Irish Sunderland fan here. Debate very interesting

jumped on the bandwagon and believe me its going to get worse in spades. I went to the Burnley match on Friday and there were irish over in droves. Most were from Cork/Munster area and most seemed to be divided into 2 groups: 1. Those lads just over to see Keanes Sunderland team and enjoying a ****up with there left over paddys day gear or 2. Irish lads who did not have a 'team' to support and now have latched onto this whole experience. I could not find a b and b or hotel in seaburn or roker and had to goto South Shields. BTW I have decided to catch the next Dundalk game that is in the dublin area...

Unless you count Kildare as the Dublin area you'll be waiting until next year to see Dundalk play a Dublin team in the league.

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Originally Posted by Poor Student

Unless you count Kildare as the Dublin area you'll be waiting until next year to see Dundalk play a Dublin team in the league.

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Eh, is Tolka Park not in Dublin?

He only has to wait til July;)

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Another thing I don't understand about the English football phenomena is how Irish fans can feel part of the same cultural group as the local fans.

Eg having gone to uni with 2 mad mackems, hating Newcastle United and Geordies is a core tenet of who they are and the really do hate them. How can someone from Ireland who goes to the odd match ever get close enough to even understand this?

Similarly, I always find it amusing when an Irish Man U/Liverpool fan announces their dislike for Scousers/Mancs. Why do they dislike them? Because they feel they have to? Totally ridiculous really when you think about it.

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Sure an Irish Sunderland fan wouldn't even stand a chance of being able to tell a Geordie and a Mackem accent apart. Most English don't.

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Originally Posted by irishboy99

jumped on the bandwagon and believe me its going to get worse in spades. I went to the Burnley match on Friday and there were irish over in droves. Most were from Cork/Munster area and most seemed to be divided into 2 groups: 1. Those lads just over to see Keanes Sunderland team and enjoying a ****up with there left over paddys day gear or 2. Irish lads who did not have a 'team' to support and now have latched onto this whole experience. I could not find a b and b or hotel in seaburn or roker and had to goto South Shields. BTW I have decided to catch the next Dundalk game that is in the dublin area...

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I thought you said you had a B&B all booked in Seaburn ??

Nevermind - sure when the bubble bursts and/or Keane leaves you'll have the run of Wearside B&B's to yourself, without having to stay in 'enemy territory'....

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Originally Posted by sligoman

Eh, is Tolka Park not in Dublin?

He only has to wait til July;)

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Forgot they had to play them another time away.:o

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Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

I thought you said you had a B&B all booked in Seaburn ??

Nevermind - sure when the bubble bursts and/or Keane leaves you'll have the run of Wearside B&B's to yourself, without having to stay in 'enemy territory'....

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With 44,000 going to the last game, the B&B's are going to be booked out every home game now, and I don't think Roy's going to leave just yet. He seems to be a man who sets a goal and then is absolutely determined to achieve it, so I'm sure his goal here is not simply promotion - there is a much longer-term plan in place, probably for at least another 3-5 years. It's going to be one hell of a big bubble... :)

Stampp, I would imagine that if Manure win the Prem and CL, Fergie will retire on a high leaving Keane the obvious replacement. I couldn't see him turning down that opportunity.

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Originally Posted by stampp

With 44,000 going to the last game, the B&B's are going to be booked out every home game now, and I don't think Roy's going to leave just yet. He seems to be a man who sets a goal and then is absolutely determined to achieve it, so I'm sure his goal here is not simply promotion - there is a much longer-term plan in place, probably for at least another 3-5 years. It's going to be one hell of a big bubble... :)

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I went to see you play Norwich at home in December under Keane, and the stadium was only half full ! Just goes to show the fickle nature of your current support.

You're right about Keano setting long term goals. His is to manage Man United, and then possibly to switch to Ireland pre-retirement (though not unless the FAI changes dramatically).

So his future can't be looked at in Sunderland terms. Do you honestly think Fergie will still be there in 5 years ? Sure - he was meant to have gone a couple of years ago as it is.

Keano has got his timing just right on this one. He'll only need one season to prove himself in the Prem. If he does a Wigan/Reading - i.e. gets Sunderland into upper mid-table and possible pushing for Europe - then you can expect the other MUFC to come knocking for him to replace Fergie for the start of the 2008/9 season, and Keane to open the door with a smile.

So don't be thinking he's there for anywhere near as long as you hope, as it's all in Man United's hands, not Sunderland's.

And regardless of how big a bubble gets - when it bursts, it still bursts... :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by BohsPartisan

Stampp, I would imagine that if Manure win the Prem and CL, Fergie will retire on a high leaving Keane the obvious replacement. I couldn't see him turning down that opportunity.

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Wouldn't think the board would allow it. Keane will need a couple of years top division experience, IMO, at the minimum before jumping to the top of their list (European experience as well, possibly).

Despite the hype - Newstalk this morning describing S'land promotion as an incredible achievement, unbelievable - Keane has pretty much matched Steve Bruce's record this year (main difference being the great recovery from Quinn's start) with far less coaching experience.

I do agree though that if Roy Keane is competing for Champions Leagues in 5 years time it will be with Man Utd. rather than Sunderland as the guy from Boylesports predicted.

McCarthy achievements with Wolves match keanes achievemetns this year . keane bought a whole new team while McCarthy sold half his defence

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Originally Posted by Fingal hoop

McCarthy achievements with Wolves match keanes achievemetns this year . keane bought a whole new team while McCarthy sold half his defence

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How can you say McCarthy has matched Keane's achievements ?.... last time I looked the league table confirmed that Sunderland have been promoted and Wolves may or may not get into the play offs... as for spending money Sunderland/Keane spent a net £1.1 , not sure how much Wolves have spent net ?

Anyone see the excellent article in the Sunday Tribs new sports magazine yesterday... showed photos of the so-called training pitch in Saipan whilst recently taken but according to the locals it was even worse in 2002... yet again another graphic reminder of McCarthy's most infamous achievement.

Also included interesting interviews with locals who were incredulos at the time that a team about to play in the World Cup finals were going there, unless it was to rest up rather than train and prepare... pity McCarthy at the time didn't manage to communicate that fact to Keane ie it was a few days of a "jolly" driniking with his journalists mates like Dervan etc before moving on to Japan to finalise preparations. I guess it is decisions made at key moments like that which define the difference between great managers and poor ones, and McCarthy continues to show he is a poor manager... in respect of Keane it is too early to decide but early indications are very positive.

and got barney breen in.

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Originally Posted by Calcio Jack

How can you say McCarthy has matched Keane's achievements ?.... last time I looked the league table confirmed that Sunderland have been promoted and Wolves may or may not get into the play offs... as for spending money Sunderland/Keane spent a net £1.1 , not sure how much Wolves have spent net ?

Anyone see the excellent article in the Sunday Tribs new sports magazine yesterday... showed photos of the so-called training pitch in Saipan whilst recently taken but according to the locals it was even worse in 2002... yet again another graphic reminder of McCarthy's most infamous achievement.

Also included interesting interviews with locals who were incredulos at the time that a team about to play in the World Cup finals were going there, unless it was to rest up rather than train and prepare... pity McCarthy at the time didn't manage to communicate that fact to Keane ie it was a few days of a "jolly" driniking with his journalists mates like Dervan etc before moving on to Japan to finalise preparations. I guess it is decisions made at key moments like that which define the difference between great managers and poor ones, and McCarthy continues to show he is a poor manager... in respect of Keane it is too early to decide but early indications are very positive.

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in the way that id consider the manager of Colchester to be doing a better job than the traitor is doing at cash rich sunderland

the article in the tribune said the team went there for R&R before the WC but keane couldnt do that -he is to angry for that -sure look how angry he was when he chased linker through temple bar trying to get a packet of crisps

Keane v McCarthy going to ruin a decent thread again?

Decent Thread??

Link??? :confused:

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Originally Posted by Fingal hoop

in the way that id consider the manager of Colchester to be doing a better job than the traitor is doing at cash rich sunderland

the article in the tribune said the team went there for R&R before the WC but keane couldnt do that -he is to angry for that -sure look how angry he was when he chased linker through temple bar trying to get a packet of crisps

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Cash rich ??? as I mentioned he spent a net £1.1m on players having inherited a the remenants of a squad put together by McCarthy that managed 15 points last season and was languishing in 23rd spot when he took over.

The debate is about Keane v McCaerthy and Colchesters managers performance has nothing to do with that but if you want to rate it fair enough.

The article said the team went for RnR... however the point is McCarthy in advance of going to Saipan didn't discuss that option with his captain, also when they got to Saipan they were expected to train on the dangerous (remember Finnan damaged his ankle on it) and of course the skips with the training gear hadn't arrived.... so if I was a player I'd understand from that,that I was supposed to be there to train.... and it was that complete failure by McCarthy to communicate that was one of the roots of why Keane got frustrated... still good ol' Mick played the part of the boozy sterotype "we're here for a laugh Paddy" to perfection , instead of like Keane believing we had the ability to win the World Cup and wanting to intensly focus on that. difference is Keane knows when to act the maggot and play the "sterotype Paddy" ie his highly lucrative (money to charity btw) apperence in the Walker ad as against McCarthy doing it at a crucial time and ruining our chance of winning the W/C.

McCarthy's problem I suspect was that he recognised in Keane a vastly more brilliant and committed individual than him and instead of being able to manage and focus all Keanes powers for the good of the team instead because of his lack of self belief and self doubt issues ended up getting rid of Keane to try and fool himself and the world that he was in comand .When people call Keane a traitor it makes me laugh as the real traitor was McCarthy because of his cowardice of been unable to accept he made a mistake and acknowledge that to Keane... IMO McCarthy is to Keane what Dev Valera was to Collins except this time around our hero has survived and prospered despite been shot in the back and his nemisis has been shown for what he is a "second rate manager" destined to trawl the backwaters of the lower divisions.

ps... maybe it's time to listen to my missus and "get over it" !!! but ther'd be no fun in that

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Cash rich ??? as I mentioned he spent a net £1.1m on players having inherited a the remenants of a squad put together by McCarthy that managed 15 points last season and was languishing in 23rd spot when he took over.

The debate is about Keane v McCaerthy and Colchesters managers performance has nothing to do with that but if you want to rate it fair enough.

The article said the team went for RnR... however the point is McCarthy in advance of going to Saipan didn't discuss that option with his captain, also when they got to Saipan they were expected to train on the dangerous (remember Finnan damaged his ankle on it) and of course the skips with the training gear hadn't arrived.... so if I was a player I'd understand from that,that I was supposed to be there to train.... and it was that complete failure by McCarthy to communicate that was one of the roots of why Keane got frustrated... still good ol' Mick played the part of the boozy sterotype "we're here for a laugh Paddy" to perfection , instead of like Keane believing we had the ability to win the World Cup and wanting to intensly focus on that. difference is Keane knows when to act the maggot and play the "sterotype Paddy" ie his highly lucrative (money to charity btw) apperence in the Walker ad as against McCarthy doing it at a crucial time and ruining our chance of winning the W/C.

McCarthy's problem I suspect was that he recognised in Keane a vastly more brilliant and committed individual than him and instead of being able to manage and focus all Keanes powers for the good of the team instead because of his lack of self belief and self doubt issues ended up getting rid of Keane to try and fool himself and the world that he was in comand .When people call Keane a traitor it makes me laugh as the real traitor was McCarthy because of his cowardice of been unable to accept he made a mistake and acknowledge that to Keane... IMO McCarthy is to Keane what Dev Valera was to Collins except this time around our hero has survived and prospered despite been shot in the back and his nemisis has been shown for what he is a "second rate manager" destined to trawl the backwaters of the lower divisions.

ps... maybe it's time to listen to my missus and "get over it" !!! but ther'd be no fun in that

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yeah like collins keane is a traitor too -good comparison

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Originally Posted by Philly

I mean. You have a local team I'm sure. Yea, they might not be a big club, but it's where you come from so tough ****, I know the feeling, I'm from Kildare.

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Funny but true! I cant understand the "love" people have for big clubs. How can you feel part of something like that when you seldom or ever see the team play in the flesh?

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Originally Posted by gufcfan

Funny but true! I cant understand the "love" people have for big clubs. How can you feel part of something like that when you seldom or ever see the team play in the flesh?

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I think it's easy actually for those that haven't been exposed to local football. It's only when the priority has been changed to local football that you can see the difference.