LoI in Europe 2024

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Originally Posted by D24Saint

Guiding your club to their most successful period in their history clearly gets you great respect in Dundalk.

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That was 6 years ago, time has moved on, of course he was superb at DFC and great memories. This was just poor form by Pats and Kenny to go looking again and asking for a u-turn on Fri am. As KB said if a decision was made weeks ago, we could have moved on. The statement by DFC is also interesting, the amount of logistics that have to be cancelled now and re-booked, and with 46 hours notice.

The FAI point blanky refused to move Dundalk v Rovers in 2020 which was on a Sunday, 3 or 4 days before a EL play off, so what has changed now?

Its not as if Pats would have played a single player that would have started in Turkey, so what was the challenge taking a one hour trip up the m1, fly out Monday.

The whole situation was very poorly managed, yet I harbour no grudges on the game next week for Pats, its a great opportunity for them, I don't think they'll do it, odds will stacked firmly against them, but they still have a chance.

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Originally Posted by oriel

That was 6 years ago, time has moved on, of course he was superb at DFC and great memories. This was just poor form by Pats and Kenny to go looking again and asking for a u-turn on Fri am. As KB said if a decision was made weeks ago, we could have moved on.

The FAI point blanky refused to move Dundalk v Rovers in 2020 which was on a Sunday, 3 or 4 days before a EL play off, so what has changed now?

Its not as if Pats would have played a single player that would have started in Turkey, so what was the challenge taking a one hour trip up the m1, fly out Monday.

The whole situation was very poorly managed.

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Put the violin down. It’s simple really, as stated in the FAI’s statement it’s because pats are playing 3 games in 6 (5 and a half really) days. Dundalk in 2020 was 3 games in 7 days, just like when Pats played Sabah x2 and Galway over 7 days and were not granted a postponement.

How can you say it’s poor form by Pats and simultaneously say that the FAI turned Dundalk down, does that not mean it was poor form by Dundalk then? Every club in the league would do the same in this circumstance and every club should 100% do what’s right for them. I’ve no gripe with Dundalk being upset with the league here but blaming Pats for requesting the game to be postponed to suit themselves is an odd angle to take

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Originally Posted by placid casual

(2) It gives licence to any LOI team to get league/cup tie taking place between European legs postponed, particularly if the 2nd leg is geographically far from Ireland.

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Well, it should set talk of an agreement that if there are less than 7 days between two European games, there should be a postponement.
If there are 7 or more days between European games, domestic games must go ahead 3 days after the previous European game allowing 4 days before the next European game.

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Originally Posted by oriel

That was 6 years ago, time has moved on, of course he was superb at DFC and great memories. This was just poor form by Pats and Kenny to go looking again and asking for a u-turn on Fri am. As KB said if a decision was made weeks ago, we could have moved on.

The FAI point blanky refused to move Dundalk v Rovers in 2020 which was on a Sunday, 3 or 4 days before a EL play off, so what has changed now?

Its not as if Pats would have played a single player that would have started in Turkey, so what was the challenge taking a one hour trip up the m1, fly out Monday.

The whole situation was very poorly managed.

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I’d say a lot of Pats fans are in agreement that it was handled badly. The FAI should have made the call earlier. We are 90 mins away from group stage football so naturally we are going to pull out all the stops to get that match called off. To try and make us out to be the bad guys in this is wrong. It’s also disingenuous to claim we just had to pop up the M1 and then head to the airport. The training and prep for next Wednesday would have been effected our focus would have been elsewhere until we got to Istanbul rather than getting to opportunity to work on things here before we traveled.

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Originally Posted by 2 Year Contract

Put the violin down. It’s simple really, as stated in the FAI’s statement it’s because pats are playing 3 games in 6 (5 and a half really) days

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Dundalk had to play 10 games in 26 days in 2016.

Let's be honest there was negativity being highly publicised about the decision not to postpone and the FAI caved for PR reasons. Don't drink the FAI cool aid.

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Originally Posted by Louth4sam

Dundalk had to play 10 games in 26 days in 2016.

Let's be honest there was negativity being highly publicised about the decision not to postpone and the FAI caved for PR reasons. Don't drink the FAI cool aid.

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Fair play but that stat has got little relevance in this context. If Pats get to the groups there won’t be space to reschedule games and they too will play plenty of games in a short space of time, as will rovers.

