Stuart Byrnes RTE Rant

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20/11/2006, 2:23 PM
dcfcsteve

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Originally Posted by higgins

All comes back to Ollie and how you hate Shels ?

I do hate Olly - not through some irrational urge as you may like to think, but because he is a dangerous man who has both the potential and the clear desire to tear Irish football down with him as his club - the only think he has in his wifeless/partnerless/child-less life - is unravelling around him. I don't displike Shels per se - I just find it very difficult to like them whilst that convict is at the helm destroying all around him in a desparate attempt to retain the only thing of any meaning in his life.

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Originally Posted by higgins

Hard to have a proper debate with you if your hatred of Ollie keeps getting in the way. I thought I made a comment on european runs and Derry not knowing much about Champions League football ? What has your rant got to do with that ?

Oh I see - your cheap and childish jibe re Derry not being in the Champions League was actually a central part of your mature arguement was it ? :rolleyes:

Ok then - in response : the only way Shels fans will be seeing the words 'Champions' and 'League' used in the same breath after next year is when you're battling with the likes of Monaghan and Kilkenny for the First Division title once your club has self-destructed. Happy now that I've made my jibe about as relevant as yours....? :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by higgins

I had a quick look ....
For a start we played 8 games so I dont have a clue why you only listed 6 ?

Firstly, because you only played 3 teams in any single competition. Secondly, because the comparison was with 2 other Irish clubs who'd faced 3 sides in a single European competition. Thirdly, I'll happily add your results against Lille into the grid if you like, as the draw and defeat you managed against them does little to alter the comparison anyway ! Derry still amassed more points in their run playing one opponent less than you did in yours....! :o
20/11/2006, 2:25 PM
dcfcsteve

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Originally Posted by David

Brilliant, sort of shafts Steve's argument that one. :D

Really ? See my above post, Captain Bitter....

:rolleyes:
20/11/2006, 2:26 PM
hoops1

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Originally Posted by David

Here's that old Derry City chip on both shoulders. Best European results ever? I would say Shels run in the Champions league a few years ago might outdo you in that one, not to mention Linfield getting to the quarter finals of the European Cup but I suppose it is only a matter of time until Derry, the self proclaimed greatest club in the world qualify for the group stages of the Champions League. Oh that's right I forgot, that would mean you actually winning the league first

:D Spot on.
20/11/2006, 2:31 PM
dcfcsteve

To soothe your masochistic tendency Higgins, and to show you up for being a clueless WUM David, I've added the Shels v Lille scores into the comparative table for European runs to show how it makes feck all difference to the overall picture :

P W D L F A PTS
Shels 2004 8 1 4 3 8 12 7
Derry 2006 6 3 2 1 9 5 11

Average points per game : Shels 0.875 ; Derry 1.833. More than double.

Average goals per game : Shels 1 ; Derry 1.5 . 50% more.

Average goals conceeded per game : Shels 1.5 ; Derry 0.833. Almost half as many.

Any other way you'd like me to cut your humble pie, sirs....? :rolleyes:
20/11/2006, 2:33 PM
dcfcsteve

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Originally Posted by hoops1

:D Spot on.

Afternoon Hoops1.

Have you actually bothered to read any of the previous posts, or were you just too excited at the prospect of slagging Derry to bother to see if the facts even supported it......? :rolleyes:
20/11/2006, 2:36 PM
MrJoeSoap

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Originally Posted by 1Davy

Yeah you really took that defeat really well.

One picture is worth a thousand words ......

http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/9397/crowejg1oy3.jpg

Yeah it only paints a thousand words because there is nothing else you can say on the issue. I shook hands with plenty of Derry fans that night, despite the fact I was hit with a nagan bottle and a coin.
20/11/2006, 2:39 PM
dcfcsteve

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Originally Posted by MrJoeSoap

Yeah it only paints a thousand words because there is nothing else you can say on the issue. I shook hands with plenty of Derry fans that night, despite the fact I was hit with a nagan bottle and a coin.

Nothing compared to what goes on in Tolka on a weekly basis, to be fair, so dry your eyes.

At least you've accepted that Shels were sore losers that night.
20/11/2006, 2:39 PM
lofty9

David.... I know you actually had a good word to say about us!!! Look what I found in reference to last years Setanta!!:D

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Originally Posted by David

To be honest going on each team's game against us Derry are a far superior side to Shelbourne.
20/11/2006, 2:44 PM
Jerry The Saint

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Originally Posted by wws

back on topic steweys rant was world class and worthy of live prime time tv (he actually had a further go on radio - if anything topping that rant!)

we need more of that sort of thing

legendary

easily the best contribution shels have ever made to the development of the league as an entertaining product

It was the classic warped Shels rant and a great indication of how Ollie infects those around him with his trademark paranoia, bitterness and total lack of class. Just look at any number of Fenlon's rants over the years. Rico's freakout earlier in the season was notable because separation from Ollie adds it's own level of bitterness "I used to benefit from the pro-Shels bias, now I'm getting ridden ROCK SOLID!".

Byrne started off with the default footballer-speak cliches - "Yeah, fantastic, I'm absolutely delighted" but you can pinpoint the exact second when all sense and reason departed from his eyes :D

".....ehh, I'm angry! I'm angry Tony, to be honest with you."

