St Pats in player betting allegations

If a €20 bet is all that's there, then this is a storm in a teacup.

The club should throw the book at the individual player, on principle, but please end the hysteria (front page in both Indo and Times sports supplements today) as far as the implications for the league are concerned, unless and until more evidence of a serious problem can be shown.

If this is all that is involved then that Quinn chap should go and have a long cold shower for himself!

He was mutering on the LW programme the other night about the stories being unsubstantiated - if that's the case why publish them?

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Originally Posted by Macy

But he wasn't playing or in the match day squad, so what influence over the result could he have had? Talk of life bans is nonsense.

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I never said he had influence over the result. Its obvious he didn't but I just can't understand the mind set of someone who would want to bet against the team they play for. Just doesn't make sense to me.

Out of interest, are players allowed to back themselves to score or their team to win? I'd assume they are?

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Originally Posted by sligored

i would stay under the radar by placing small bets in a number of bookies instead of 1 large bet.

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One large bet? It was 20euro, that's feck all in bookies terms. If he wanted to back the other team he should have got someone else(non Pat's) to put it on for him.

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Originally Posted by sligoman

Out of interest, are players allowed to back themselves to score or their team to win?

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The rule doesn't differentiate between betting for or agianst your team

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Originally Posted by L37Ultra

I never said he had influence over the result. Its obvious he didn't but I just can't understand the mind set of someone who would want to bet against the team they play for. Just doesn't make sense to me.

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To a lot of players it's just a job, they don't particularly like football, outside of being good at it, and don't have any sentiment towards their employer. Just like most of the rest of us don't feel any great sentiment towards our employers, they just see good odds down the bookies and think "I can make a few quid here".

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Originally Posted by passinginterest

To a lot of players it's just a job, they don't particularly like football, outside of being good at it, and don't have any sentiment towards their employer. Just like most of the rest of us don't feel any great sentiment towards our employers, they just see good odds down the bookies and think "I can make a few quid here".

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Exactly - I'd have no problem betting against my employer if the opportunity arose.

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Originally Posted by passinginterest

To a lot of players it's just a job, they don't particularly like football, outside of being good at it, and don't have any sentiment towards their employer. Just like most of the rest of us don't feel any great sentiment towards our employers, they just see good odds down the bookies and think "I can make a few quid here".

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I suppose. Just me being innocent thinking football was different. :D

Sad though the coverage this gets in the national papers and if it was a normal week there would have been barely anything about the actually matches themselves.

Oh Lord, I'm going to sound like my mother when I say this but . . . just because it goes on a lot doesn't make it acceptable.
I agree there has been a degree of hysteria, but at the same time, he broke sporting ethics by betting against his own team and deserves to be made an example of

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Originally Posted by WoodquayBoy

I agree there has been a degree of hysteria... deserves to be made an example of

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Way to stop the hysteria there.

:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by passinginterest

To a lot of players it's just a job, they don't particularly like football, outside of being good at it, and don't have any sentiment towards their employer. Just like most of the rest of us don't feel any great sentiment towards our employers, they just see good odds down the bookies and think "I can make a few quid here".

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Originally Posted by Macy

Exactly - I'd have no problem betting against my employer if the opportunity arose.

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Thats why a conviction for insider trading carries a significant jail sentence.

Fantastic argument.

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Originally Posted by Sam_Heggy

Who made the bets that cost the bookies €60k?

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Thought that was on the Monaghan-Longford game?

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Originally Posted by L37Ultra

Thought that was on the Monaghan-Longford game?

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Yeah just remembered so now deleted.

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Originally Posted by sligoman

Out of interest, are players allowed to back themselves to score or their team to win? I'd assume they are?

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Wimbledon players got done for it about ten years ago. They appealed I think; can't remember how it ended up in the end, but they were in trouble over it initially anyway.

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Thats why a conviction for insider trading carries a significant jail sentence.

Fantastic argument.

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That's why it wasn't an argument on my behalf, just a statement of why players would do it and feel no remorse.

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Originally Posted by passinginterest

That's why it wasn't an argument on my behalf, just a statement of why players would do it and feel no remorse.

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Yes, agree that thats what the players view would be. Thats basically what Dempsey said in his statement. He didn't think it was wrong.

Which is the most troubling part of all of this IMO.

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Thats why a conviction for insider trading carries a significant jail sentence.

Fantastic argument.

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Having a bet is the same as insider trading? And even then, insider trading is based on what outsiders wouldn't know - everyone (except the bookies apparently) knew that Pats had nothing to play for because they'd hit poor form, and were up against teams fighting for their survival.

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Way to stop the hysteria there.

:rolleyes:

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Bit of selective quoting to make a point there Dodge, I said
'I agree there has been a degree of hysteria, but at the same time, he broke sporting ethics by betting against his own team and deserves to be made an example of'
Emmet Malone has a piece on it in today's Irish Times, and his last line is quite apt:
'No one at St Patrick's, who trake on Derry City at Richmond Park tonight, is likely to take quite so lightly the fact thgat Dempsey - one of the club's better paid players - was sitting in the stand watching a league game which he might have been hoping his team would lose'
You tell me how you or any other Pats fan find this acceptable?

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Originally Posted by WoodquayBoy

You tell me how you or any other Pats fan find this acceptable?

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I'd never speak for other pats fans but I don't care that Dempsey made a bet of €20. I've made bets against Pats, and no one wants them to win more than me. If Pats win, I'm delighted. If they lose, I've money to console me. For the amount of money Dempsey is on, and the amount he bet, the outcome of the bet made absolutely no difference to him.

Gamblers make bets based on value. if they think a team is overpriced, they'l bet on it. The outcome doesn't really matter as they think that if they back enough overpriced teams, they'll eventually win.

I don't care if you can't understand this. I'm sick to my back teeth of fecking dramaqueens

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Originally Posted by Dodge

I don't care if you can't understand this. I'm sick to my back teeth of fecking dramaqueens

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I understand it, I just don't accept it.
I'm sick to every one of my teeth with people being labelled dramaqueens' when they think a certain course of action is appropriate for a breach of rules, so we'll just ignore each other on this now