As I said in my original post on all of this, postponing this game was the right thing to do all along. Leaving it this late is a big balls up by our incompetent footballing overlords

The decision was made earlier this week, that should have been the end of it, game going ahead on Sunday. Dundalk had made the necessary arrangements.

Based on last nights result, Kenny and Pats went crawling back to the FAI and begged for the game to be called off (aftet it was confirmed for Sunday) , the FAI caved in and made a u-turn on their previously agreed decision. The timeline will show this was communicated to Dundalk at 5pm this evening, 46 hours before the scheduled game was planned.

Dundalk are in a huge relegation battle, and now have no game for 21 days between 9th August away to Derry and 30th Aug at home to Shels and this call off could have huge implications. Per above from LFS, Dundalk had to get on with things in 2016 and little sympathy was given, still retained the league mind.

Those are the facts and it was very poor form by all involved and was handled extremely badly.

I heard Kelleher went to FAI HQ with a freshly baked cake and a promise to write a letter recommending that Mark Scanlon is the next Taoiseach in exchange for postponing the game.

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Originally Posted by legendz

Well, it should set talk of an agreement that if there are less than 7 days between two European games, there should be a postponement.
If there are 7 or more days between European games, domestic games must go ahead 3 days after the previous European game allowing 4 days before the next European game.

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Sensible suggestion.

To call it off this late is pathetic. Dundalk already started selling tickets, made arrangements for match day staff, even down to getting ballboys sorted. A waste of time for a lot of a volunteers, and sums up the reactionary way this league is run

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Originally Posted by oriel

Per above from LFS, Dundalk had to get on with things in 2016 and little sympathy was given, still retained the league mind.

Those are the facts and it was very poor form by all involved and was handled extremely badly.

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Again, that’s when they were in the groups, which is an entirely different conversation to the one we’re having. You’ll find that their league game in between the two BATE games as well as the league game between the two Legia games, were postponed in order to give Dundalk the best chance possible to qualify

Well that is a good point TYC, I take that and its fair re BATE / DFC already in group stages later point, but I think what's also not fair is why did the FAI take until just before 5pm tonight to postpone the game?

It will of course assist Pats in their preparation but its treatment / respect shown towards Dundalk is just disgraceful.

Dundalk should appeal the decision, then appeal the appeal as a moral obligation to highlight a FAIlure.... it is what it is and we have to make the bast of a sh1t show. Lots of time on the training ground working on defending set pieces and on attack set pieces. If there are injuries hopefully there will be a close to a full hand to pick from heading in to the last couple of months. Maybe we will be fresher for the run in rather than stale and needing games in legs. Seeking silver linings in what is a desperate need for 3 points and an increased opportunity to do so with a tired or roated St Pats team. I thought there needed to be agreement between 2 clubs to allow canceling a fixture? Did we play ball on the issue at all rather than insisting selfishly - field a team or we'll take the 3-0 walkover and 3 points.
Any sway with the FAI would land on Scanlons's desk for him to decide. A deflection from the cup fook up situation for an arguably justiied decision maybe.

Any notion of its good for the league has died with this issue. It’s clearly dog eat dog now.

Yup and the last few weeks have shown that FAI Nua is a total misnomer. If there was a proposal for the league to try going it alone again it would have to be backed. At least as a fledgling entity there would be some room for minor errors and a distancing from ongoing controversy with FAI finances, payment of the CEO, and some pretty basic admin messing. There could be a greater willingness to improve and change funding models. To have switched from thinking there should be partnership between league and association to just let the clubs at it is a real hange of heart on this, not cause its Dundalk involved, its just the continued PR own goals and that the league director may have been overruled.

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Originally Posted by D24Saint

Any notion of its good for the league has died with this issue. It’s clearly dog eat dog now.

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What's missing is an agreement as mentioned above. Less than 7 days between European games should be the only reason for domestic postponements. All clubs with European ambitions should be able to agree on that during the off season.

Just read the article in the Irish Times . Mark Scanlon has been totally undermined by whoever made this decision and Saint Pats.

20 years is no time.


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Deportivo?

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Originally Posted by Nesta99

Deportivo?

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On this day, 2004.

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Originally Posted by MichaelCherrito

On this day, 2004.

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I remember it well. 0 nil on agg up to half time, and then the floodgates opened second half, 3 nil. Deportivo had gotten to the Semifinals the year previous and were full of stars, Mauro Da Silva their captain.

To date probably the closest an Irish team has ever come to Champions League group stage? 45 minutes away