Only a true apprentice of Darth Ollie could view the bankruptcy of Dublin City as a plot to ROB Shels of the league title! :eek:
20/11/2006, 2:46 PM
David

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Originally Posted by lofty9

David.... I know you actually had a good word to say about us!!! Look what I found in reference to last years Setanta!!:D

Yes and going by the performances against us I stand by that, Derry I felt were the better team from the two but over the course of the season is what matters and the league table simply does not lie, the team that wins the league are the best in the country, end of story.
20/11/2006, 2:49 PM
hoops1

Afternoon stalker.
Listen very carefully I shall say this only once.
CL is better than the Uefa cup. The teams are better, the games are harder to win and the further you go the quality is far better plus the trophy is nicer.
99% of the whinging this year has come from Derry not Shels amazingly even
when Derry have won.
Shels deserved the league Derry bottled it.Trophies are what count not memories and Shels have won the biggest in the country.When its all over you
can tell great tales of winning those league cups.Nothing else matters as no one cares
20/11/2006, 2:51 PM
David

Derry fans (and Steve in particular) are very fond of stats. Here is the only one that matters at the minute:

http://www.eleven-a-side.com/statistics/premier.asp
20/11/2006, 3:04 PM
OneRedArmy

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Originally Posted by hoops1

Trophies are what count not memories

Ironic from a Rovers fan.

PS 1st division titles don't count, not even as a half.
20/11/2006, 3:12 PM
MrJoeSoap

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Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

Nothing compared to what goes on in Tolka on a weekly basis, to be fair, so dry your eyes.

My eyes are dry, and my smile is still wide from Friday, thanks.

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Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

At least you've accepted that Shels were sore losers that night.

As much as you wish I would, I haven't.
20/11/2006, 3:21 PM
WeAreRovers

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Ironic from a Rovers fan.

Why? Because we've won more trophies than anyone else? Not sure you've fully grasped the concept of irony. :confused:

KOH
20/11/2006, 3:43 PM
razor

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Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

To soothe your masochistic tendency Higgins, and to show you up for being a clueless WUM David, I've added the Shels v Lille scores into the comparative table for European runs to show how it makes feck all difference to the overall picture :

P W D L F A PTS
Shels 2004 8 1 4 3 8 12 7
Derry 2006 6 3 2 1 9 5 11

Average points per game : Shels 0.875 ; Derry 1.833. More than double.

Average goals per game : Shels 1 ; Derry 1.5 . 50% more.

Average goals conceeded per game : Shels 1.5 ; Derry 0.833. Almost half as many.

Any other way you'd like me to cut your humble pie, sirs....? :rolleyes:

Doing all the points & stuff is ridiculous. The Champions League is a stronger competition than the UEFA Cup. Both Shels & Derrys runs were admirable but Shels does rank higher in my opinion.
Swedish football is awful and Irish teams have been consistantly beating Swedish opposition for years, Then beat a 2nd tier Scottish team and went out to a bottom of the table French side. Deportivo were a class outfit at the time Shels played them.
20/11/2006, 3:53 PM
gustavo

You can twist the stats to suit you either way , Lille might be a bottom of the table French side , or they might be a side that went on to finish 2nd that season:)
20/11/2006, 4:05 PM
dcfcsteve

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Originally Posted by hoops1

Afternoon stalker.
Listen very carefully I shall say this only once.
CL is better than the Uefa cup. The teams are better, the games are harder to win and the further you go the quality is far better plus the trophy is nicer.
99% of the whinging this year has come from Derry not Shels amazingly even
when Derry have won.
Shels deserved the league Derry bottled it.Trophies are what count not memories and Shels have won the biggest in the country.When its all over you
can tell great tales of winning those league cups.Nothing else matters as no one cares

You can tell you clearly haven't read the thread, as I answered your CL comments earlier. Interesting to hear your view that drawing with Rejkyavik twice was a harder ask than beating Gotheborg twice. After all - it's the tournament that counts, not the teams you play in it.... :rolleyes:

As for your allegations re crying, not winning the league etc. Shels deserved to win the league over the season - end of story. Where have I said anything different ?

I've been criticising Ollie Byrne for years now, and will continue to do so regardless of who wins what, as I firmly believe that the man is a danger to Irish football. He has a psychological and emotional dependency upon Shels, as the things most other people have to add meaning and purpose to their lives (wives, partners, meaninful relationships, kids etc) are missing form his. If he loses Shels he loses the only thing in his life with any meaning to him, and as a result he is not capable of logical or rational thought re the club. And that is what makes hima danger to Irish football. Me pointing that out has feck all to do with trophies, titles or league cups, so stop putting 2 and 2 together and getting a crock of sh!t.

As for the "stalker" bit - a tortoise with superglue on his feet would have a better track record of stalking you than me. Nice try though.
20/11/2006, 4:08 PM
OneRedArmy

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Originally Posted by WeAreRovers

Why? Because we've won more trophies than anyone else? Not sure you've fully grasped the concept of irony. :confused:
KOH

I found the reference to trophies being more important than memories amusing and ironic from a fan of a club that clings to its memories more than any other.

Unless of course memories of trophies are worth significantly more than memories of no trophies?

We all know that in time Shels trophies will live in the memory the same way those of Drumcondra, Transport and countless defunct Cork teams do.
20/11/2006, 4:11 PM
dcfcsteve

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Originally Posted by David

Derry fans (and Steve in particular) are very fond of stats. Here is the only one that matters at the minute:

http://www.eleven-a-side.com/statistics/premier.asp

No - you forgot one other one that matters at the minute David..... :

http://irishpremierleague.com/statistics.htm

You may have a bit of a struggle on your hands to even qualify for the following year's Setanta Cup at this rate..... :o

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