scotland, Northern Ireland, Bosnia, Austria

Slovenia, Latvia, Hungary, Lithuania, Belarus, Belgium, Wales, Macedonia, Cyprus

Montenegro, Albania, Estonia, Georgia, Moldova, Iceland, Armenia, Kazakhstan, Liechtenstein

Azerbaijan, Luxembourg, Malta, Faroe Islands, Andorra, San Marino

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Originally Posted by SuperDave

Barring absolutely freakish results (basically Slovenia knocking 11 past Russia, or Slovenia winning and Bosnia losing by a combined total of about 10 goals), these are the euro2012 qualifier seedings:

Spain, Germany, Netherlands, Italy, England, Croatia, Russia, France, Portugal

Czech Rep, Sweden, Greece, Switzerland, Serbia, Turkey, Denmark, Slovakia, Romania

Israel, Bulgaria, Finland, Norway, Ireland, Scotland, Northern Ireland, Bosnia, Austria

Slovenia, Latvia, Hungary, Lithuania, Belarus, Belgium, Wales, Macedonia, Cyprus

Montenegro, Albania, Estonia, Georgia, Moldova, Iceland, Armenia, Kazakhstan, Liechtenstein

Azerbaijan, Luxembourg, Malta, Faroe Islands, Andorra, San Marino

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if we have a good approach to this there's no reason we can't finish at least second. none of those 2nd tier teams are really scary. good sides of course but all have had peaks and troughs over the years. no guarantee that they will be challenging for top spot.

could be some disatrous groups there for us..

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Originally Posted by Duggie

could be some disatrous groups there for us..

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equally there could be a good one

france
greece
ireland
latvia
lichetenstein
san marino

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Originally Posted by dynamo kerry

equally there could be a good one

france
greece
ireland
latvia
lichetenstein
san marino

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San Marino, please not again!

Spain, Germany, Netherlands, Italy, England, Croatia, Russia, France, Portugal

Czech Rep, Sweden, Greece, Switzerland, Serbia, Turkey, Denmark, Slovakia, Romania

Israel, Bulgaria, Finland, Norway, Ireland, Scotland, Northern Ireland, Bosnia, Austria

Slovenia, Latvia, Hungary, Lithuania, Belarus, Belgium, Wales, Macedonia, Cyprus

Montenegro, Albania, Estonia, Georgia, Moldova, Iceland, Armenia, Kazakhstan, Liechtenstein

Azerbaijan, Luxembourg, Malta, Faroe Islands, Andorra, San Marino

Take in a heartbeat:

Croatia
Slovakia
Ireland
Belarus
Liechtenstein
Luxembourg/Andorra

Would cry in a heartbeat:
Spain
Serbia
Ireland
Belgium
Montenegro
Faroes

Would get to in a heartbeat (while still having a chance):
Portugal
Switzerland
Ireland
Hungary
Liechtenstein
Luxembourg/Andorra

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Originally Posted by Kingdom

Would cry in a heartbeat:
Spain
Serbia
Ireland
Belgium
Montenegro
Faroes

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that would kill me

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Originally Posted by ChrisRed

San Marino, please not again!

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it couldn't happen again...

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Originally Posted by Acornvilla

that would kill me

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Yup, thats the nightmare group I reckon. Spain are probably the best side in the world, Serbia aren't exactly pushovers either, Belgium are bloody erratic, while we failed to score against a Novice Montengrin side, and Kerr would kill himself to take points off us.
The thoughts of it...

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Originally Posted by Kingdom

Yup, thats the nightmare group I reckon. Spain are probably the best side in the world, Serbia aren't exactly pushovers either, Belgium are bloody erratic, while we failed to score against a Novice Montengrin side, and Kerr would kill himself to take points off us.
The thoughts of it...

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yep wed draw with everyone and loose to spain and prob come third in the group at best..... mabe beat the faroes at home!

When is the next one out?

Dunno how these things are calculated.

Would last nights result count as a win over the 90 minutes in terms of how seeding points are distributed???

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Originally Posted by dr_peepee

Dunno how these things are calculated.

Would last nights result count as a win over the 90 minutes in terms of how seeding points are distributed???

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Good point - i dont know the answer to it either ....

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Originally Posted by swinfordfc

When is the next one out?

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Well, UEFA have now updated the seedings they'll be using for the Euro 2012 draw :

http://www.uefa.com/competitions/eur...id=901647.html

FF

New rankings out today and Ireland have dropped 5 places to 44th in the world / 24th in Europe. It's not that significant for us right now, but it was a bit surprising to see us drop by so much. I guess the next time we have to worry about seedings is (hopefully) the draw for the Euro 2012 play-offs?

44th :question:
When Stan was pushed out the door we were ranked about 32 or 33 :confused:

Trap has us on a downward slide but has managed to convince us that we are on the up and up.

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Originally Posted by geysir

44th :question:
When Stan was pushed out the door we were ranked about 32 or 33 :confused:

Trap has us on a downward slide but has managed to convince us that we are on the up and up.

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it was October 2007, we were 32nd in the October figures, and 35th in the November figures.
Two losses on the bounce didn't help the ranking