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Typical. Croke Park opens its doors to foreign and fantastic field sports and yet Tallaght Municipal Stadium remains closed to handy-grips, top-pegging and, most worryingly, tip-in-the-hat. The fact that leaping in various ways will be allowed to take place in the ground is scant consolation. SCANT! :mad:Quote:
Ball-playing, hurling, football-kicking according to
Irish rules, ‘casting,’ leaping in various ways, wrestling,
handy-grips, top-pegging, leap-frog, rounders,
tip-in-the hat
Why is it one or the other?
soccer's problems are soccer's problems! end of story.Quote:
Originally Posted by BohDiddley
both associations are in competetion with each other for players, funding and spectators.
it is like any other business with limited resources and a limited marketplace, you try to be better than your competitor, not give him handouts!
if the GAA refused to let soccer into croke park because they felt that it might enhance their competitors popularity at their own expense then that would be acceptable. fact is they let them in and the FAI sould be very happy and grateful. they are COMPETETORS, in competition with each other. why do people associated with soccer in this country not see this?
what has the FAI ever done, or been asked to do, or even needed to be asked to do for the GAA? the GAA is self-sufficent while the FAI is like the poor neighbour looking for a hand-out.
the GAA is an infinately better run organisation nationwide than soccer. Fact!
in my eyes the people in this country who beat the GAA up and critise them are more than likely suffering from jealousy. the GAA is better run, better attended and has better facilities than soccer.
i am a soccer man first and foremost but am also a GAA supporter, i prefer soccer as a game but appreciate both GAA games also. the GAA is so superior an organisation than the FAI that they don't bear comparison. in this country, when it comes to organisation and facilities it is 1. GAA .... back a fair bit ... 2. IRFU .... and miles in the rear....... 3.FAI.
The FAI's problems are totally their own fault, how on earth can you point at their competetors? are Fine Gael's shortcomings the fault of Fianna Fail? are Aer Lingus's problems the fault of Ryan Air? do the makers of the xbox go to the makers of the playstation to use their spanking new factory because they cannot afford their own machinery?
While I hope Rovers win the case I do agree with the above 100%. Lotto funding will go to anyone who asks for it and can also use their own funds. The fact is senior football in Ireland has made a balls of it starting with the FAI. Rovers is a case in point but not the only example. I don't have much time for the GAA but the fact remains they are an example that we should be trying to achieve in running their sports and facilites.Quote:
Originally Posted by galwayhoop
The GAA is a far better run organisation than the FAI, that is undeniable. But what has that got to do with the GAA's attempted landgrab in Tallaght when clubs out there already have excellent facilities, while the county board has 26 undeveloped acres just down the road that Minister O'Donoghue has already offered to fund generously?
i think everyone on this forum is backing Rovers on the Tallaght issue, myself included. i am just a bit píssed off at the bigotry, vile organisation hysteria which has accompanied the arguements. the fact is that if the 2 organisations are competitors of one another and as such why do people on here not understand that the GAA are not going to bend over backwards to help out the joke of an organisation which runs soccer in this country, and why should they?**Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Lord
the tallaght issue an open and shut case IMO. tallaght is for Rovers, end of issue. however, the fact is that the people who have been in charge of running this great club for many years have been the real problem to the club and not the GAA. that is only a recent issue, i mean to say the rovers with no home issue is 20 years old! the problems with TD are only in the last few years. Also, you really have to wonder if the Tallaght stadium was an exclusively GAA stadium would it not have been finished years ago?
** not talking about tallaght here specifically but in general
You seem to want to say that you are for football on this, but at the same time you want to discuss anything and everything other than Tallaght.
Galwayhoop, you trot out the usual GAA bigotry concealer that somehow sport in Ireland is a zero sum gain, ie what benefits one is automatically bad for the other.
I've never seen any evidence to back this up, anywhere, never mind in Ireland (eg. high correlations between a rise in attendences in one sport and a fall in another). I have however seen evidence in Australia that a rising tide floats all boats, ie participation in one sport is actually more likely to induce participation in other sports.
Until I see evidence backing up that whats good for football is bad for rugby, GAA etc and vice versa, I'll continue to view this as thinly veiled bigotry from an organisation whose members, within a generation, spread glass on soccer pitches and formed vigilante committees to spy on people playing "foreign sports".
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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
it's not bigotry. i am a soccer supporter. i also enjoy GAA. read my posts above.
wikiipedia:
A bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his own
i never said that i agreed with the stand point of the GAA i merely pointed out their viewpoint, as i see it, to allow a more balance view of the debate. some of the uneducated hodge-podge on this thread is at best ill-informed. a lot of people who are involved in soccer, and yes i include some of the previous posters on this thread, feel that the GAA owe something to soccer/FAI. why? are you that blinkered that you can't see they are merely looking out for their own house?
as for one sport hurting another. most people i know involved in sport/supporters of sport, support their local soccer team and the national team (and more often than not a british team) but are just as avid supporters of their local GAA county teams. i see no problem with this. none whatsoever. but the people organising sport, be that at league, county or national levels are in the main protective of their sports and concerned at loosing players to another code. while at a young age it is good to play all sports, if you want to specialise in one (meaning at the highest level) the others must go by the wayside. and this is probably at around 14/15 years of age. it is only logical that people involved in the ruling bodies of sporting organisations are concerned about people choosing another sport at the expense of thier one.
Galway hoop,
My problem with the ban is not that it keeps competition out of Croke Park per se, it's that local communities are split and affected by this edict handed down from on high with which they must comply.
Firstly, GAA clubs saying that if they remove their rule then all GAA pitches will be overrun with soccer doesn't wash - there are many soccer clubs where only soccer is played, rugby clubs where it's only rugby, etc, etc. The sad fact is that there can be a situation such as a Munster rugby team that lots of Kerry people would love to see play in Killarney, yet this chance is denied them due to a rule imposed by Croke Park.
My second gripe with the rule is its blatant inconsistency. Boxing and American football are apparently fine for Croke Park, as are inummerable concerts that have nothing to do with the GAA's self appointed status as guardians of Irish culture and sport.
Thirdly, this view of other sports as competitors is hogwash and endemic of an inferiority complex. While there is faint argument to be made in relation to big events, when it comes to kids and the young populations, the various sports are not in competition with each other, but are rather in competition with Playstations, X-Boxes, underage drinking etc.. Interviews with all the rugby and soccer players to come to Croke Park all centre on how these players played GAA growing up and there is a long list of players who played everything growing up. However, I have never heard of any GAA player who gave the slightest nod to a "foreign" sport as helping his fitness/ball skills/positioning etc. To me, this smacks as I said of inferiority complex, which manifests itself in negative comments about other sports rather than positive comments about GAA (witness the countless references to how you wouldn't see Ronaldinho/Ronaldo/whoever take a shoulder/hit like that during games running concurrently with the World Cup).
Fourthly, while I'm at it, in relation to the opening up of GAA grounds, is the complete lack of acknowledgement that other sports have and do and will continue to allow GAA teams to use their facilities. Linfield in the North for example. Harking back to my first point, this is a gesture that cannot be reciprocated, irrespective of the wishes of the club facilitated, as the overriding instruction from "Headquarters" is that it is forbidden.
As a fifth and final point, again on the inferiority theme, it's the lionisation of the amateur status of GAA players. I competed in Track and Field at a fairly high level - Irish Universities team, national senior medals - and was completely amateur without being "looked after" to anything like the same extent as GAA players. The GAA does not have a monopoly on commitment to amateur sports and it is galling to hear them constantly praising themselves for efforts that frequently fall far short of players in other sports. I have had several discussions with inter-county players on their various training regimes and to be honest, what I've heard is not particularly impressive. I do admit that EL standards aren't much higher and I consistently bemoan the lack of professionalism amongst so-called professional players.
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Originally Posted by galwayhoop
no they DONT
they just want the GAA to fck off out of a stadium project that has nothing to do with them
after 5 1/2 years I can agree with WWS again
Well dont to the GAA in all its endeavours, they are making a tidy sum out of renting ONE of their grounds on 8 occassions. that a completely different story when demanding that Lansdowne be designed to allow Gah games or that Tallaght be partitioned...
Galwayhoop makes quite a few good general points and maybe should start a seperate thread to discuss them but this thread is about the Tallaght case in particular.
The undeniable fact that the GAA are better organised than the FAI isn't really relevant to this thread, which involves the GAA seeking a judical review of an SDCC vote.
Presumably the GAA don't object to Rovers getting equal access rights to the 20 acres in Rathcoole already provided by SDCC?
Any views on that Galwayhoop?
the gaa dont have any access rights yet! isnt that the whole problem with that site!??!Quote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
Galwayhoop you're a breath of fresh air.
It's embarrassing sometimes to be associated with a sport where people use such vitriolic language to describe those they don't agree with - a real haven for bigots if you ask me.
Shamrock R should get stadium - no question.
Gaa has done and continues to do great work - no question
Both codes have their fair share of bigots - no question!
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Originally Posted by new blue
and what has this to do with anything?
The thread is about Shamrock Rovers in Tallaght - check the title.
Start a thread in off topic if you feel there hasnt been enough gaelic backslapping. Its totally irrelevant here and off topic. Braeth of fresh air?? a breath of irrelavance more like.
Let me ask you one question Galwayhoop, what do you think the GAA's agenda in Tallaght is?Quote:
Originally Posted by galwayhoop
Their agenda is to be "the last man standing".
I'll also just point out again to the few here who are still blinkered - rule 42 still exists. It hasn't gone away you know.
This is simply insane.Quote:
Originally Posted by new blue
How is it that, whenever the GAA try some outrageous stunt like this, it is those who object to it who are called bigots? What is that? :confused: