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Staunton wasn't "duped" into anything. He applied for a job he couldn't do and was hired by the man with the plan.
He may have thought that there was nothing to it and that he'd figure it out as he went along, but now is the time for him to hold his hand up and admit that he's out of his depth.
He should definitely be sacked. No manager can keep his job after a result like Saturdays.
One thing is for sure that Stan will not resign because he knows he will never get another management job in football after this utter disaster.
Ok I Know he applied for the job. Delaney must have thought it was christmas, when Stans CV Landed on his desk he'd found his scapegoat and now Stans carrer is in tatters because of "the man with the plan" I feel sorry for stan because had he been given a few years to work his way up through the ranks then he probably would have made a real go of management as it is he's damaged goods and will find it really difficult to resurrect his managerial career from the ashes of this debacleQuote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
What career?Quote:
Originally Posted by Block G Raptor
Delaney was the first person to call Staunton a "Manager."
He didn't have a career in management before this and hopefully wont have one afterwards either.
Thats the point I'm Making whatever chance he had of being a manager at some point in the future is now gone because he rushed headlong into a john delaney constructed ambushQuote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
Had he stayed in his coaching role at walsall he may or may not someday having gained experiance become a decent or better manager, now there is no chance of that happening. have you ever heard of anyone going from international management to a coaching role with a lower league team? no didn't think so. thats what stan needs to do but i cant see it
He must have knew he'd be out of his depth. If I went for a group manager or director position at my workplace I'd sink. You need experience. This international football management melarkey is 1000 times the pressure and stress of aforementioned jobs.
Delaney knew Stan would be a) cheap and b) a good yes man.
Stan never applied for the job. He was offered it. I'm sure that the thought never even crossed his mind before that.
Yeah thats what I toughtQuote:
Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge
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Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge
Staunton still took the job, if he had any brain at all he would have ran a mile or even considered it in a few years time after getting a few years experience at club level.....He has no experience at all but took an International team managers job....In all fairness, he should have a bit of cop on. He more than anyone should have more sence than to take the job cos i'm sure he knows what soccer means to the country....But then again he's a clown........
In real terms, that clown delaney did the equivalent of placing a graduate accountant as a Financial Controller of a Major Company..
Stan was foolish to take the Job and his constant rambling of 2010 being his aimed only serve to prove he is not that intelligent and bought into the interview talk that delaney gave him.... I can't tell you of how tired and sickened I was by those repetitive comments of Stans
Yep agree 100% with that. we got lucky with the draw we got in the end (look at scotland ffs) and still he wrote off our chances before a ball was kicked no wonder the players don't give a Fcuk when the manager is telling the whole world we'll be crap for three year's to comeQuote:
Originally Posted by Reality Bites
Brave post Block G Raptor.I deard to think of the abuse Stan is going to get after Wed.No he cant to the job but lets not forget his passion and commitment as a player.I cant think for the life of me who will be a suitable choice to take over.John Toshack?:p
Yeah I mentioned that in another thread. For all his managerial failings he was a great servent for us and doesn't deserve any nasty chants aimed at him.Quote:
Originally Posted by cheifo
And what about Bobby Robson ... is Delaney responsible for his health problems? Staunton took on the job under the impression he'd have a very experienced and respected coach to help him and that's not how things have panned out through noone's fault ... still I do feel for him though because the vast majority of people aren't going to be that sympathetic!
can't see why he would be appointed just to fail in fairness. i know delaney is an eegit but can't see him appointing someone just to fail as there would be no reason for that. the follow on to another humilating result on wednesday could be:
1. low croke park attendances for this campagin:
V san marino, slovakia, cyprus, san marino without the jollies and band wagoners there may be as little as 20,000 for some of the above games especially san marino.
2. seeded 4th or 5th in next campaign therefore no real chance of qualification for 2010. and possible retirements of players hitting their 30's to 'concentrate on club careers' - ie if we aren't going to qualify for major tournaments why waste our time. players approaching that age category in 2 years are duff, keane, dunne & given
3. no manager worth his salt applying for post in the medium-long term.
4. players of an even less standard declaring for us in the future.
in fairness the removal of kerr and subsquent replacement of staunton is beginning to look careless and shortsighted in the extreme but i don't believe that it is malious or pre-planned by delaney and his friends in the fai!!
interesting how the word FAIL contains all three letters of our nation association! wonder what the 'L' stands for?? if i was from cork i'd guess langers
We're playing San Marino in Lansdowne Road.Quote:
Originally Posted by galwayhoop
yeah sound, but the point is if we have another 'mare tomorrow we will really struggle for a crowd
Whatever about the appointment of Staunton, the removal of Kerr was malicious and Delaney and his elements were spinning against Kerr from the time he (Delaney) took up his position in Merrion Square. Kerr wasn't Delaneys choice (he let it be known he was the one on the panel who wanted Bryan Robson), so he was gone by fair means or foul.Quote:
Originally Posted by galwayhoop
The removal of Kerr and the appointment of an inferior manager was incompetent at the very least, before you take into account the claims of bringing in a "World Class" manager - Delaney must take responsibility for this and resign.
Totally agree Macy, good post.
I wrote this for a local paper when Brian Kerr got the chop: it now makes poignant reading:
"The FAI has done it again. Despite the fact that three quarters of the population wanted him to stay on, they have decided, in their collective wisdom, not to award Brian Kerr a new contract. They have forgotten the fact that Ireland has, for too long, enjoyed the success of being a soccer nation that is fighting above its weight.
Blame Jack Charlton. He fed the kids of the 1980s a diet of relative success, nurturing a nation into believing that it had a God-given right to be in the World Cup finals every four years. He created a scenario where his successor was allowed to “manage” the national team for six years without complaint. The media never called for his resignation, despite some woeful results, as they did with Kerr.
It was only when a passionate Roy Keane exposed the charade being carried on by the FAI that things began to go wrong. The tsunami that Jack started finally reached the shore and Brian Kerr was its last victim, as it peters out in the sands of time. The media, influencing the FAI’s mindset as always, had their knives out for Kerr before the Cyprus game. Suddenly, everybody was parroting what they read in the papers, and the Irish team took to the field in Cyprus to defend a manager who had become useless overnight.
That night, Shay Given had so many shots to save that he must have thought the ceasefire in the North was over. Still, we won, but the knife-sharpeners kept honing their blades, joined now by the TV pundits. Brian Kerr failed to qualify the Irish team last Wednesday, yet only lost one game in a ten-match campaign. Such a record would not have got his two predecessors the sack.
He has only lost four games in his entire tenure as Irish manager, but that is not good enough for the new age, post-Genesis FAI suits. Even Roy Keane the Perfectionist must have smiled wryly at the plight of the Irish manager. He probably sealed Kerr’s fate by saying that criticism of him was unfair and unjust, thus annoying the FAI even more, and stoking their ire.
Brian Kerr must wonder where he went wrong. Maybe he should have adapted the bullying tactics of Jack Charlton, which kept everybody in line, especially the FAI and the media. Maybe he should not have made up with Roy Keane, the man who exposed Mick McCarthy and Kerr’s erstwhile employers, the FAI. And maybe he should have mollycoddled the media by allowing them to secretly go on the **** with the squad before matches, as his predecessor had done in Saipan.
The media and pundits, some of them failed managers themselves, talked about Kerr using wrong tactics and ill-advised formations. The bandwagon passengers who then started shouting for Kerr’s head, were people who think that tactics are small minty sweets that came in plastic boxes and that Michael Flatley invented formations for a dance show called Riverdance.
Then we have the attitude taken by the likes of Stephen Carr, who decides at 29 years of age that it’s not worth his while pulling on an Irish shirt again as he will be too old to play in the next World Cup finals. This tells us a lot about the makeup and mindset of the players that Kerr was dealing with. Whatever happened to the pride and passion that players felt when they were picked to represent their country, irrespective of the outcome or whether doing so affected their earning ability over the next five years? Is Brian Kerr the only man who still has such passion? It would seem that this trait was his Achilles’ heel. The FAI, led by a man who by never wanted Kerr in the job anyway, have decided that the most successful Irish manager ever is not good enough to manage a dispassionate Irish senior side anymore.
Brian Kerr’s successor will have to be a peculiar fish. He will have to fall in with the FAI’s way of working or they will isolate him as they did with Kerr. He cannot display too much passion or he will walk the same lonely road that Keane and Kerr now share.
That rules out Martin O’Neill, Alex Ferguson and the other feisty and passionate candidates out there. We are left with the wimps and the has-beens. We all know who they are and God help Irish football when the FAI finally appoint one of them to replace Kerr. "