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Well, it's official. The SFAI site has been updated and the Cork teams all lost 3-0 with the comment w/d. Congratulations! You showed us all that you don't take crap from anyone.
I'm looking forward to our last 32 match this weekend(weather allowing). These games can bring so much excitement, especially for the players. They have been looking forward to it for months and the day is nearly there. Hopefully the sun will come out and play this weekend as well.
And congratulations to you too on condoning the FAI/SFAI/DDSL actions. What's to say it can't happen again next year. It's sad that the Fai did so much to condone rule breaking and not look for what's right. All of the other leagues have let the Cork clubs down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rory
I can't see how you can say the other leagues let Cork down. Most clubs decided to stay in the competition for the sake of their own players. Some teams were at the last 32 stage for the first time in their history, how could they turn around and then say sorry lads we're not playing any more.
The SFAI, FAI and DDSL let EVERYBODY down not just Cork.
I admire Cork's brave stance but ultimately it's been at a huge cost to their players and all the DDSL would have done if all the leagues pulled out would be carry on without everyone else -which is basically what they would prefer anyway.
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Originally Posted by Ballymoreman
Assumed the response to my last comment would be to let the kids play.
It's okay for kids to play in a competition where there is no rules or worse, where rules don’t matter.
All competitions must abide by rules.
That's a petty and childish response. Rory has been articulate and measured in his comments and certainly has not condoned the FAI/SFAI/DDSL roles in this fiasco. But then you knew that already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cici900
Nothing. There is no guarantee against this sort of fudging and manipulation because of the lack of integrity of the FAI and DDSL (and SFAI to a lessor extent). Withdrawing in protest - while admirable and noble - gives no guarantee either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cici900
Sad, pathetic and very disturbing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cici900
Delaney understands politics but not integrity
Clubs continuing in the competition is doing the right thing for their own kids. It is not an endorsement of the behaviour of others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cici900
Principles are easy to espouse, without considering who pays the price for a withdrawal - the kids who have worked hard to get this far.
I agree about him not condoning the FAI/SFAI/DDSL carry on but that last post was very much incendiary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
There will be no winners here, those that remain play in a worthless competition but I guess Rory's point is at least they are playing.
Those that have pulled out don't play at all.
Kids don't always know wrong from right and it's up to the adults involved to teach them this.
I believe this will be a good lesson for the Cork kids about honesty and integrity (or the lack there of)
It's pretty much a done deal now and its all been said and done by the looks of it but the fact that the DDSL are allowed drive a Coach and Four through the rule book right under the nose of "The Blazers" sets kids football back to the dark ages.
Very hard to call on the Cork clubs action in pulling the teams the way it's turning out (competition going on with just them left out) but with a bit of unity the DDSL might have been forced to pull out as they'd have been the only teams left in it.
You have to make a stand at some point. All the other leagues have done is show that they are willing to roll over. That kind of appeasement may not work out too well. If it happens again next year, what then? Will spines suddenly appear, or will it be the same meekness?
I think that in the majority of cases the individual leagues had to ultimately let the clubs decide for themselves. If all other leagues had pulled out the DDSL would have carried on without them as they had an FAI mandate in their pocket to do so. The DDSL/FAI have shown they care nothing whatsoever about teams / leagues or kids outside of their own.
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Originally Posted by the 12 th man
No it isn't.
Far from it
No CEO of any organisation would get away with the arbitrary dumping of that body's rule book.
This one certainly won't.
No - the congratulations are due to yourselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rory
You are now in contention to win a completely devalued national title.
You should give a little bit of consideration to the wider issues here rather than sneering at the people who actually took a stand.
I think his sarcasm or "sneer" was directed at the SFAI rather then the clubs who pulled out in protest. I assume from your comment that you interpreted it differently.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimhacker
Somehow I dont think this is the end of this. Its disgraceful that it has come to this and the kids are the ones suffering but I would agree that the clubs who have withdrawn are correct in their actions. I wonder if the DDSL hadnt agreed to give the FAI €500k what would the FAI's line be. Certainly couldnt imagine them breaking their own rules.
It certainly seems that a €500k deposit buys a lot of wriggle room on the rules alright. Very sad to see all the 3-0 / wd ties on the SFAI website. At the end of the day if the SFAI had the balls to stand up then Cork / Ballinasloe wouldnt have had to make their sacrifice. I'd like to think it can still be challenged but so far it's carry on regardless.
I personally think cork should boycott next year and maybe try to start a munster cup and leave them have their so called "national" cup
When there is something wrong ("wrong" is an understatement in this case) it is nearly always better to try to change from within, rather then split and splinter as a first optionQuote:
Originally Posted by fifa
There is a very strong case for all leagues to boycott the competition as it currently stands if the required changes cannot be achieved - but a boycott by a small number of clubs is unlikely to have much influence.
What a sad, sad situation to see the SFAI National Cups proceeding. The rapidity at which the 3-0 scorelines against Cork clubs (with the "w/d") has been reported on the SFAI website is astonishing!!! Many of the teams so defeated didn't even have opposition to "defeat" them - the apparent wrong being doubled - the opposition in question hadn't even finished their last 32 qualification process.
I wouldn't feel that this is all over yet - the wrong and hurt involved here is too deep.
What options have clubs to lodge objections
club A objects to opposition Club B on the grounds of seeded qualification route in one one region to sfai. It's an sfai rule not have seeded draw therefore sfai have to rule in favour of club A. Club B then appeals to FAI and FAI have no option but reverse the sfai decision based on their intervention with the sfai competition. Now where does Club A appeal the FAI decision to?
It's a Cup for kids. It does not matter what you or me think about the value of the cup. I just enjoy the football. The team/players that will play in it or even win it would not get any less enjoyment out of it because there was seeding (cheating) done at the DDSL pre-32 draw or the fact that most Cork teams did not participate.Quote:
You are now in contention to win a completely devalued national title.
I did give it a lot of consideration and in my opinion pulling out is the wrong way to go about this as I have explained in previous posts. The "sneer" was out of pure disappointment for the Cork kids that now have to suffer because of "adults" being unable/unwilling to settle an argument between themselves. And I mean adults from the FAI, SFAI and the Cork teams.Quote:
You should give a little bit of consideration to the wider issues here rather than sneering at the people who actually took a stand.
Hopefully this is all over and all rules will be applied and abide by next season. Personally I think this will be the case as no-one wants a mess like this again.Quote:
I wouldn't feel that this is all over yet - the wrong and hurt involved here is too deep.
Adults from DDSL?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rory
Surely, they are not above inclusion in the above suggestion.....