Totally agree except I'd modify this. If we come a cropper I think it'll be cause of tactics and/or player motivation, because with our current batch we should still have enough to beat Slovakia and take something from Moscow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingdom
According to RTÉ, McCarthy is still on stand-by for a senior call-up in case of injury ruling a member of the senior team out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Murfinator
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...315361252.html
Suggestions that a player has requested to pull out due to "personal reasons". What betting the player in question is one of this quartet (probably Walters), resurfacing everything mentioned in this thread.
If the player in question happens to not be Irish born, have a history of low committal and in light of what Ian Harte has been saying its going to produce a very negative backlash from the media which we don't need ahead of the Euros.
Emmet Malone is merely speculating and may well have misinterpreted Trap's words as Trap's quote doesn't actually refer to anyone having a problem due to personal reasons. According to KK77 in the Euro squad thread, it's Keith Fahey who won't be able to make it, but due to injury rather than personal reasons.
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Originally Posted by Murfinator
Can't for a second believe there would be any sort of a negative backlash. If a player comes out and says, for personal reasons they are not available for (what would be for many of our players) the highlight of their careers, then that, I assume, would be accepted by the media.
I know I will be wrong, but I would hope no journalist would stoop so low as to accuse a player of not wanting to play when said player must have serious issues in not wanting to travel.
Unless a player comes out and says "Nah, I just don't want to go" then I will not say an unkind word, only wish him all the best and hope to see him again.
I may have taken your post up wrong, and if I have I apologize in advance but to me it seems like your looking to create something out of nothing. If that is the case then it is a real shame.
You posted in the Stephen Ireland forum the following regarding personal problems- In addition to the miscarriage if people knew his father and the kind of upbringing he had I think they'd be more understanding as to the kind of insecure individual he's become. It's not appropriate to go into more detail on that on a web forum but it's worth understanding that his childhood and upbringing has affected his rationality as an adult. People assume many things about him based on his eccentricity and inconsistent remarks, most of them wide of the mark.
To then put "personal problems" in quotation marks like it is an excuse when speculating that it could be one if these four players is ridiculous considering you can have no possible idea of what the player in question could be going through.
Again, if you weren't implying that then I again offer my apologies, but that's the way it read to me.
I heard Stephen Ireland's third granny died.
Malone's speculation has a hint of Niall Quinn's Testimonial v2 about it, but it's too early to start accusing players of lack of commitment. It might be personal reasons (or might not) and those personal reasons could be anything.
I doubt Magicman is alone in detecting a note of mischievous intent in Murfinator's post. We all suspect that Malone knows something he can't say just yet (good - The Irish Times has done enough damage to our tournament aspirations in the past) but for now we'll have to sit and wait.
We could do w/o this but if someone has genuine personal reasons for pulling out, well you have to accept that.
For all we know, it could be something tragic, like a serious family/spouse illness. Lets wait and see.
who is McCarthey?
Let's wait and see.
Probably just guesswork and **** stirring by Malone. If it is a personal reason then it must be serious for a player to want to miss out on the Euro's. I hope they leave it well alone until the Trap/FAI confirms the squad.
On the squad discussion thread I posted a quote from Delaney saying he is aware of an issue but that it's too early to talk about it. Malone isn't in the business of silly gossip mongering. "Personal issues" could mean anything at all but I have to admit to being intrigued, and at least slightly apprehensive.
I wonder is it McCarthy. He would have been p+ssed off that Green came on instead of him and is 4th (possibly 5th) in line in the pecking order in midfield. He has pulled out of squads before and has had problems with Trap. But if the toothpaste man is being called in the odds are it is a winger.
I wouldn't have thought McCarthy was an "established" member of the squad and he's no certainty to make the final cut anyway, negating any need for Trap to make an issue out of any potential non-inclusion. What problems has he had with Trap, by the way?
How many times can "personal reasons" be accepted from the same player before you start to raise an eyebrow at it. In their very short career the likes of Walters, Best, McCarthy, Wilson etc have had several dubious withdrawals either from minor injuries they've recovered from 3 days later or the dreaded "personal reasons".
If it was one of these players (and I have absolutely no idea whether it is or not) you'd have to wonder if they're regretting their decision to declare for us with so many international incidents that never affect their club career. It is difficult to know what Trap English means as an "established player", it could be just about anyone although I'll assume it isn't Best, Wilson or anyone else outside the squad. He's named McCarthy as a 50/50 before so out of the likely players he was planning to bring it leaves Walters as the top suspect.
You can pretty much narrow down the list by looking through interviews at guys expressing their excitement ahead of the tournament. Duff/Hunt/McGeady/Keane/Cox/Long/Doyle are all accounted for. If it were injury with Fahey he'd say injury, its a very easy explanation. It may be something genuine and nothing to do with the players I've mentioned, merely saying if it is yet another occurrence from a usual suspect questions will be asked.
Yeah, they should lie about their grannies dying instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Murfinator
If it were one of those murfinator, why would he care about not just saying it straight out and saying its an established player, he seems to have glanced over it as something that the player is still deciding and he understands the players personal reasons. I'm not so sure he would give the same level of respect to some of the other members you speak of.
Some fine stirring there murfinator.
Malone is an honourable fella. If he rubbishes something I'd be inclined to take his word. If he talks something up, then there is something in it.
Also, the issue is directly related to Die Hard's inclusion in the squad so that rules out the majority of the players who are going to be in or around the squad.
I'd go so far as to say that it has to be one of Duff, McGeady, Hunt, Fahey or Coleman.
I reckon I'll be able to either rule in/out one of them this evening.
For personal reasons doesn't either have to mean illness or imminent death to one's kin. It could be a player needing an operation on a long-standing injury and the club putting pressure on the player to have the op over going to the Euro's - particularily if it's a player that could command a fee. That would rule out Duffer, but probably would rule in Fahey, Hunt and Coleman, as all three have carried niggly injuries recently.
Probably not many, but it does depend on who the player is and what the personal reasons are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Murfinator
You're merely stating the bleedin' obvious in other words.Quote:
Originally Posted by Murfinator
That's how I'm reading it too. Who knows? Some seem to be chomping at the bit for a scandal to be breaking or for a UK born player to show a lack of commitment (plausible) whereas it could be something more deserving of some understanding (also plausible).Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea