Booing the NI Anthem

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

It may be a little 'silly', but given what that tune means, you need to have a little perspective of history.
And its symbolism in an Irish context!

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Seriously AB - that's actually your answer to everything.

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

Bar a few paranoid R*ngers fans, if it had been Scotland v. 'Ingerland' for instance, the 'booing' would have been somewhat more substantial.

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Whataboutery. I dealt with that above, but you'd probably already launched into your condescending snooze-fest of vague politicisms...

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

And guessing your average Derry City fan would be none too keen on hearing it, or do they play it before every home game??
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Nah they only have it on when DCFC play NI or Ingerland - which happens once every so never...

For the record should NI or Ingerland ever rock up to the Brandy for a match and the crowd booed the anthem, I'd be embarrassed too. But the comparison between a club, where no anthems are played and there is an entirely different community of supporters, and a national side is so astoundingly irrelevant I have no idea why you would bring it up except to WUM. Poorly.

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

Ultimately, it's irrelevant to all but diehard unionists on this island....

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And the dunderheads who booed it the other day you're so keen on defending, no?

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Originally Posted by AlaskaFox

On the flag issue.

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See here for further details: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot.ie_flag_dispute

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Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton

Seriously AB - that's actually your answer to everything.

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Hardly. But then it's not irrelevant. Maybe ask a few locals in Doire. They'll tell you it plays no part in local culture.
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Whataboutery. I dealt with that above, but you'd probably already launched into your condescending snooze-fest of vague politicisms...

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In which you seem to equally indulge, with some rather pompous missives....
And if anyone's condescending here, it isn't me.

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But the comparison between a club, where no anthems are played and there is an entirely different community of supporters, and a national side is so astoundingly irrelevant I have no idea why you would bring it up except to WUM. Poorly.

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Actually it does, but then DC would have to reach a major European final, in which I wish them well.
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And I'd defend anyone's right to boo the British national anthem. Especially if they've suffered at the hands of that regime.

Should add also, that a minority of decent Ingerland fans have admitted to me taking strategic comfort breaks to avoid their own dirge.
(Especially as they had their own 'add-on's' and reckon it was mainly sung to rile the opposition as they were collectively so unpopular.)

Wouldn't know how their majority felt, but they much preferred 'Jerusalem', which given the 'subject', is a vast improvement.

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

Ive never seen foot.ie so divided.

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There's nothing like the north to stir the passions. ;)

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I don't like the booing of anthems, we come across as neandarthal apes like those we came across in some of those other countries we have gone to out east.

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I can't make a connection with the reference. Like who exactly? :confused:

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Sometimes booing is just seen as intimidation but where we have a shared contrived history with the north it is certainly a lot more than this.

I see that we are all very much divided on this and it saddens me.

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It's just a petty argument within one thread over a bit of inconsequential and fairly standard booing that would in no way warrant any sense of public outrage. The shared, contrived history of which you speak means that it would have been an inevitable expectation really rather than something that just popped up out of the blue as some sort of inexplicable anomaly over which we should all be suddenly shocked and abhorred. Also, it's clearly been much more audible in the past. No-one's clawing at throats or anything. Even some of the reports of the booing seem a bit over-the-top. Some proportionality needed.

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

Hardly. But then it's not irrelevant. Maybe ask a few locals in Doire. They'll tell you it plays no part in local culture.
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In which you seem to equally indulge, with some rather pompous missives....
And if anyone's condescending here, it isn't me.


Actually it does, but then DC would have to reach a major European final, in which I wish them well.
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And I'd defend anyone's right to boo the British national anthem. Especially if they've suffered at the hands of that regime.

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I find it funny that the UK City of Culture would claim that the UK national anthem plays no part in local culture.

Irony at its very best.

Except I was talking about something different, so that's a complete red herring there.
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Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton

For the record should NI or Ingerland ever rock up to the Brandy for a match and the crowd booed the anthem, I'd be embarrassed too.

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Northern Ireland have played underage Internationals at the Brandywell in recent times SvD.

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

Well its an us against the world attitude, in all small(possibly minded) communities who feel repressed or unjustified its a common mentality. Makes them feel stronger, a more togetherness.

I met this rabbi on the plane from boston to houston recently who had studied different "interest groups" told me something about these guys who preach the end of the world, like the mayan theory and that guy recently in the states, that the more evidence you put forward to them, the stronger their actual belief becomes and the more close knit the community becomes....

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I'm feeling sorry for that Rabbi

Shessh, from a few yobs booing GSTQ in an almost empty stadium in a quiet suburb of Dublin to a Jewish rabbi talking in an airplane about the end of the world - all in the space of a few posts. Only on foot.ie :)

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

Northern Ireland have played underage Internationals at the Brandywell in recent times SvD.

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I'm aware of that NB (though I don't think there's be one in some time?). Either way Derry City wouldn't have been involved in the game in any way except through dint of it playing in their rented home ground (though I'm not saying Derry fans or general public wern't happy to have them there, quite the opposite) so don't think it's relevant to the discussion. Certainly not in the way AB is suggesting.

Also I'm not entirely sure whether anthems are played at that level, or were at these games? Genuinely don't know, though don't think it matters either way.

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

Hardly. But then it's not irrelevant. Maybe ask a few locals in Doire. They'll tell you it plays no part in local culture.

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Maybe I should ask some of the locals from Derry's sizeable Unionist community? Or does their opinion not count? Not that you really want me to since you're clearly only interested in offering a one-note defence of some half-hearted pointless boos.

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

In which you seem to equally indulge, with some rather pompous missives....
And if anyone's condescending here, it isn't me.

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:confused:

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

you need to have a little perspective of history

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

And guessing your average Derry City fan would be none too keen on hearing it, or do they play it before every home game??

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

Hardly. But then it's not irrelevant. Maybe ask a few locals in Doire. They'll tell you it plays no part in local culture.

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Hmmm, not condescending? Not sure if serious. For someone keen on history, you've a poor memory of things you've written in the last day...

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

Actually it does, but then DC would have to reach a major European final, in which I wish them well.

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'Actually it does' what? The above sentence makes little sense linked to what you quoted. It does relevant? I don't know what you mean. Though I share your enthusiasm for DCFC Champions League winners 2034.

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

And I'd defend anyone's right to boo the British national anthem. Especially if they've suffered at the hands of that regime.

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Finally something on point. I hope the 60 odd twenty something Dubs and assorted others who booed certainly felt satisfied after their jeer. Take that evil empire!! Oppress us no longer!!

Beyond more pompous claptrap including quotes irrelevant to the 'points' you are making, the above makes no sense!

;)

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

Beyond more pompous claptrap including quotes irrelevant to the 'points' you are making, the above makes no sense!

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Boooooooooo. :bulgy:

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

And I'd defend anyone's right to boo the British national anthem.

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Do you equally defend "anyone's right" to boo Amhrán na bhFiann?

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Originally Posted by dantheman

No place for it, the Orange Order flag, Union Jack, RIR flag, or Celtic tops (or any other non-Irish club tops) at the match.

Don't have an issue with other tops (even Linfield)

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People can wear what they bloody want. Can I wear my FDNY green t-shirt, does that meet your protocol? Or a GAA top? I suppose that's banned? Imagine some from the GAA said soccer tops weren't welcome at a GAA game, they would be called bigots!

They would be bigots. Just like the football authorities if they tried to enforce a no GAA rule

Individuals can think however they like, and people who were Celtic jerseys and/or GAA tops to Oreland games deserve scorn

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Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani

People can wear what they bloody want. Can I wear my FDNY green t-shirt, does that meet your protocol? Or a GAA top? I suppose that's banned? Imagine some from the GAA said soccer tops weren't welcome at a GAA game, they would be called bigots!

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I'd rather you wore a green t-shirt than a Celtic top. I'm not up-in-arms about it, and people can wear what they like though others can equally get stuck up about it. If you're wearing a football top at a match, wear the right one. If you're not, wear the colours. I'd only make an exception for LOI tops but we need all the promotion we can get!

The problem with Celtic tops and Ireland is it's quite a common sight at games, more so than other national sides/clubs I'd reckon.

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Originally Posted by Dodge

They would be bigots. Just like the football authorities if they tried to enforce a no GAA rule

Individuals can think however they like, and people who were Celtic jerseys and/or GAA tops to Oreland games deserve scorn

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Each to their own, but that rule is been gone now for four decades, but live in 1971 if you want. The truth is if someone on a GAA forum said you shouldn't be allowed wear a soccer jersey at a GAA game you would be coming out with GAA bigot crap.

The elitism on here on what people should and shouldn't wear to a poxsy football match is astounding. Celtic wear green and white tops. Celtic is a club with Irish roots. Some of their fans may wear these green and white tops to Ireland games. Boo fecking hoo you elitist whingers!

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Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton

I'd rather you wore a green t-shirt than a Celtic top. I'm not up-in-arms about it, and people can wear what they like though others can equally get stuck up about it. If you're wearing a football top at a match, wear the right one. If you're not, wear the colours. I'd only make an exception for LOI tops but we need all the promotion we can get!

The problem with Celtic tops and Ireland is it's quite a common sight at games, more so than other national sides/clubs I'd reckon.

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Nah, why wear a St Pats top - it's red. Of course it's common, look at the history of Celtic and the colour of top they wear! It's obvious. You get a lot of Ireland tops at Celtic games and people and clued up enough to know why and don't complain about it one small bit. It's sheer ignorance the silly objections to Celtic tops. You would swear it was Hitler FC the way some narrow-minded bigots on here go on like.

No foreign tops at our games, blah, blah! The same people who tell others to get into the 21st century. They should try it themselves.