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I recently saw a piece piece pushing for Drogheda to become a city that said the urban area had a pop of 70k and now it appears that Dundalk is the same size, yet the population of Louth in total is just 123k, maybe it's the creative approach to figures in the NE that makes Dundalk an attractive proposition to investors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
A large part of the population of Drogheda is in Co. Meath.Quote:
Originally Posted by redarmyfaction
Have to think the announcement us imminent. I could be wrong but I'd imagine peak 6 will want to make a positive start by funding the signing of a few new players. Not much point in waiting until after the window closes. If they want to do a Rosenberg why wait for July to assemble a squad to dominate
We’ll make them pay through the nose for our lads.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
List of Irish towns by size from the last census for anybody that's curious, potential investors might be interested to know that Dundalk and suburbs has a pop of 39k.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_urban_areas_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland_by_ population
Mostly areas along the river dodder but spreading to anything south of the grand canal, pretty easy reallyQuote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
Jeez down with the sort of thing. Just as well dem Yanks don't read foot.is yetQuote:
Originally Posted by redarmyfaction
It wasnt a p1ssing match I was trying to start. Whether it is 50k or 70k makes little difference to the general point. Dundalk Urban, Rural and Enviorns combined, a hinterland or catchment area if you like has an estimated 70k people. Best not live outside the urban boundry (and suburbs) of any town otherwise you cease to exist? As that most reliable source of knowledge that wikipedia is try the figures here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dundalk. I dont know which are closest to reality but as the above raf's link says list of urban area as 39k and there might just be a few people in outlying villages and rural areas that would be included by the general term of catchment; Add to that those who travel from Newry(yes there is quite a following from Newry from prior to them having a senior team in the city), Monaghan, mid-Louth etc and it does add up to a potential amount . But regardles i didnt mean the figures to be an affront to people from other towns watching population league tables, guesstimates or not!
As an aside raf the guy pushing city status also proposed Scotch Hall Shopping Centre to be converted in to Drogheda IT and has submitted the same report numerous times post census years. I wont say he has cooked the books but he was commissioned to do the report each time by a group led by a bit of a fruit. If there is ever to be a town redesignated as a city Sligo, Athlone and Tralee would be top of the list before any other irrespective of population tbh.
Dead easy Rathfarnham, anything south of the Grand Canal...Kildare, Wicklow, Cork, Tallaght, (via Milltown, Morten, RDS, Tolka, Inchicore, Dalymount in no particular order). Where is the river Dodder anyway...
On the topic of catchment area, Dundalk has a considerable support over the border, not just from Newry but a lot of areas in south Armagh and busses ran from a lot of these spots for the last 3 cup finals. This isn’t a new thing either as a lot of previous generation support came from those parts in the 60’s and 70’s.
Anyway latest date for the takeover to be signed and announced is tomorrow I hear. Then again, we’ve heard this before, many times.
Well in Dublin obviously... I thought that was obvious but clearly I need to go slower for some people, though being the biggest club historically in the country obviously there are pockets of fans in other surrounding areas but they wouldn't be considered "Rovers territory", they'd be more no mans land.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
Apparently the concept of using Google to find out information you don't know hasn't reached where you are yet so I'll just tell you the Dodder is a river that goes through Tallaght, Milltown and Ringsend, ie the 3 areas associated with Rovers the most.
As you'll know temporary homes don't tend to result in fanbases developing in those areas (Monaghan, Tallaght in no particular order) it's normally more a case of the fans from the normal areas travelling there.
Anyway good luck with your American overlords who are definitely buying you for the love of the club.
Meow!! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by RathfarnhamHoop
The River Dodder, mypost's direct route to and from all spots Shamrock Rovers, that was the Tallaght master plan all along!!
You got there eventuallyQuote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
I did - internet in the sticks stinks! Im sure mypost did too as did Shamrock Rover tbf
According to Daniel McDonnell's analysis piece today in the Indo, only 21% of the league clubs revenue in 2016 came from gate receipts - the population catchment area is probably not as significant an issue as many believe
The percentage figure would also be even lower in Dundalk's case in 2016 despite gates being decent in a LoI context
https://www.independent.ie/sport/soc...-36496919.htmlQuote:
Their latest figures touch on the 2016 financial year, a slightly unique one in the local context with Dundalk pocketing the bulk of their European rewards from their extraordinary €6.5m run during this period.
In that context, the fact that 43pc of the League of Ireland's €19m revenue came from UEFA channels - a figure in excess of €8m - can be attributed largely to the exploits of Dundalk and Cork in Europe.
In all, 32pc of revenue came from commercial and sponsorship opportunities, with 21pc taken from gate receipts and 4pc from other sources. Just 1pc of revenue comes from transfer proceeds and the absence of a TV deal is another factor that sets the League of Ireland apart from the high-earning leagues.
2016 was a bit of a unique year though wasn't it?
Of course it ways and the quoted article makes that point.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
If the overall figure for all league clubs was 21% than obviously the percentage that gates contributed to Dundalk's revenue in 2016 would be substantially lower - while we don't know the actual figure it is fair to say that it is minuscule in the context of the 6.5m Euro prize money.Quote:
Their latest figures touch on the 2016 financial year, a slightly unique one in the local context with Dundalk pocketing the bulk of their European rewards from their extraordinary €6.5m run during this period.
Dundalk's gates are healthy, but even a 25% increase pales into insignificance compared with the riches available for European progress.
On-field success and the prospects of European progress are far bigger factors for an investor getting a return than, for example, an extra 100,000 or so people in a catchment area
Right but its pointless looking at 2016 and saying gates aren't important. 2016 was a one off and is unlikely to happen again anytime soon without major investment.
I didn't say gates aren't importantQuote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
Isn't that exactly what this thread is about?Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
A potential of a takeover at Dundalk and possible major investment from Peak6.
The point is simple - while gate income is important, it is a relatively smaller revenue element than the prize money that is accessible via european qualification and minuscule compared to the rewards of repeating the 2016 group stages qualification
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Originally Posted by Ezeikial
Yeah, you did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
If you are saying that Peak6 are going to bank on European revenue to make a profit on Dundalk then I would have concerns, and those concerns can be summed up as follows:
Ollie Byrne, Arkaga, Platinum One.
I've been pretty consistent on this topic. I suspect that this goes one of two ways. Either its a complete success and Peak6 lead Dundalk into a new and prosperous era, in which I suspect Cork City and Shamrock Rovers ride the coat tails to profit and European success but other clubs struggle to keep up, or it goes tits up pretty quickly in a similar fashion to Arkaga. I hope Dundalk fans are preparing for the worst.
Are you being deliberately obtuse?Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
Even if you misunderstood my earlier point on gates and catchment population, go back and read my last post which should clarify any confusion you might have