Jack Grealish

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Originally Posted by DeLorean

Holding out in hope or safe in the knowledge that it is going to happen?

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Again, there's oh so many variables in play here and it's proving tougher to read the mind of Jack and his current international status.

Is he pulling out because he couldn't be arsed with: (A) playing for Ireland under 21's (B) playing for Ireland under 21's in a friendly (C) playing for Ireland

Or.. is he pulling out because MON has him lined up to come into the squad for USA friendly or he hopes to come in for the USA friendly, but hasn't been assured of this by MON?

It's getting stranger. I wish someone would clarify something.

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Originally Posted by DeLorean

Holding out in hope or safe in the knowledge that it is going to happen?

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neither really, I meant it as a joke. Of course if he is called up I'll be first to tell you all that I read the situation perfectly.

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Originally Posted by Olé Olé

Or.. is he pulling out because MON has him lined up to come into the squad for USA friendly or he hopes to come in for the USA friendly, but hasn't been assured of this by MON?

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The idea of lads temporarily turning down under-age call-ups to focus on their club careers before later playing for the concerned association's senior team (or their under-age sides again) isn't unprecedented. Ryan McLaughlin and Rory Donnelly have done it with NI. I'm sure other young footballers have done it around the world.

If Martin does plan on bringing him in for the US, why is it being "stage-managed"? Why not just announce now that he'll be in the squad after Scotland? Would it be to avoid a media hoo-ha ensuing over why he's not making himseld available (to be cap-tied) for the Scotland squad too? Then again, the present mystery of the situation stirs plenty of doubtful talk anyway, so it's not as if either option is going to nip media talk in the bud.

All very puzzling indeed. Where's Fallon when you need him?!

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

No, he has never been clear and definite. Please drop the factious tone. You may not like some of the posters here but I'm getting tired of silly digs when not necessary. You're actually one of only a handful here who were quick to draw conclusions in either direction.

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Who said I dont like posters here? Stop trying to read my mind. I am just writing the opposite of what others said and are saying. Nothing wrong with that.

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

Who said I dont like posters here? Stop trying to read my mind. I am just writing the opposite of what others said and are saying. Nothing wrong with that.

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So you're criticising people for reading your exact words and assuming they might be actually what you think? That's annoyingly and pointlessly obtuse, even by your standards.

No I'm not, I never anywhere said I didn't like posters on this forum. Just because I dont agree with someone doesn't mean I don't like them. I hope you arent so fickle or sensitive in your daily life when getting into disagreements/difference of opinions with people. And stop adding 2 and 2 and getting 6.

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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

So you're criticising people for reading your exact words and assuming they might be actually what you think? That's annoyingly and pointlessly obtuse, even by your standards.

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I think Stutts understood the tone of the post, that's why he described it as facetious.

You made it sound like you're just writing the opposite of what people were saying for the sake of it.

Oh sorry CD, I was speaking literally, my intention wasn't that I am just writing it for the sake of it.

Paul, you know as much as anyone else on the forum on this topic, stop trying to convince us otherwise

attack the post, not the poster geysir.

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Ya Tets, sorry I am not saying I know more, the more we learn the less we understand it appears on the Jack Grealish affair.

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

The idea of lads temporarily turning down under-age call-ups to focus on their club careers before later playing for the concerned association's senior team (or their under-age sides again) isn't unprecedented. Ryan McLaughlin and Rory Donnelly have done it with NI. I'm sure other young footballers have done it around the world.

If Martin does plan on bringing him in for the US, why is it being "stage-managed"? Why not just announce now that he'll be in the squad after Scotland? Would it be to avoid a media hoo-ha ensuing over why he's not making himseld available (to be cap-tied) for the Scotland squad too? Then again, the present mystery of the situation stirs plenty of doubtful talk anyway, so it's not as if either option is going to nip media talk in the bud.

All very puzzling indeed. Where's Fallon when you need him?!

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MON couldn't pick his own nose these days
As for JG and Da, let them enjoy their 15 mins of fame.
I actually know the outcome of all this but Herr Tetsa won't allow it!

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Originally Posted by the doc

MON couldn't pick his own nose these days
As for JG and Da, let them enjoy their 15 mins of fame.
I actually know the outcome of all this but Herr Tetsa won't allow it!

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Haha, how do you know the outcome? Is it verifiable? I'm sure you're more than welcome to post potentially-contentious claims so long as they're substantiated.

Thread locked, I'm done trying to decided who's right/wrong in every new post here

I'll unlock it if/when Grealish's future is decided
any mention of him on any other thread, other than "played/scored/booked/sent off for Villa" and you can have some time off to think about what you've done

Lot of discussion on Grealish on other threads, so I'm unlocking this.

warning - if I feel the discussion descends to previous levels of ridicule, I'll lock it again

His future given the back page and most of the inside page in the ipaper today, about how England must do everything to get him on board.

If they keep this pressure if it'll be very difficult for him not to switch to England.

Yep I agree. We really need to qualify for these Euros!

The sooner this saga is resolved once and for all the better.

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Originally Posted by back of the net

Jack's Dad on Newstalk this morning...basically said the following......its completely up to Jack, big decision for him to make, maybe in the upcoming friendly he can play 45 mins for Ireland and 45 mins for England (that part said in Jest of course)

Tim Sherwood interviewed on radio earlier.....Big decision for Jack, said he hadnt spoken with him over it but if asked he would tell Jack to go with his heart ( which is the correct thing to do)

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He seems an emotional sort anyway so I would be surprised if he didn't go with his heart. Unfortunately, that's that necessarily us though, regardless of whether or not he has sang along to some ballads.

I'm don't have as much faith as Danny in the comments he made at the FAI awards to be honest, he was just in a place in time where he needed to mumble out something that wouldn't rock the boat. There was nothing emphatic about the delivery, even if the words themselves seem conclusive.

The truth is I have no idea what his motives or feelings are on the matter, none of us do. As a player we currently have (kind of!) it is obviously worrying that we may lose him. Hopefully the guy who wrote that piece for The Examiner knows even more than the article suggests, because I don't think there was anything overly reassuring in it.

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Yep I agree. We really need to qualify for these Euros!

The sooner this saga is resolved once and for all the better.

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Absolutely. Lads like Grealish I'm sure like to be going to tournaments not staying at home watching them.

However, I never knew that 3 out of his 4 grandparents are actually Irish born and bred from Kerry, Galway and Dublin. If he feels English after that then let him off.