The very reliable source (now referred to as rumours) is from the Maiden City. No names (surprise).Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
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The very reliable source (now referred to as rumours) is from the Maiden City. No names (surprise).Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...#ixzz1l9Lmp252
Gerry's been working hard
(Armstrong that is)
Danny you wrote well on that blog, but this piece requires more explanation or a different expression.
"Even if the FAI were to enter some internal agreement with the IFA, such an agreement would breach this right of those not party to that agreement. This was also pointed out in the CAS judgment."
What CAS adjudicated on in that context was the alleged gentleman's agreement that the IFA offered as part of their argument.
page 26
90. 'In any event, the alleged tacit agreement may not be used to defeat the claim ofMr Kearns, who was of course not a party to any such agreement and who, in anyevent, is entitled to exercise his rights as provided under Article 15 and 18 of the2009 Application Regulations.
AFAIU, If the FAI and IFA got together and formulated some document as regards the eligibility of players for their respective associations and this document was approved by FIFA and entered as an addendum to the eligibility statutes, then it would be binding.
That's true, which is why I referred to an "internal agreement"* to imply one made solely between the two associations without any amendment or addition being made to FIFA's regulations. Of course, if FIFA amended or did add an addendum to the regulations in order to make way for such an agreement, there'd be no problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
*Possibly I could have phrased it better; a private bilateral agreement maybe?
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Originally Posted by punkrocket
There's that paranoid siege mentality again. The main reason nationalists have little to do with the NI team is because it's an irrelevancy to them; not because they're bitter or hostile.Quote:
With many nationalists hostile to the international team, viewing its home stadium in south Belfast as a cold house for Catholics, the remarks from the Sinn Fein Deputy First Minister potentially represent another landmark in improving cross-community relations.
Following on from Gerry Armstrong’s recent ‘successful’ mission to St. Columb’s College in Derry to stem the flow of 'young roman catholic players opting to play for a foreign country’ :rolleyes: It’s interesting to see that two St Columb’s players have been selected by Paul Doolin for the Ireland u18 squad
Keep up the good work Agent Gerry.:rolleyes:
Think the thread appears to veer towards Doherty being eligible, he certainly always thought so. Regardless Worthington approached players about switching and looked at plenty of keeping options above Doherty while not bothering to check out the Brandy. Absurd he wasn't at least checked out (more Worthington's fault than the IFA's in fairness, who do maintain the occasional presence at the Brandy).Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
So, in summary.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
If you have represented an Association in only friendlies, you don't have to "request a change" in order to represent another Association for which you are eligible?
In other words, "switching" doesn't happen in that scenario?
Perhaps that's a rabbit in Gary's hat that he will produce to maximum effect at the appropriate time - rather than disclosing his source and evidence to someone on the Internet?Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
Just a thought.
Having originally decided to side with the South, did Doherty ever formally let the IFA know that he would be interested in playing for Northern Ireland?Quote:
Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton
Or maybe he made it up?Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Just a thought.
You are putting too much faith in Gary's ability I would say. Gary strikes me (and unlike you I don't know the guy and only have his public utterances to base this on) as the sort of guy who couldn't wait to produce the rabbit. No way he would allow it to stay in his pants that long.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Time will tell, no doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Predator
He's a good card player.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
Snap or Old Maid?Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Let's get this straight. Your friend Gary has evidence that certain parties are pressurising, abusing, intimidating and maybe even threatening players to represent the FAI in international competition. And he is keeping it to himself for the most opportune time. And you believe this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Let's get this straight - I offered an opinion as to why Gary may not wish to disclose such information to people, like Danny, on the Internet.Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
Nothing more, nothing less.
I am not privy to any evidence to back up such claims - however, if Gary were to say he has such evidence, I would be inclined to believe him...based on past experiences.
Whether you believe that, frankly, is irrelevant
Jack change it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
Quite a far fetched opinion you formed .....Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
I wouldn't dismiss accussations of players being forced or pressurised into playing for the FAI against their open free will so lightly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Of course not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Gary says he has such evidence. Page 123 of this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
I'll bear that in mind. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
I'd concur with Danny, the evidence is that the NI fan reps have stepped over fully into the realms of the sinister conspiracy.
The type of bogeyman adventures that a 7 year old would find believable, entertained and excited.
Hard to credit some of stuff that once passed as being very believable to a 7 year old's fantasy.
You think it's "far fetched" that Gary would not wish to disclose his source or evidence to some random ROI fan on the Internet?Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
Right.
And I don't think Gary would dismiss such allegations lightly either.Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
As I stated - if he says he has evidence, then I'd be inclined to believe him.
If/When and how he discloses the source and evidence is entirely within his gift.
Gary had no problem in making the accussations. Yet was unwilling to follow through in backing them up. Wonder why? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Left?Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Gary's playing to his audience.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Maybe he will back them up - when it suits him to do so, and to whom he wishes to do so?Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
If he's making it up, there's nothing for you to be getting exercised about.
