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Stu, I heard from someone close to the shams board that MO'N told Turner at the time "I want to sign you but you have to get out of that contract". Mentioned it here at the time, and have never heard it disputed (appreciate that shams are the only ones have "sources" :)).Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Would be surprised if many contracts in LOI are 100% watertight, but dont think that clubs trying to disrupt them (if that is what happened) is of any benifit to the League.
And if that exchange happened after Turner went to Rovers and said "Here, Sligo are reneging on my deal - any chance what you offered me is still on the table?", then I don't see any problems with that.
Again, I'm not saying Rovers are squeaky clean here, but I think your posts would be taken a lot more seriously if you considered all the factors rather than just say "Rovers bad!"
http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...n-2281735.htmlQuote:
Dundalk furious at Rovers' swoop for 'retired' Fenn
By Daniel McDonnell
Tuesday August 03 2010
DUNDALK are fuming at the news that Shamrock Rovers are in advanced discussions with Neale Fenn, a few days after the veteran striker had his contract with the Louth club terminated on the basis that he was retiring from the game.
The Hoops were one of a number of clubs who contacted the 33-year-old when his parting of ways with the Oriel Park outfit was announced and they are hoping to agree personal terms by the weekend.
Dundalk agreed to part company with Fenn (left) by mutual consent after manager Ian Foster heard the striker's personal reasons for bringing his career to a close.
Foster refused to comment on the situation yesterday and it's understood that the Lilywhites hierarchy are waiting for official confirmation before commenting officially on the matter.
It's clear, however, that they would not have let the player go if they had any inkling that he might make a comeback in different colours. Rovers are entitled to sign Fenn, who was present at the first leg of their Europa League meeting with Juventus last Thursday, as he is a free agent. Any professional who is out of work before July 31 can sign for any club before the end of this month.
Fenn, who has been playing professionally in this country for the last seven years, will be able to collect a lump sum -- a portion of the tax he paid during that time -- when he officially confirms that his playing days are over. It now appears that payment will be delayed until after the end of this campaign.
- Daniel McDonnell
Irish Independent
Nice to see Fenn on the day of his retirement celebrating it at Tallaght Stadium of all places! :pirate:
yes and who was he celebrating it with " the one and only Stephen Mc Guinness "
This was planned and Dundalk did make a huge mistake but in fairness they didnt expect Fenn to pull off a stunt like that, they took him at face value. He a made a mockery of players contracts but Mc Guinness wont care . Fenn can F**k off and crawl back under the rock he came out off but let me tell you O neill would be better keeping him out of Oriel the next time the two sides meet as Dundalk fans are furious and who can blame them.
On the same money?Quote:
Originally Posted by total hoofball
Still naive to cancel it until Dundalk saw who he wanted to play with - there was no need to release his registration at that point. Of course, it also really could be as simple as him not realising that he couldn't get his tax back straight away.Quote:
Originally Posted by total hoofball
Dundalk acted in good faith after listening to his sob story. He knew exactly what he was at. If he was innocent wouldnt he be making a statement regarding this to clear his supossedly good name. He has once again given LOI football a bad name and I also think that Rovers should of been more professional in their handling of this.
and yours might be taken more seriously if they consisted of anything but made up excuses for shams ("Shams good" ?????)Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
So its another full-time player at the 'part-time' club then.
In fairness Stu, a suggestion by Rovers that Fenn ask Dundalk to release his registration so that he could play 'a little bit of football' for nobody specific (but let Dundalk assume that, given his comments about 'not being able for it anymore', this would be LSL or the like) is hardly Machiavellian stuff is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Pesonally, I doubt this is the case, but it's not really so crazy as to be impossible. The fact that this all happened just before the July 31st deadline. after which would have made it impossible to do so, does make it slightly suspicious to my mind.
However, I still think it more likely that he simply intended to retire, and then info regarding his tax and an offer from Rovers made his change his mind.
Statement expected later.
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Lads Fenn asked the club to cancle his reg as he wanted to continue playing junior football........DFC board are in no way to blame for the "deleted" lying to them. Statement from the board will be on DFC.com later
Explain where Rovers broke either contract? Explain what contract Fenn had when Rovers signed him...or Turner's contract. Explain what Rovers fans should be questioning..Quote:
Originally Posted by marinobohs
Or Rowe...Quote:
Originally Posted by marinobohs
I've already said that I'm not saying Rovers are squeaky clean in all this. It looks to me like Fenn knew what he was doing, Dundalk were fools and Rovers at best capitalised, and maybe were involved. But others are saying Rovers must be to blame here because they got Turner to renege on his contract with Sligo, when it was clearly found that Sligo had reneged on Turner. There's people blaming the FAI and Rovers without any real rational thought processes (which, in fairness, at least you've undergone), and it just sounds like vacuous knee-jerking "Blame the FAI!" or "Rovers are nasty; I told you so before when the manager wouldn't shake hands!" from too many posters.
Ah yes, the fabulous Rowe era at Dalymount ! we talk of little else. can only hope Fenn wins as much at SDCC ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by dfx-
My point was that you (Stu) seemed to be asking how Rovers could play a part in Dundalk releasing his registration as if it was impossible that they could ever influence it, whereas I think it's not a particularly far-fetched scenario, although i still think other scenarios are more likely.
I may have misinterpreted your posts though.
So nothing but maybes then, mb. Well maybe we'll question it. If there was any reason to be suspicious.
Who said anything about him having to join Bohs...Quote:
Originally Posted by marinobohs
Take the rought wioth the smooth fellah, you've got tons of good, positive posts about the European run, tallaght etc etc so don't try and claim the majority here are anti Rovers...Quote:
Originally Posted by GGAJD
Lack of definite proof (or indeed any) never stoped shams making wild allegations now did it ? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by dfx-
Think you may find the player signing for the club (shams in this case) is central to the discussion
The "I just want to play LSL" was an angle I hadn't properly considered alright, but my main point was that people were jumping to the conclusions they wanted to jump to without really thinking things through properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
And naturally you obviously believed all accusations like you may do now, yes?Quote:
Originally Posted by marinobohs
Central to the maybes and fanciful thinking or as you like to call it 'discussion' is whether they encouraged Fenn to leave. Maybe that's why Bohs fans are up in arms about it..maybe they know how devious a behaviour it is..
It's easy to jump to conclusions here. However, if Fenn ddid intend to retire and then changed his mind after Rovers made him an offer he could not refuse, then who is to argue with that? I mean, if it can be shown that Rovers were tapping him up before he retired and it was all some plan, then they should be punished. However, I doubt that was the case. They could have just signed him a few months ago if that was the case.