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Because most journalists not only don't care about the league, actively want it to fail. You'll notice the majority of these articles aren't written by the excellent young LOI journos such as Dan McDonnell or Mike Scully.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guitd
One journo told me before of his editors insturctions on a particular angle. When he refused to write that article he was relegated from the features writer. Large national newspaper too...
I do castigate them. Dont get me wrong .... i am lumping them all into one. Any media group, paper, whateverQuote:
Originally Posted by soccerc
How can any journalist worth his/her salt look at this story and come up with that stuff?
I am struggling to see where they could have come up with it, if they were reporting that both were going to arbitration then i'd say fair play, do your worst-est, and i'm sure they would do a fine job too ..... BUT if they cannot report that then how can they come up with it.
I'm saying if it the talks are concluded and both parties walk away at the end of the term and the FAI need another sponsor, even if that is the case, how still is that a bad story?
It was never a secret that the contract would end at some stage, it wasn't open ended. So i'm struggling to see how this is bad? Or is it just a guaranteed 'bad news' story that was always there to cash in on when the time comes? If that is the case then when is the next GAA sponsorship deal up for renewal? Will it be treated equally?
If they are putting themselves up on the soap box claiming that this is a bad news item then they should pad it out with a bit more fact if they dont want people to draw conclusions about their reporting.
Angry email, just sent to MNS.
National broadcaster v Dodge hmmm i wonder who knows more? :)
Because the sponsorship link between the league and international team are set to be broken. The International angle was the leverage to secure decent sponsorship for the league that hardly registers in peoples minds.Quote:
Originally Posted by A face
That's why it is bad news
Is this not normal practise?
Their (eircom) contract is up at the end of the season and my guess is the F.A.I. are negotiating with them and more than likely others so maybe eircom are being asked to up their financial package from the current one.
Eircom maybe trying to play hardball and let it slip to the press that they are not renewing the LOI part and then go and deny it later in the day.
Nothing for anyone to get worried about.
As I said.......... normal practise.
Can we all stop beating around the bush here. We all know well that the media in this country have the knives out for the league all the time, i mean its not like its a secret that just got out or anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Any media group will look back at the history in reporting on the league and see the sway to the negative side of things, contrived in alot of cases.
How many times have we seen it happen before on a slow news day, some rookie trying to find his teeth has just jumped through the editors hoop and castigated the league, as if it were some sort of initiation to the world of Irish sports journalism. Its as if they are stuck for a filler and they wheeled out this old chestnut.
There is no doubt in my mind there is an agenda against the league in the media circles in Ireland, its clear as day, i read, listen and see it all the time, is it that they didn't think we'd notice a trend or something?
What kind of attitude does prevail though? If they can run with a nothing story about a sponsorship contract coming to an end and make it look bad for the league then what are they capable of?Quote:
I sincerely doubt that attitude pervails in editorial terms at the national broadcaster.
Are people asking themselves this?
This story is a nothing and they have tarred the name of the league with it ..... again !! :eek: And then i'm the bad guy for pointing this out :rolleyes:
Agree with all of that, and have I have let MNS know about it. Tony O'Donoghue gone way down in my estimation after that "news" report.Quote:
Originally Posted by A face
Aren't they broken already? Aren't they two separate entities now no?Quote:
Originally Posted by soccerc
No, we always knew that. That was clear as day all along. It was never so clear as to when RTE asked to pay the FAI not to do MNS. We are all too aware of the fulcrum that exists.Quote:
The International angle was the leverage to secure decent sponsorship for the league that hardly registers in peoples minds.
But that is still the case today (i'll admit it wasn't in the past when the FAI didn't give a toss about the league) and no matter what deal is sought now, i'll say that come the end of that, it will still be the case. So what?
The FAI have something to sweeten the pill in the next deal, good .... thats what we all want isn't it. We didn't learn anything new today, no matter how its dressed up. It was a nothing.
I actually hold my hands up on this one as regards Breaking News ...
24/07/2008 - 11:50:48
They corrected the story at the time above
Ok, i paired them with RTE on reporting it and i was wrong there. They obviously saw the error of their ways at 11.50 andQuote:
Eircom have denied that they are about to end their sponsorship of the eircom League.
left it run all day until the 6.01 newscorrected it seeing that it was wrong to mislead their readers.
It was a slow news day lads, jesus talk about over reaction from both sides of this. What probably happened was, RTE needed a news story, some RTE source said they heard eircom won't be the sponser next year, RTE reported that eircom would be pulling the plug on the sponsership when in fact the deal is just running out, various people had several heart attacks.
Bar any leaked memo from RTE saying they want to discredit a league that they promote I would assume that all of this has come about through bog standard poor journalism. RTE heard eircom wouldn't be sponsers next year and assumed they were pulling out before checking when the deal was due to expire, which is where the actual news story lies
Yeah, i guess you're probably right, much a do, yeah the league suffered again in the millionth news story with no substance that just so happens to err on the side that damages the league but sure who cares. Its just their standards again ... dang them boys at RTE and their dodgy standards, shucks will they ever learnQuote:
Originally Posted by jebus
*gives them a playful dig in the arm*
What'cha say we carry on as if nothing ever happened !! ;)
[Queue the music for some eighties American tv show* with a happy ending]
* I'm sure you're familiar with them, we have to endure them on RTE often enough
Say what you want lads but i have been supporting Rovers for nearly 30 years and this is the worst i have ever seen the league as a whole collective. We are in absolute bits and over the chink of light is Drogs beating a team from Estonia who are a nation who's league is ranked well below ours.
Shoddy work by RTE.
The only quote I could find from eircom was Click
Not sure how RTE can report this as fact.Quote:
"The current contract is due to expire at the end of 2008," read today's statement. "Eircom is currently in discussions with the FAI regarding sponsorship of Irish soccer.
Maybe RTE can sponsor the league. If it is good enough for Hurling.
Edit: The League Sponsorship is worth 1.2m a year from eircom
Worst you have seen the league?? Cork, Drogs, Pats all getting coefficient points lately, the highest we have been, in the table. Better facilities than ever before. Turners Cross is a good stadium, Drogheda and Bohs planning new stadia and your own crowd moving to Tallaght next year. Worst you have seen the league. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rovers Maniac
Would you rather go back to fat part timers playing in the depths of winter in the ****ing rain and getting hammered in Europe by minnows from the likes of malta??
I guess your reflexes are working ok anyway :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rovers Maniac
There is loads going on in the league at the moment that is good but aside from that, my club Cork City only ten years ago was a completely different club, and i mean completely different. And i'd say that most clubs couldn't turn around as say that things haven't got better.
Circa ten years ago, Sligo Rovers got whipped by us 5/6 to 1 and ye sacked your manager the same night. Things were bad in Sligo at that time, very bleak.
Ten years on and you have made some unreal strides given your resources. I know it hasn't been well documented but thats not Sligos fault, its the medias.
I'm telling you, there is loads to be positive about. Look at the damage this article can do and dismiss it until you can see something with more substance.
When we do get a new sponsor for the league, will it be given that same attention, the same negativity? We'll have to wait and see.
Is it? Really? Is it worse than even 5 years ago? I don't think so, I've only been a LoI follower for 7 years and I can see the difference in quality and vision quite clearly, so stop over-reactingQuote:
Originally Posted by Rovers Maniac
It's not just RTE though, across the board in journalism the standards have been slipping for at least 20 years. RTE saying eircom have pulled out of the League of Ireland isn't even in the same ballpark as 13 British newspapers accusing Robert Morat of being a paedophile for example. I mean have you ever actually watched Fox News? No use complaining about RTE's journalistic standards when they're probably one of the better outlets, by comparison of course :)Quote:
Originally Posted by A face
Anyway in who's eyes does this damage us? The LoI fan knows it's rubbish, the barstooler thinks we're rubbish regardless, the non football fan probably didn't pay attention and the person thinking about going, well if they're put off by a 3 minute story on RTE then they wouldn't have stuck around for more than a handful of games anyway
Wow coefficients! Against a team from Latvia, Estonia and Finland amazing stuff. :rolleyes: Drogs and Bohs stadiums are a long long way from getting built. While the rest of the league is in bits bar UCD including the first divsion. Teams are skint close to folding in a lot of cases this is not a proper league it is a total joke. I predict we are about to lose some clubs very soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by sullanefc
This is through bad management at clubs. To blame the league or the Fai or summer football is deflecting blame from the clubs themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rovers Maniac
7 years of watching Lims and it still is rubbish. Look Jebus i shoud have said off the field it is a shambles off the field. I think it can't be argued that there has been a better standard of football being played today in the premier. However i will say that if that Shelbourne team that were around 5 years ago were still around they would win the league anyway i don't think it is an over reaction.Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus