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Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Clearly though, research, is not a strong local attribute. Well in one part of the community!
;)
Wouldn't that say, be pretty much anyone born on the island under the GFA?Quote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
And the IFA's determination to, er, widen their search...
Cheers. I'm surprised that I missed that. I wonder who advised her to raise FIFA's eligibility rules (it is not an "eligibility issue" - that would suggest that it's ongoing, but we've gained closure)?Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
Sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Injustice, immoral, integrity ..... these are words your friend Gary scribbles in his demands of others. I'd urge your friend Gary to follow his own example and do right by his position.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
No, it would not be "pretty much anyone born on the island under the GFA."Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
In spite of having it explained to you on at least one occasion previously, you still don't grasp a basic tenet of eligibility to play for Northern Ireland ie. it is a prerequisite that you have British Citizenship.
Could I suggest you research the CAS conclusion more thoroughly?
As I am unaware of his alleged source, and the nature of any supporting evidence, I am not in a position to comment on how he could do right by his position.Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
However, it is quite plausible that his source (and evidence) might be a player (s), and that he is respecting their wishes at this point in time.
It's certainly a massive allegation to make, with potentially huge fallout, if proven.
If he is making it up, and it is proven that he is making it up, his position within the AONISC would be, in my opinion, untenable.
I don't believe Gary is that stupid, based on my dealings with him.
What he will do, as he always does, is what he believes to be best for the future of the Northern Ireland international teams.
Anyway, "urge him" directly, if you wish.
If you truly believe his accussations to have foundation which you say you do, you should be able to grasp the serious of his accussations and the need to address this asap. Nobody wants players "switching" under the circumstances your friend Gary says he is privy to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Absolutely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
There is no doubt method behind Gary's madness, and why he won't follow through with his accussations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Gary's no friend of mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Yes, of course I have grasped the seriousness of the allegations....that's why I said:Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
"it's certainly a massive allegation to make".
Gary will deal with it as he see's fit. I would imagine if he has sources, and they have requested anonymity at this time, that he would wholly respect that.
If/When the exact details of the allegations emerge into the public domain, that's the time for discussing them.
So how do you explain the IFA sniffing round anybody and everybody, out of pure desperation then? And that the GFA allows for duel citizenship.Or easier access to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
And clearly you've forgotten how unselective the Brits are when it comes to handing out passports. Especially when it comes to their sports teams...
Though I guess it would help even more so if you're a white South African!
ArdeeBhoy, are you suggesting that someone born in Connemara or Dingle is eligible for NI under the GFA?
If you are, I suggest you pull your oar in, you're not going to win that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
His Twitter profile does contain the following with attached proviso:Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
"Press Officer and Chairman of the Amalgamation of Official Northern Ireland Supporters' Clubs. Views are my own."
But, I do agree; the nature of these allegations are too serious for him to admit to having made them up for the sake of an argument and not be held accountable for that.
No JD, I'm suggesting they'll use whatever grounds they can to recruit players, however tenuous. Which in many cases they're entitled to do, but their hypocrisy is staggering. Not least of the fans.
Or the paranoia is too deep-rooted...Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
Macallisterian intrigue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Could the Gary & Sam stage act be taking their cue from this politician?
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_5XvBYfxU_dM/TV...ts[24].png
PS. The fact that Soviet spies were rampant in the US State Department and not purged until Reagan was given a list of their names from French intelligence, does in no way vindicate McCarthy's list, it actually proves McCarty's list was bogus :)
I got slightly mixed up in my thinking - Sam had named McClean, McAllister hadn't. Having said that the temptation to presume the allegations relate to McClean is very strong since he's the current eligibility poster boy. Regardless I was referring solely to McClean.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
It's safe to assume the allegations relate to McClean turning down the North's call in August 2011. What happened was as follows. A crack team of FAI Maiden City sympathisers got wind of Nigel's intentions to call on McClean and subsequently set about a distasteful process of abuse and intimidation to which McClean was left with no option but to turn Nigel down and declare "My dream has always been to play for the Republic of Ireland". In a subsequent contact between McClean and Gary AONISC, Gary AONISC became privy to the FAI's Maiden City crack team of abusers and intimidators and their role in poaching McClean to the dark side and the adoration of foot.ie members, a vile site of sectarian filled vitriolic hatred repute. But being a man of integrity, justice and high morals, Gary vowed to McClean not to reveal the duress he is under, evident by his outstanding performances for Sunderland FC to date, but rather to save this information for a more opportune time.Quote:
Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton
Just e-mailed the following letter to the Derry Journal, Belfast Telegraph and Irish News in relation to Diane Dodds' silly comments in the European Parliament the other day with the hope of having it published. Thought the comments were worth highlighting to a broader audience if possible.
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Sir,
At a sitting of the European Parliament on the 1st of February, 2012, Diane Dodds MEP of the DUP raised the so-called Northern Ireland player eligibility issue within the context of citation AH of the parliament's Report on the European Dimension in Sport. This is in spite of the fact that formal closure was brought to this footballing dispute between the Irish Football Association and the Football Association of Ireland a year and a half ago by the Court of Arbitration for Sport in the July 2010 case of Daniel Kearns.
Citation AH of the aforementioned report reads:
"[W]hereas national teams have a key role to play, international competitions continue to constitute a reference model and action should be taken against 'naturalisations of convenience'."
