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Well - it wasn't really your fault in this instance - just Cork getting their arses in hands about having to travel.Quote:
Originally Posted by bellavistaman
I mean - even Rovers traveled all the way down there to play a "home" match in Cork a few years back...
Wexford Youths: Warm up where you're told to warm up... or else f**k off.
Limerick 37: Okay, we'll f**k off.
Both clubs are in agreement - what's the problem.
Love itQuote:
Originally Posted by dublin_owl
not 100% sure that any of the games have been at night pretty sure have not been but as stated below lights still have to meet certain standardQuote:
Originally Posted by L37Ultra
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Originally Posted by Réiteoir
Mick Wallace:
''It does appear that Limerick did not want to play the game. We had noted that it was strange that two of their better players, Gary Sheehan and John Tierney were not in the starting 11 for some reason. Maybe there were problems that we didn't know about.''
What a joke, every team shold be allowed to warm up on the main pitch and to get a feel for it. Having seen the second pitch last week I can confirm how dimly lit it is; Kenny, pro that he is, must have taken one look at it and laughed in Wallace's face. It's a professional league we're trying to run. Wexford are like the kid who gets new football boots and then is afraid to use them in case they get dirty- Cork, for instance, have probably the best stadium in the country, should they refuse to allow opposition fans in just in case they mess it all up? Mick's a great character, a real football man and normally a fantastic asset to the league but he really needs to get real.
Oh and also:
Linfield- :D:D:D
This is the same Limerick that made teams play at Pike Rovers a few seasons back?!
Edit: just remembered it's not the same Limerick
i have to agree with you on this one . it is setting a very bad precedent to stop away teams from warming up on the playing surface.Quote:
Originally Posted by thischarmingman
i am surprised that it has taken this long to surface but i suppose the lack of proper lighting brought the problem to a head.
how would the wexford players feel if they were not allowed to warm up on the main pitch in oriel.
i know that all floodlights are different and it is important to warm up in match conditions . i hope small fines are issued to both clubs and the match is replayed and expect that limerick and all future teams are allowed to warm up on ferrycarrig no 1 pitch .
until we get the hypothetical situation of a team warming up on it in torrential rain - cutting the pitch up unnecessarily to a degree that it becomes dangerous - thereby leading to the referee calling the game off before kick offQuote:
Originally Posted by sligored
then people would be up in arms saying why didn't they use the back pitch - well folks - not bright enough - health & safety y'know...
If I'm correct in stating earlier that if a pitch is used for U21/A-Championship matches then it must have League Standard floodlighting available to it - then the whole argument of dark pitches and the like goes flying out the window quicker than a very fast thing indeed.
Let's see what comes out in the next couple of days first...
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by sligored
Yeah I've lost count of the number of times that's happened...:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Réiteoir
And anyway, if it the rain was that bad it would get cut up anyway in the course of the match, no? Just 20 minutes later...
Great Story with Wexford - Limerick! It's so crazy!
That's why I love Irish football - it suprised me every day anew! :p
where did the wexford team warm up?
Apparently they didn't warm up tonight but had they done so it would have been on the second pitch where they seemingly always warm up.
Anyone know why? Wonder were they thinking they would go on the main pitch while Limerick were knocking around in the dark?Quote:
Originally Posted by Longfordian
As regards not being allowed on the main pitch for the warm up, Didnt wallace try to pull the same **** on Derry last week? (sorry if these questions have already been answered btw)
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Originally Posted by sligored
Precedent already there - when St Francis were in the league, teams weren't allowed warm up on their perfect pitch prior to games in Baldonnel.
Wexford Youths warm up half an hour before kick off. Because L37 had gone home by 7.30, they didn't go out to warm up. After the officials had called off the game. They went out for a training session ON THE TRAINING PITCH.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monkfish
I've never seen the Youths warm up on the main pitch and when Derry warmed up on the main pitch prior to the League Cup final (which was governed by the FAI). The Youths warmed up on the training pitch as normal.
Last night was very wet and we have Dundalk here on Friday. Our entire grounds staff consists of 1 man and the less damage (if possible) done to our pitch, the better it is for visiting teams to play on. As I've said previously, this has worked against us in the past when more experienced teams play to their full potential on the pristine surface. We have won more games away from home this season than at home.
I'm not saying we didn't play a part in this but there was still time to fulfill the fixture when Mick backed down
i blame the credit crunch:DQuote:
Originally Posted by jebus
Well there you go Jebus, L37 were eventually offered 40 MINUTES on the main pitch and refused.Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
Do dum! Mick Wallaces scouts havent been doing their job recently (they only come to ALL the limerick home games) as Limerick have been playing differant formations and players for ammm lesser teams of footballing ability. This is Wallace all being prompted into his ear by super adviser guru Pat Dolan. Not a word of what wallace is saying is from his brain, its all DolanQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr Maroon
I was told it was closer ot half seven and that we were back on the bus and not togged out yet. Let's give it a median of 7.25 Wallace said we could do it. That would mean we would have 35 mins to get the players back in the changing room, get togged out, get up to the other pitch, go through our 20-25 min warm up, get back down to the dressing room, go through last minutes tactics, have a team talk and get fully kitted out for the match. I don't care how inadequate Wexford's warm up is, 35-40 mins is nowhere near enough to do all thisQuote:
Originally Posted by oldyouth
Wallace was paying lip service so he could say to the FAI that he offered it, that is all
How many times does it have to be said??? the kick off could have been delayed 15-20 minutes and there ya go, lack-of-warm-up-time problem solved! Was it not the case at the start of the season that matches were getting delayed left right and centre over kit clashes? You can argue all you want about the lights, but this 'we hadnt enough time' case doesn't wash.Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
Embarrassing stuff, but teams should be allowed warm up on the playing surface. You were about to play 90 minutes of a game on it what harm would a warm up do? Wexford should scrap this ridiculous "warm up on the training pitch" crap to avoid future embarrassment to the League.
You're making a presumption that the ref would've agreed to delay kick off though.Quote:
Originally Posted by EAFC_rdfl
Bottom line is that wallace was acting the dick. Even if Limerick overreacted, it all stems from the initial idiocy.
Has that been going on all season? I assumed it was a one-off that our players couldn't shower there a few weeks ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrick Dunne
Is this a new rule? I know we played most under-21 league games, up to last year, on a pitch with no floodlights. The night games were played in Belfield Park but any games in daylight were on an unlit pitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Réiteoir
Showers weren't working for Pats players on FridayQuote:
Originally Posted by Schumi
If every professional league in the world allows teams to warm up on pitches of a far better quality to Wexfords regardless of the weather,i really cant see why Wexford feel it is neccesary for visiting teams to use another surface.
I wonder where Dundalk will warm up on Friday night??
I feel for Limerick on this one.
I would have thought that in this case the referee would have been in contact with the League Office to seek guidanceQuote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
No, the bottom line is that Limerick refused to fulfil the fixture, having been given adequate opportunity to do so. End of story.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Had visitors up to the house last night so pretty much missed all this.
It's made my morning fly by catching up!
I thought it was poor form from Wallace to criticise Stephen Kenny, after the League Cup final, for warming up on the main pitch. I felt the Youths should have done the same that night to help them acclimatise to the new set-up and big crowd. Having made public how much this bothered him it was almost inevitable that the next team down would make a similar request, some professional mind games from Kerley I'd say. If a team requests to warm up on the main pitch they should be allowed, no questions asked, it's particularly understandable for teams that haven't played there before. Limerick knew making the request would bother Wallace, he should have been nice as pie about it and got on with things.
Wallace, the League of Ireland and Limerick 37 have come out of this looking bad. Limerick should never have left the ground before kick off, by all means lodge an official complaint, even take to the field at kick off time but refuse to commence until full warm up has been completed. Wallace is making a show of himself with his comments about Limerick leaving out good players and not wanting to play at all, he has to realise that temas will try anything to gain a bit of an advantage and if this means winding him up by asking to train on the main pitch then so be it.
Overall the incident just gives fuel to the fire the the League of Ireland is a joke. It's a sad incident.
As always Mr Passing, I take my hat off to you. Good pointsQuote:
Originally Posted by passinginterest
We didn't train in either ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by hoops1
At 2.30 in the afternoon.Quote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
Nail on head by that man. Well done.Quote:
Originally Posted by passinginterest
We got fined bucketloads (twice, with the second one €500 if memory serves) because there was no hot water for the referees' showers - we installed a new pump which was too efficient which meant the players had used all the hot water by the time the refs got into their shower.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
ps on the topic in hand, got to agree with passinginterest. Its the LoI First Division FFS, not the World Cup finals.
yeah, but what started the story? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunny Jim
passinginterest is spot on IMo
The referee wouldn't warm up on the back pitch either according to a L37 statement.
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the referee Rob Rodgers confirmed to Limerick 37 that he would not be warming up on the back pitch in question as he deemed the lighting unsafe.
I'd say there is a lot of poetic licence in that comment. Match officials are NEVER asked to warm up on the training pitch and ALWAYS warm up around the perimeter of the main pitch. Incidentally, the floodlights are not usually on full power when this is going on, only 5 mins before the teams come outQuote:
Originally Posted by Schumi
Statement from the FAI:
"In response to yesterday evening’s cancelled eircom League of Ireland, first division match between Wexford Youths and Limerick 37, the FAI will review the detail of the referee’s report and the match delegate’s report and under disciplinary procedures, both clubs will be asked to provide a full response to those reports within the next three working days. After this the matter will be put before the FAI Disciplinary Committee. Speaking today, Fran Gavin, Director of the eircom League of Ireland said:
“We are deeply disappointed and dissatisfied that this match did not go ahead and we will be carrying out a full review and disciplinary process to take appropriate action. We will not be in a position to comment further until this case is heard.”
My guess is they'll take their time, and then bottle it. I bet they fine both clubs a small amount and then order the match to be refixed. Whereas if they had any spine they would award us the points and hit Limerick with a massive fine.
I think we should make Limerick warm up on the astro turf pitches on Saturday just to see what'd happen. In all seriousness though, as passinginterest says nobody comes out of this with any credit but I still feel the FAI may come down hardest on Limerick for not playing the game.
Nice, balanced view there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunny Jim
If you're looking for nice balanced views, I'd suggest going somewhere other than a internet football forum. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge