MFA Junior Cup 2007/08

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Originally Posted by shanman2

That is a fantastic post, it makes the most sense I have read on this site since I've joined. For starters any club club paying players to win a competition at junior level are psising into the wind. Is it not the amateur status of a player the makes the FAI such a unique competition along with the local lad who plays football for a club that he loves.

These clubs have raped their league and surrounding leagues for players for longer then I care to remember. Hence sufficating all other junior clubs who can't afford to pay players and won't pay players, as a result the decline in Junior soccer has been dramatic.

Why would young lads want to play when they know they have not got a hope of competing for a major honour no matter how much work they put in. Good on you "littleman" I'm glad someone finally said it.

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Where do people get their info about Pike paying players...I will tell you where..dis fella told me that fella told me..it's all absolute rubbish.

With all the crap posted not one bit of concrete evidence has been shown for this to be believed...I for one as a pike supporter all my life do not belive it to be the case.

what I do know is that we travelled to cork a few weeks ago to play Avondale in the MSC and transport, meals, a few beers were provided for the A team, I can's see a problem with that.

Would this not be common practice with most clubs.

who cares if pike are paying players. there still one of the most boring teams in limerick to watch

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Originally Posted by young boy

who cares if pike are paying players. there still one of the most boring teams in limerick to watch

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they are the current MJC champions....doesn't say a lot for the rest of limerick or munster

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Originally Posted by silvercircle

they are the current MJC champions....doesn't say a lot for the rest of limerick or munster

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They are indeed but in truth they had to win it off the field

Double post..

Generally players want to play with successful teams,and Pike are a successful team,this stuff about us paying players is basically empty whine's from locals who hate the club...Pike haven't had a strong schoolboy setup for a few years,so getting players from other clubs is the only way to survive,and it also shows ambition on the players part that they want to win trophies and cups.

Whine more,its the same in england,everyone hates chelsea now because they are winning,same goes for Pike.They're being attacked because they are out in front and its the only way for sadacts to feel better about themselves to try and belittle a club..

If they put as much time into there clubs as they do whining about other teams,then maybe just maybe they'd actually get somewhere..

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Originally Posted by Town Fan

They are indeed but in truth they had to win it off the field

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Explain that?

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Originally Posted by Town Fan

They are indeed but in truth they had to win it off the field

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or another way of looking at that is CTFC lost it off the pitch...the game is won on the pitch by 11 v 11 who have the right to be on the pitch in the first place...

Not meaning to state the obvious but i'd say that was a snipe at the objection shiite that made a mockery of the competition last season.Please feel free to correct me if im wrong by the way.

On Pike being Mjc Champions fair enough but you cant say your way out in front of everyone and in the same breath say ye hav'nt had a decent youth side in years and have no other option but to tempt players in by what ever means.That goes against all the decent points you were makin and makes no sense.

Im not from Limerick and dont claim to know much about your set up but should ye not concentrate a bit more on developing players from underage level and try to solve your problems that way.I've seen clubs go down that route in our league with expenses or whatever they choose to call it and also living off other clubs players(not a nice sayin but lets call a spade a spade) .Eventually it goes belly up big time.Why,because players move on,always have an always will to the next big team.Then your left with nothin but raw young fellas and past their best ol fellas.

Greenmount Rangers and Temple United are point in fact to anyone who would like to know what can happen if you dont have a good youth set up bringing players on or spend your time living off other clubs.A few moons ago they were some of the top sides in the country, Fai Cup Finalists,Mjc champs an regular last 8 of the Fai if not better.Aoh an Mossie Linnane Cups alround an Irish Caps as well.They at their best were the pride of Cork Football.

Now ones just existing in Premier A Cork Aul,just.The other threw away all its history and amalgamated with Maymount because it was broke and die'n a slow death.

How the giants fall.............................

Silvercircle at no point did I mention Pike Rovers. However with all the stories being spread around they cant all be wrong.

I loved junior soccer, when I was able to play and at no point is it acceptable that any junior player walks across those white lines knowing he is being paid to do a job. (thats what it is at the end of the day a job)
If he is, then he is nothing more than a mercenary who is out for no one other than himself.

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Originally Posted by littleman

Not meaning to state the obvious but i'd say that was a snipe at the objection shiite that made a mockery of the competition last season.Please feel free to correct me if im wrong by the way.

On Pike being Mjc Champions fair enough but you cant say your way out in front of everyone and in the same breath say ye hav'nt had a decent youth side in years and have no other option but to tempt players in by what ever means.That goes against all the decent points you were makin and makes no sense.

Im not from Limerick and dont claim to know much about your set up but should ye not concentrate a bit more on developing players from underage level and try to solve your problems that way.I've seen clubs go down that route in our league with expenses or whatever they choose to call it and also living of other clubs players(not a nice sayin but lets call a spade a apade) .Eventually it goes belly up big time.Why,because players move on,always have an always will to the next big team.Then your left with nothin but raw young fellas and past their best ol fellas.

Greenmount Rangers and Temple United are point in fact to anyone who would like to know what can happen if you dont have a good youth set up bringing players on or spend your time living off other clubs.A few moons ago they were some of the top sides in the country, Fai Cup Finalists,Mjc champs an regular last 8 of the Fai if not better.Aoh an Mossie Linnane Cups alround an Irish Caps as well.They at their best were the pride of Cork Football.