So, basically, the alleged victim is a mere pawn (or Jack). You think that McAllister, the main man at the AONISC, might be willing to exploit the alleged victim's plight in an attempt to strengthen his argument?Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Surely the player's welfare should come first and so, he should act in a mature :o manner and act in the player's interests, not his own selfish interests.
Like you, I'll wait and see what transpires.Quote:
Originally Posted by Predator
I don't answer for (or to) Gary Mac.
I am unaware of the specific nature of the allegations and I am unaware of the numbers of players involved or their identity(ies).
He has no evidence. It's a fantasy. Let's not get caught up in this non-story - it would be fairly evident around Derry if this was the case, far more evident than it would be in, say, IFA HQ or Gary McAllister's bedroom.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
IF you're suggesting Doherty would've received a call-up by now simply by dint of declaring, you are being disingenuous. He clearly hasn't been on the radar imo. It's simply my belief NI have approached players when they're good enough/in need of a player and I believe Doherty is one who should have been considered by now. That's all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
If you say he has no evidence, I respect your right to hold that opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton
I don't know if he does, or doesn't.
Regarding Doherty, basically you're saying he didn't formally advise the IFA that he would consider a call up - having previously nailed his colours to the FAI mast.
Why would it only be evident in Derry?Quote:
Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton
Don't always agree with Sv.D., but he's totally on the money here. And Thanks to him for that.
Gary Mac sounds a yet another aranoid eejit, along with yer man Gamble.
And they're the OWB 'intelligensia' ?
Truth is, it's got to the stage where NB and even, er, our currently absent Rotund friend are seen as 'moderate voices of reason'. :rolleyes:
Which in at least one case, probably doesn't say much for the rest...
Don't worry AB - it's not a label you're ever likely to be accused of.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Funny, down here we call that "Switch".Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
How apt.
Small town syndrome not to mention the proliferation of (generally reliable) channels of info between Derry fans means it would be evident if true. Put simply too many know James and his family personally for an instance like that to elude them but, somehow, not Gary McAllister.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Michael O'Neill expressly stated that he was going to consider anyone eligible for NI. I'm sure if Doherty was on O'Neill's radar he'd have contacted Doherty, in the same manner that James McClean and Marc Wilson were.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Whatever about the evidence that Gary McAllister may or may not have, there are quotes attributable to the likes of Armstrong and O'Neill to show that they've contacted players who have declared for ROI; the aforementioned pair, as well as Anton Rodgers. If this evidence actually does exist and McAllister has it, then not to produce it while these quotes are easily accessible could well be a shot in the foot, could it not?
We were on the same wavelength then.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
So you presume the allegations relate solely to Derry based players?Quote:
Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton
DUP's Diane Dodds said she "highlighted the Northern Ireland player eligibility issue" recently: https://twitter.com/#!/DianeDoddsMEP...09288543223809
I can't seem to access the video. Perhaps she's taking a leaf out of McAllister and Gamble's book and blocking me?
I'm not sure what quotes attributable to Messrs Armstrong & O'Neill have to do with the discussion, in the context of Gary's allegations?Quote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
Mentioned it here: http://foot.ie/threads/147164-Eligib...=1#post1570843Quote:
Originally Posted by Predator
The video may work in Internet Explorer for you. Didn't work in Google Chrome for me initially. Needless to say, Dodds was well and truly barking up a wrong tree in relation to her supposed interpretation of part AH of the Report on the European Dimension in Sport:
"[W]hereas national teams have a key role to play, international competitions continue to constitute a reference model and action should be taken against 'naturalisations of convenience'."
Of course, Irish nationals born north of the border are Irish nationals as of birthright; they're not naturalised Irish nationals, never mind being naturalised nationals of convenience.
The thing is, he was rather ambiguous and left the allegations open-ended (imaginations can run wilder that way), but if illegal threats have been made or intimidation has occurred, he'd be best reporting such behaviour to the police - if player welfare really is a genuine concern of his - along with any evidence he might have, rather than throwing me innuendo on Twitter and then running off to hide. Likewise for Gamble, rather than making silly threats about reporting Foot.ie to the police.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
I think McAllister was bluffing and resorted to making vague accusations as he ran out of fuel in the argument. I suspect he's making a bigger deal than is warranted out of something like a community representative offering words of support or advice to a player mulling over a switch, if even that happened. Much ado about nothing and little to do with the FAI. Ultimately, is the suggestion that James McClean has opted to play for the FAI against his will?
That appears to be so. James Wallace and Gerard Kinsella, for example, represented the FAI in a non-competitive under-age fixture but Predator is fairly certain they weren't even eligible at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Sam Gamble stated the following in the comments section of his blog:Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
"This would not be the correct place to state some of the fairly reliable rumours that came out of the Maiden City around the McLean [sic] issue."