A stubborn Derryman? Rubbish!
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A stubborn Derryman? Rubbish!
Obviously you haven't seen some of the French rugby club shirts like Stade Francais, Perpignan and Montpellier.Quote:
Originally Posted by tricky_colour
Can you get much tighter than this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtRO_kLkFJkQuote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
I think he was just highlighting that Osman is best at that, while Darron is best at long range. Hence, there's a nice balance struck in the Everton midfield. Not that either of them couldn't exercise the other's primary trait with relative adequacy.
I think there's something very contrived about using the term 'quarter-back'. Beckham was referred to as such for quite a while during his CM days at Real Mardid.
In relation to his comments regarding Ireland, it's quite disappointing he didn't state that he actually does feel passionate about representing Ireland. But, I guess to do so would be an indictment against the present regime, consequently jeopardizing future involvement further.
He spoke about wanting to play and working hard in training - that requires at least some degree of passion - but, at the same time, it's clear that the decision-making at the Euros left him with a bitter taste in his mouth that he's found difficult to wash. That's not to justify how he's dealt with the situation. I think he's been extraordinarily petulant and prolonging the self-imposed exile won't do him any favours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
Says it all really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darron Gibson
Not really, because it doesn't consider what he had to offer to the team on the pitch, as opposed to what was actually sent out there on the pitch.
I'd have sympathy for his ...emotional distress... at the time, but I would expect him to have moved on and apply himself again with a similar determination.
Sorry, I meant it says it all about his attitude - working that bit harder because he felt he had a chance of making the team at a major Championship. I've no problem with Trap rewarding those who try their best all the time ahead of him, especially when it was only in little cameo roles which weren't going to really influence the outcome. I have zero sympathy for him but hold out minimal hope that he grows up and becomes a good player for us.
So, basically all he just has to do, is turn up, accept whatever and be himself on the pitch,
in order to demonstrate that he has grown up and is a good player for us. :)
Pretty much, although I don't really get the "accept whatever and be himself on the pitch" bit.
Accept whatever Trap decides, regardless of his own opinions on the matter and as he has already demonstrated his good midfield abilities with his club, he only has to repeat that form in order to be a good player for us.
eh no you are missing the most important part, and don't try and mask it in the "accept whatever" bit because its not mutually exclusive to your second bit. If he doesn't play then he can't "be himself on the pitch" if he "accepts whatever" Trap says, which means he is not playing. There is a pre-requisite to that, which reads something like, If trap selects him, do whatever he says, and play the way he has been playing for his club.
Afaiu you Paul in that post, first you claim I missed something which you regard is most important, then you assume a denial from me is coming, then you threaten me not to use the assumed denial, then you come up with an argument to the assumed argument I would make, after making the assumed denial.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Either that, or you are just having a normal conversation with the voices inside your head :)
You got it in 2, geddit?
Well I'm just used to your usual rhetoric in your <reply_to> posts, so I thought ill try and circumvent that by covering all bases.
Now you persist with your assumptions, assuming your (something very small) mind:rolleyes: understands my way of thinking, and not only that but you imply that there is something distasteful and devious about my replies. Finally ending off with a tribute to your great debating skill.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Now, where's that bucket smiley?
Oh right, so we're in agreement. I'm going to (naively) assume you're not being sarcastic.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Lots of loose passes there. We'll stick with Glenn for now I feel :D
87% passing success vs. Man City at the etihad. For the record Glenn Whelan is at 82.2% for the season. Needless to say who attempts the more ambitious passes as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
How long did it take you to put that video together?
I'm not making them, thank God! An Everton fan does them on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/user/EFCmatchcomps/videos?view=0
Yeah some people have an awful lot of time on their hands.
According to last line of this report, it seems "our" wee Darron has lost his appetite for international football for foreseeable future:rolleyes:
http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...e-3326561.html
A couple of things that strike me about the Gibson debate:
1. That video is very impressive but if Trap actually gave him a game in a competitive match ahead of Paul Greene or somebody of that ilk, he would never get so many touches of the ball. Everton are rarely route one in spite of having a target man like Fellaini.
2. Ireland, unless we start picking players like Long, Hoolahan and McCarthy do not have anything approaching the quality of players of Everton so, again, Gibson would not see half as much of the ball and when he did, his options would be limited as we would be entrenched on our own half. Also, players of lesser quality make poorer decisions when taking up positions off the ball so this problem would be compounded.
This is not to say that he shouldn't be picked ahead of some of the other candidates, of course he should. I just wouldn't expect a YouTube clip as long as that one to emerge after the match. You would then predict a wave of "I told you sos" from Trap apologists.
It's possible that rather than having little appetite for playing for Ireland per se, his fundamental issue is with playing under Trap. He expressed an eagerness to play but obviously felt shunned in some way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grafter
I expect Darron has a bit more spare time these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crosby87
I suspect Gibbo is awaiting the post-Trap era.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
If he is, then I'd hope the post-Trap manager gives him short shrift.
I think Gibson's guff about being disappointed with the Euros and needing time to get over it blah blah.... just shows the level of cynicism not only in the professional game, but also amongst alot of "da precious youth" of today... Even the way his actions are being justified by some on here makes me shake my head...
There used to be saying about NASA astronauts needing "the right stuff" to do their job for their country.... well it was quite clear to me the moment he withdrew from the Kazak match squad that he didn't possess "the right stuff" and a few long passes for his paymasters on Merseyside won't change my mind on that one.
Let him sit in the local town park on Thursday afternoon in February lamenting his lack of gametime in the Euros (just don't forget to bring some bread for the pigeons!)
Not particularly earth-shattering against Stoke yesterday, but didn't do much wrong. Same could be said for Coleman.
Fair point. it should be remembered though that gibson went through a tough process to move from the norths set up to ours with all the hassle that brings with it due to his determination to play for his country so I think people are a bit out of line suggesting he does not want to play for usQuote:
Originally Posted by Grafter
In case you misinterpreted me, I wasn't attempting to justify his self-imposed exile. Not sure others have been either, to be honest. Who has been justifying it? I was merely speculating as to his motivations; he has been accused of being disinterested in playing for his country when his primary (or even solitary) issue might well be with Trap and his selection policy. There's a distinction there. His willingness to play for Ireland is evidently conditional on some other factor - which doesn't fit with the romantic and unconditional ideals of supporterdom, I admit - but there's still a willingness there, if we are to take his word for it. Personally, I'd like to think I could see past personal grudges if offered the opportunity to play for my country, but I think it's still a distinction worth pointing out in this instance; to assert that Gibson simply doesn't want to play for Ireland (ŕ la Stephen Ireland) would be to tarnish him unfairly. It's easy for fans to get sanctimonious and claim they'd be willing to play for Ireland unconditionally if offered the chance, but Gibson's free to do as he pleases and I don't think this issue is as black-and-white as simply saying he doesn't want to play for us. Anyway, irrespective of all that, far from attempting to justify his decision, I've repeatedly made clear that I view it as petulant and ill-advised. I also think Trap would be well entitled to ignore him in the long term if Gibson is unwilling to come to terms with his position soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grafter
It reminds me of people accusing James McCarthy of lacking commitment in latter times when a niggling injury led to him pulling out of a few internationals after having voluntarily subjected himself to years of abuse in Scotland by virtue of his decision to play for us earlier in his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by liamoo11
I'm not sure how many were listening to the excellent Stephen Hunt doing co-commentary on Newstalk's West Brom-West Ham game today.
What a breathe of fresh air it is to hear an unaffected, honest pro talking about the game with balance and maturity. Accepting his lack of game-time in Poland without concocting some elaborate wrestling style "heal" versus "face" debacle with the manager. Didn't hear Stephen moan about his embarrassment and his family being out there and not getting on the pitch. In what he said today, Hunt certainly displayed the merits of a broad apprenticeship in the game with the likes of the lowly Brentford as opposed to the more "me me me" celebrity divaesque mentality mentality youngsters are now adopting at the bigger clubs. Read Liam Brady on Arsenal youths in latest FourFourTwo magazine in this regard.
Gibson attitude stinks. Ok yes maybe he was hard done by during the summer but he wasnt the only one. Plus there were plenty of times in the past when he got game time for Ireland when he really did not deserve it. Cop the fcuk on DG and man up.
Separately reports in the Times today that a few players have called for Brady to return to the set up to improve communication between management and players.
Have sympathy for both points of view. For Gibson's 'supporters' and detractors.
He should wise up. But he's not the only player (or prospective one) Trap's alienated, which is why after next March, we'll all be probably hoping 'Gio' leaves at the first opportunity...
He did handle things wrongly post Euros, but as said above he also did have to switch associations and the attendant fallout in order to play for us. I just get the feeling he was told he was competing for the spot next to Whelan, with McCarthy and on two levels this was a bit much for him to take, 1: he had been to the Euros and suffered the footballing indignity of seeing Paul Green sent on Vs Spain ahead of him and despite this, McCarthy was to get the nod first in the first post finals friendly, and 2: it was and is surely time for he and McCarthy to start together, he will be training with Andrews/Green/Whelan and will be keenly aware that clearly lesser players are being repeatedly selected ahead of him, there is bound to be a tipping point when this nonsense continues despite the collapse at the finals.
Yes, he handled it wrong, but there are mitigating circumstances here also. Its unfair to say he should want to play for his country, when all he has done is exhibit the will to do just that, but keeps coming up against a manager who is intent on selecting donkeys by comparison ahead of him.
Any chance of a link? I can't find reference to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by elroy
Just got sent off for a high foot, the second time the ref has produced a red card for a highly questionable reason.
Straight red for a high foot?