Now ones just existing in Premier A Cork Aul,just.The other threw away all its history and amalgamated with Maymount because it was broke and die'n a slow death.

How the giants fall.............................

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We've been going 69 years and no problems so far,we probably are one of the biggest clubs in Limerick,theres not many places for a junior player to go after Pike,LOI and that's about it..We're gotten our schoolboys back up and running(fairly successfully for the first year or so back may I add..)

At the end of the day its down to you committee and how well they work and its so far so good for Pike..

littleman

As a Pike man I agree totally with your sentiments. Pike restarted their schoolboys back up 4 years ago and its fair to say they are thriving at the moment with a lot of hard work being put in by those involved. They're a lot of top quality players in their late twentys around Limerick who played their school boy football with Pike and give it another 5 years and we should have another crop coming through.

On the paying of players issue - I'll lay it on the line for you - Pike are hated in Limerick, always have and probably always will, all lot of the people who feel like this probably wouldnt be even able to tell you why they hate them, its just the way things are.

This paying of players issue is just another stick to beat Pike with. If its not that its poaching players (I'll come to that), if its not that its getting fixtures dates fixed to suit us. About the only thing Pike havent been accused of recently is the kidnap of Madeline McCann. As long as Im invloved with Pike (nearly 30 years now) weve been getting stick.

On the poaching players thing, I dont know about Cork but in Limerick theres really only one club that get players loyalty and thats Ballynanty rovers. All the other top clubs in town may been cherry picking the best players for years. If they werent then clubs like Gearldines and Granville would have been winning leagues and cups for years ... ever hear of them in Cork... exactly. Every big club in Limerick does it, not saying its right, but again its a handy stick to beat Pike with.

I'll finish by saying, you wouldnt believe everything every one told you in real life - then certainly dont believe it on the web where people can spout more **** with the comfort of anonmity

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Originally Posted by Gerry the ferry

Dont make me laugh,youre making a mockery of yourself and Pike Rovers by posting comments like this
Pike Rvrs Pay certain players FACT!!!!!!!!!!!!
Im not a begrudger i like Pike and would like to wish them all the best in the FAI,league and any other competion they are involved in

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So its totally my fault that everyone hates pike? Don't make me laugh....about 15 people post up on these forums,about 3 from balla,4 from pike,3 from fairview and one or two others from summerville etc...I doubt sincerely its TOTALLY my fault,and doubt the ****e that gets posted up here is talked about at matches..Thats what about 2% of the numbers who watch junior matches..

Your another of those "Pike players getting payed FACT" and yet you've yet to actually post anything whatsoever to back your claims...Your the one leaving your club down with the snide remarks, It'd be fantastic if you'd act your age(OAP?) for once and stop throwing Jab's..

Green Hoop if u say that there is not many places to go after Pike but LOI,why are yee hanging around in the junior leagues .Surely yee are so good that yee would **** threw the senior ranks.I was watching pike and carew game and with carew playing with two may be three players not good enough for the premier they still took yee all the way .By the way carew s two center halfs were solid with carey being man of the match

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Originally Posted by macca

Green Hoop if u say that there is not many places to go after Pike but LOI,why are yee hanging around in the junior leagues .Surely yee are so good that yee would **** threw the senior ranks.I was watching pike and carew game and with carew playing with two may be three players not good enough for the premier they still took yee all the way .By the way carew s two center halfs were solid with carey being man of the match

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Like I said originally, who cares if Pike are paying players or not, its nobody's business but their own.

I dont think Frankie Stewart and John Boyle got paid at Regional and Carew, so why would they have left Pike in the first place if they were being paid by Pike??

Dont tell me, for first team football (they were both only dropped for one game each at Pike and then threw a strop, surely they would have stuck it out for a couple more games, if they were being "Paid")

End of story, lets move on.

Mike Carey has the attributes of a good footballer but it is clear he has never been coached properly imo. His positional sense is suspect at times as he gets drawn completely out of position at times also known as 'ball watching'. I have watched him for many years and formed this opinion over time.. Game versus coachford if memory serves correctly and another games versus galway opposition he was exposed imo

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Originally Posted by abbeyvale

Like I said originally, who cares if Pike are paying players or not, its nobody's business but their own.

I dont think Frankie Stewart and John Boyle got paid at Regional and Carew, so why would they have left Pike in the first place if they were being paid by Pike??

Dont tell me, for first team football (they were both only dropped for one game each at Pike and then threw a strop, surely they would have stuck it out for a couple more games, if they were being "Paid")

End of story, lets move on.

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j boyle got a transfer from pike to c/p boyle came back to pike after 2 matches with c/p why???????not for money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by macca

Green Hoop if u say that there is not many places to go after Pike but LOI,why are yee hanging around in the junior leagues .Surely yee are so good that yee would **** threw the senior ranks.I was watching pike and carew game and with carew playing with two may be three players not good enough for the premier they still took yee all the way .By the way carew s two center halfs were solid with carey being man of the match

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bull.. carew had a full team.. explain??

St. Michael's beat Clonmel Town in 2nd rd of MJC today, 1-0 after extra time.
Both teams had a man sent off!

Limerick Lad i did not say that carew had nt a full side,What i was saying was that carew was carrying two maybe three players .U miss the point i was makeing was that if pike are so good how did carew take them all the way.

Was there a spitting incident in the Town v Saints match? I am hearing confliciting reports. Wasn't at the game so if a neutral was there I'd appreciate a comment.