It was disappointing to listen to a European representative for this part of the world attempt to dismiss as "naturalisations of convenience" the Irish nationality of players born north of the border who opt to play for the FAI. Irish nationals born north of the border are Irish nationals as of birthright; they do not fall under the category of naturalised Irish nationals, never mind their nationality amounting to "naturalisations of convenience". Referring to their Irish nationality in the context of citation AH was thus insulting and wholly inappropriate. Dodds could, of course, plead ignorance as to the nature of the nationality of these players, but she is, after all, an educated woman with years of experience in politics, so one cannot help but suspect she was setting out to broadly offend by her comments.
Over a decade on from the signing of the Good Friday Agreement, is it not long past the time that certain public servants should have acknowledged the undisputed legitimacy of the national identity of the largest minority community north of the border?
Yours.
Trouble is you'd confuse half the readers of The BT.
Not to mention certain others...
The IFA have not been "sniffing round anybody and everybody".Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
They have been seeking out players that are eligible to play for Northern Ireland - this, by definition, means British Citizens otherwise eligible to play for Northern Ireland, as per FIFA Statutes.
Haven't a clue what point, in context, you were trying to make re: dual nationality, passports and the GFA.
More waffle.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
The IFA attempt to recruit players who are eligible to play for Northern Ireland.
In the case of British Citizens not born in Northern Ireland, the relevent FIFA statutes must be complied with...parent, grandparent, etc.
In ALL cases, they are entitled to recruit eligible players.
My inclination would be to think that any source would be a player(s) from a "nationalist background", who has (have) NOT made a switch to the South, and is (are) intent on continuing to play for Northern Ireland.Quote:
Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton
If you say so....Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
The evidence appears otherwise.
Does it?Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
What evidence?
Look at all the players they've scratched around for over the years. It's your team. Find it out yourself!
Yip...all British Citizens, whom the IFA had reason to believe were eligible to play for Northern Ireland, in accordance with the FIFA Statutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
I'm unaware of the IFA approaching any player who wasn't a British Citizen...are you?
ArdeeBhoy, I think you are fighting a losing battle here. Accusing the IFA of stretching the eligibility rules, coming from a devotee of the FAI, is calling the kettle black.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
That being said. This is an equally applicable quote
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Originally Posted by Any Foot.ie Member
Edit:AB, that's twice in quick succession, I've appeared to correct/comment in response to you. Sorry:o
Nothing personal, but I will say that you are noticably antagonistic when talking to NB, EG or GR but more power to you, I quite enjoy your comments. Usually informed(if a little biased :) )
It would be quite thick of the IFA to be harrying players who were not British nationals.
The obvious point NB is, that no association has the sole right to contact a dual national player about their intentions.
The FAI are quite within their rights to contact a player who is eligible to play for the FAI.
But for the IFA to pester a player who has openly declared his affiliation to the FAI, not just once but on a number of occasions, is a bizarre open display of arrogance. And notwithstanding those openly declared intentions, promise to contact him again -- just in case.
To some people, it is beyond their realms of reason that McClean is not what he appears to be (a lad built like a brick shíthouse, with a mind of steel), but rather a young impressionable lad with his will broken down by resolute 'love bombing' by a team of FAI recruiters and hired experts possibly from a thought to be defunct branch of Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (the inquisition).
And all this resulted in what we can only describe as a successful 'Stepford' process where the player then (with a vacant stare) states to the world with monotone speech, that now his heart is with the FAI.
Fair enough JD, hopefully have reiterated my point, albeit rather clumsily?
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Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Except you want to be careful if you want to be part of Britain's self-appointed 'master race' as they hand out passports to just about everyone.
Including plenty who have dual nationality (they weren't born there) and are all eligible for all their four 'teams'...
That's who the IFA (& Wales/Scotland) have scratched around for in the past. Even 'Ingerland' on occasion.
It's how Maik Taylor 'qualified', FFS.
Anyone born outside of Northern Ireland, holding British Citizenship, would need to meet the eligibility criterion laid out in FIFA Eligibility Statutes 6 or 7.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
I would remind you, again, that whilst British Citizenship is a prerequisite to play for Northern Ireland, holding a British Passport is not.
Maik Taylor would not be eligible to play for Northern Ireland under the current eligibility rules.
You really need to brush up on your research.
And Dele Adebola!Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
You're preaching to the converted on that issue, although I don't think it was a display of arrogance.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
I cringed when I heard of the approaches made to those who have indicated their desire to play for the South.
Hang on, you keep wittering on about a country called 'The South'.
Where's your research?
Lol.
The Sunday Life twitter page just said:
Only in Sunday Life: After Robinson's attendance at a GAA match, will Sinn Fein now go the extra mile and support the IFA in FAI row? #GAWA
Dear oh dear.
I reckon they will. Everything about Martin McGuinness's presidential campaign just screamed our wee country.
#cliffhanger!
Paul Ferguson has a two page spread on that theme in the Sunday Life today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Predator
I think he's now completely lost the plot.
Marc Wilson.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
He's quoted by Ciaran O'Raghallaigh in the Sunday Life today:
"Growing up I always wanted to play for the south. My family have always supported the south, and it has been my ambition since I was a kid. The same as Darron. And I haven't done anything wrong in declaring for the south".
Lol.
Well, you're as ignorant as each other then.
:rolleyes:
I can't blame poor Wilson for using such terminology really, seeing as he may have been offered a loaded question. I'd suspect that the editor (Ferguson), might have had the final say there. Pure conjecture though, obviously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Would there be any chance that you could scan a copy of it up here? I'm not in a position to access the SL at the moment. 2 pages - there must be something worthy of consideration.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
The piece which quoted Wilson by O'Raghallaigh was headed The Eligibility Row View From The Republic - Republic enjoys support from all over Ireland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Predator
I don't have access to a scanner at the moment.
Ferguson's piece is poor - in keeping with tradition.