Martin O'Neill and Roy Keane

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Originally Posted by BonnieShels

Well Lukas has a thread here therefore we can assume like Paddy Bamford there is widesprwad clamour for their inclusion. That's what I infer from a player with a thread.

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Unless it has 100 pages and numerous conspiracy theories it doesn't count as a clamour for me.

You were always a stickler. I like to jump the gun and live on the edge.

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Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks

Some randomer who is completely ambivalent about playing Intl. football for Ireland, who said he would like to play for Poland if England didn't select him, who has been bang average at Championship level and continued that form into the Premier League; and yet some people would rather continue to hand out caps like confetti to people like him than reward lads like Alan Judge, Alan McCormack and Jonathan Douglas who have all been a credit to a promotion chasing Brentford team and would give their right arm to be selected for their country.

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The Pole's a forward, the Brentford boys are defenders and midfielders. Why make such silly comparisons?

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Originally Posted by BonnieShels

Well Lukas has a thread here therefore we can assume like Paddy Bamford there is widesprwad clamour for their inclusion. That's what I infer from a player with a thread.

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I had a read through the thread here: http://foot.ie/threads/143742-Lukas-Jutkiewicz

It's very brief with not a solitary call for his inclusion (bar SkStu's obviously-ironic post that seemed to confuse worm). Most agree he's not good enough and acknowledge we're probably only his third choice anyway. Where have you heard or seen people call for his inclusion and the inclusion of players like him, TOWK?

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Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks

Some randomer who is completely ambivalent about playing Intl. football for Ireland, who said he would like to play for Poland if England didn't select him, who has been bang average at Championship level and continued that form into the Premier League; and yet some people would rather continue to hand out caps like confetti to people like him than reward lads like Alan Judge, Alan McCormack and Jonathan Douglas who have all been a credit to a promotion chasing Brentford team and would give their right arm to be selected for their country.

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Player looking to boost his career by looking to play international football SHOCKER!!!!

Let's be honest, most English born player dream of playing for England. That's only natural. But if we are a plan B then so be it. I don't mind once they give their best and are 100% committed. Just because someone mention a player with Irish links on here doesn't mean we are all asking the powers that be to pick him!

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

I'd say JD promised him a pay rise if he could distract from his own media attention for a few days.

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Funny the first thing I thought when I heard Keane resigned from Villa was that he felt it was wrong that Delaney was generating more headlines than him and needed to focus on Ireland to rectify this.

Of course it is believable that Delaney has such prescient powers of manipulation over one of his most stubborn adversaries :) but not even Delaney could persuade the FAI to top up Keane's reputed Eur 700k salary as assistant to O'Neill.

Roy's simple choice could have been, Eur500k for a full time job or Eur700k for a job where an occasional appearance is required.

(Salary figures are courtesy of that oracle, The Irish Daily Star)

Tony Cascarino hasn't much time for Roy: http://balls.ie/football/tony-cascar...-harshest-yet/

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Originally Posted by Balls.ie

Tony Cascarino acknowledged that from what he had heard, Roy Keane was a good coach at Villa. He even reported that the players liked him and his training sessions. There the praise ends.

In his London Times article at the weekend, he said that Keane receives special treatment – that his flounces and loss of temper would see him castigated if he wasn’t Roy Keane, but instead it’s a ‘pat on the back and thanks for your trouble.’

He accused Keane of abandoning Villa at a time when they most need him – pointing out that Ireland don’t have a game until March.

"If his decision is to be taken at face value — that he felt he could not commit fully to his roles at Villa Park, with the Ireland team, and at ITV — then he has walked out on his club when they need him most, at a time when his country hardly need him at all. Ireland do not play again until March."

He lamented that Keane keeps having opportunities falling into his lap when there are ‘hundreds of coaches toiling away at all levels of game who would be desperate for the opportunities he has had… Doors that remain closed to the vast majority of people seem to open, as if by magic, for Keane, despite what is at best a mixed record as a manager.’

He delivers possibly his toughest line in the penultimate paragraph. Association football is not usually a game that frets about it’s popularity or how it comes across to the world, but Cascarino says the fact that Keane keeps getting job offers is embarrassing.

"That he continues to be given chance after chance simply on the strength of his name eventually becomes embarrassing for the sport, as though it is completely in thrall to his reputation."

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Is he bitter with jealousy?

Doubtful. From what I know of Cas, he was never RMK's biggest fan...

The feelings are very much mutual. I remember Keane saying in an interview that "you can't believe a word that man says".

Is it just me or is it a relief to see this thread having a proper title after all this time? I'm the kind of guy who needs pictures to be hanging straight and curtains fully drawn, so this type of thing matters to me.

Why would anybody hang a picture crooked... my skin just crawled at the thought. In fairness though, it had more character the other way. A Tricky Masterclass.

Don't care about the title, it's whether these two have any meaningful impact...
Guess we'll find out in late March.

I won't hold my breath, but wish them well.

Crazy talk AB, I'd much prefer to have the thread title correct than qualify for the Euros.

Well, both seem unlikely...

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Originally Posted by DeLorean

Why would anybody hang a picture crooked... my skin just crawled at the thought. In fairness though, it had more character the other way. A Tricky Masterclass.

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Is it just me or is it a relief to see this thread having a proper title after all this time? I'm the kind of guy who needs pictures to be hanging straight and curtains fully drawn, so this type of thing matters to me.

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http://i.imgur.com/sUZ4JXb.jpg
mu-hu-wa-ha-haaa!

Lolz.

Cascarino makes fair enough points there I think. Surprised Keane hasn't retaliated yet, but maybe there hasn't been a chance to date.

What chances does Keane keep 'undeservedly' getting though? It could definitely be argued that he'd done nothing to deserve the Sunderland job, but that worked out very well for them and he certainly did enough to warrant another job, at what was a lower level. Things didn't go too well at Ipswich so he's basically been demoted (or has demoted himself) to assistant manager roles instead of the main man, seems reasonable enough. This is the second job (amongst other things) that he's walked out on though so obviously that should, and probably will, count against him in the future.

The ego, the ego, the ego.