Munster Senior League

anybody know why Garryduff have no game yet this season?

Apparantly they have no team so like last year when they fell apart midseason the MSL have given them time to get themselves together

Would any other team be afforded this luxury?

I hear Crofton applied for senior status surely they as an honest club deserve to replace a garryduff team who were twice caught fielding illegal players last year?

What do ye think???

Avondale 0-0 Everton. Everton had man sent off with ten mins left and Referee awarded blatent penalty. Mark Sull for Avondale with post and came back out. Finished 0-0.

avondale nil all with everton. very few chances created. everton had a man sent off for an intentional hand ball and marky sull missed the resulting penalty. avondale are struggling to get the players john o'rourke brought with him, off the form as they no longer want to play for avondale. that rule of 23 players is a joke, its not as if it professional or anything. i think clubs should get together and vote on that rule and hopefully get it abolished.

but you can remove a player from the form once he sighns a form and then register a new player.

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Originally Posted by AvondaleNutter

avondale nil all with everton. very few chances created. everton had a man sent off for an intentional hand ball and marky sull missed the resulting penalty. avondale are struggling to get the players john o'rourke brought with him, off the form as they no longer want to play for avondale. that rule of 23 players is a joke, its not as if it professional or anything. i think clubs should get together and vote on that rule and hopefully get it abolished.

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Originally Posted by ringmahon4ever

but you can remove a player from the form once he sighns a form and then register a new player.

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yes but you have to wait for that player to find another club and get a transfer or else your stuck with that player for the season on your form. I just think its a silly rule

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Originally Posted by AvondaleNutter

yes but you have to wait for that player to find another club and get a transfer or else your stuck with that player for the season on your form. I just think its a silly rule

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No you dont if a player just doesnt wanna play anymore you can take him off your form its the choice of a club we did it so there shoudnt be a problem. We lost 2-0 yesterday against Midleton we were very poor. Hpoefully we pick up 3 points next week versus Ballincollig. Fingers crossed.

We beat Ringmahon today 3-1, we were one down at half time and came back well to win. Ringmahon were good and it could have went either way but we edged it.

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Originally Posted by Southsider

No you dont if a player just doesnt wanna play anymore you can take him off your form its the choice of a club we did it so there shoudnt be a problem. We lost 2-0 yesterday against Midleton we were very poor. Hpoefully we pick up 3 points next week versus Ballincollig. Fingers crossed.

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i wasn't aware of that. i was led to believe that a player had to transfer or else emigrate to get him off the form. Is it just a matter of contactin the MSL to say you want a player removed so?

yeah ye had the better of the second.we came out dead in second half. .keeper made bad mistakes and it was a stupid sending off.our captain went off with a very bad ankle injury from that tackle.yere striker beezer shoudnt be left any space cause he can punish teams in two seconds.

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Originally Posted by collcorforever

We beat Ringmahon today 3-1, we were one down at half time and came back well to win. Ringmahon were good and it could have went either way but we edged it.

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Originally Posted by AvondaleNutter

i wasn't aware of that. i was led to believe that a player had to transfer or else emigrate to get him off the form. Is it just a matter of contactin the MSL to say you want a player removed so?

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once you write a letter and get a player to sign it he can be removed.make spaces available on form then

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Originally Posted by mayfield utd

why won't he last long i seen him play when he was up with mayfield for a season good ball player and since avondale or a good football team he should fit in well

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if his injuries keep comeing back it be very hard.especially comeing into the winter

Nothing stands out in Intermediate Cup draw although Rockmount v's Mayfield could be a good game. Let's hope it comes South this year and back to Cork.

Yeah, I can confirm we applied but we were turned down because we hadn't done enough in Juniors leagues!!! We explained that its hard to attract good players when your playing in a crap league. What surprised us was there comment that the second division is not limited to 10 teams so watch this space for some new arrivals in the next couple of years.

Garryduff-gate continues it seems.

There are plenty of clubs in Cork who are more worthy of a place in the MSL than Garryduff or whatever they are called this week.
Crofton have a much better tradition and history and should be helped to get back senior where they belong, as an addition to, or at the expense of Garryduff.

Also, there are many AUL clubs waiting for the 5 year ceasefire between the MSL and AUL to end. (No movement allowed between AUL and MSL for 5 years - what is the footballing reason for this?).

The MSL and the AUL should organise a promotion/relegation between the MSL Div 2 and the AUL Premier. (Criteria for facilities could be outlined in advance)

Leeside, Grattan, Kinsale, Wilton and Park Utd from Mitchelstown would all hold their own in the MSL Div 1 or higher and deserve their chance to step up. Bureaucracy should not keep good players down or poor teams up (eg. Garryduff).

Some people will remember that the top MSL clubs such as Rockmount, Blarney, St. Marys, Avondale and Douglas Hall all originally came from the AUL.
There should be a route for this trend to continue or has it become an old boys club now?

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Originally Posted by Shilts

Garryduff-gate continues it seems.

There are plenty of clubs in Cork who are more worthy of a place in the MSL than Garryduff or whatever they are called this week.
Crofton have a much better tradition and history and should be helped to get back senior where they belong, as an addition to, or at the expense of Garryduff.

Also, there are many AUL clubs waiting for the 5 year ceasefire between the MSL and AUL to end. (No movement allowed between AUL and MSL for 5 years - what is the footballing reason for this?).

The MSL and the AUL should organise a promotion/relegation between the MSL Div 2 and the AUL Premier. (Criteria for facilities could be outlined in advance)

Leeside, Grattan, Kinsale, Wilton and Park Utd from Mitchelstown would all hold their own in the MSL Div 1 or higher and deserve their chance to step up. Bureaucracy should not keep good players down or poor teams up (eg. Garryduff).

Some people will remember that the top MSL clubs such as Rockmount, Blarney, St. Marys, Avondale and Douglas Hall all originally came from the AUL.
There should be a route for this trend to continue or has it become an old boys club now?

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One of the main reason clubs haven't been allowed into the MSL previously was due to facilities & not footballing abillity. Granted some AUL sides are now getting their act together but nobody in the Senior league wants to be relegated back to the days of getting changed on the side of the pitch.

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Originally Posted by ballsac7

One of the main reason clubs haven't been allowed into the MSL previously was due to facilities & not footballing abillity. Granted some AUL sides are now getting their act together but nobody in the Senior league wants to be relegated back to the days of getting changed on the side of the pitch.

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Haha!
Nobody in the AUL Premier Division gets changed al fresco anymore.
It's all gone very posh! :o

Anyway, if you're not good enough to play senior you should get shipped out.
You shouldn't be allowed to hang onto your senior status just because you've been there for years.
Footballing ability has to be the major factor in deciding who are the senior clubs.

For example - The Barrs (former All Ireland club football winners) lost their senior status a few years back - roughed it Intermediate for a year and came back up to the senior ranks, based on their results.

But Kinsale who have won 5 AUL Premier titles in 8 years can't get 'promoted' and far inferior MSL Div 2 teams can't get 'relegated'.

To me that is unfair and doesn't promote an ethos of competitiveness in some clubs.
Could you imagine the relegation battle at the bottom of Div 2 if the losers were to get moved on to the AUL.
Now that would be competitive :D

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Originally Posted by AvondaleNutter

Ya i don't see why he won't last there either. Think he lost his way down in Ringmahon and with good players around, im sure they'll bring out the best in him. I think he's made the right move if he wants to get his career back on track.

Think its sour grapes from Ringmahon4ever

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I dont think its sour grapes,if things dont go jammers way he can be a bad influence,imo Chris Fox is a better player

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Originally Posted by Shilts

Haha!
Nobody in the AUL Premier Division gets changed al fresco anymore.
It's all gone very posh! :o

Anyway, if you're not good enough to play senior you should get shipped out.
You shouldn't be allowed to hang onto your senior status just because you've been there for years.
Footballing ability has to be the major factor in deciding who are the senior clubs.

For example - The Barrs (former All Ireland club football winners) lost their senior status a few years back - roughed it Intermediate for a year and came back up to the senior ranks, based on their results.

But Kinsale who have won 5 AUL Premier titles in 8 years can't get 'promoted' and far inferior MSL Div 2 teams can't get 'relegated'.

To me that is unfair and doesn't promote an ethos of competitiveness in some clubs.
Could you imagine the relegation battle at the bottom of Div 2 if the losers were to get moved on to the AUL.
Now that would be competitive :D

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That will never happen the 2 leagues would have to amalgamate and currently the MSL and AUL probably have 4 or 5 representatives each on various FAI committees for which they get travel expenses for meeetings, freebie international tickets and various other add ons. So which 5 are going to give up their goodies? Answer is none.
These guys are like politicians in it for themselves and what they can get.

Blarney Utd 0-1 Avondale Utd tonight
Marky Sull in the second half

Also heard tonight that Karl Caulfield has signed for Avondale.

Rockmount 0-0 Everton. Game abandoned after 20 minutes. Flood lights didn't work. Officials still took the full match fee having started the game knowing that Rockmount had a problem with the lights. Disgraceful !!

Carrigaline 0-1 Mayfield Utd.

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Originally Posted by razor

Blarney Utd 0-1 Avondale Utd tonight
Marky Sull in the second half

Also heard tonight that Karl Caulfield has signed for Avondale.

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yes i heard that also. things are looking up for avondale. they played the better football tonight but it was blarney who had the better chances. great save by dave o'keefe in the first half kept it at nil all. With 5 minutes to go avondale scored a well worked goal with jammer and mark sull linking up well with mark sull rounding the keeper to score. Micheal kiernan,hoggy and hargy were exceptional at the back. O'Leary was blarney's best player and was probably man of the match

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Originally Posted by Duster Bouglas

That will never happen the 2 leagues would have to amalgamate and currently the MSL and AUL probably have 4 or 5 representatives each on various FAI committees for which they get travel expenses for meeetings, freebie international tickets and various other add ons. So which 5 are going to give up their goodies? Answer is none.
These guys are like politicians in it for themselves and what they can get.

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Originally Posted by Shilts

Haha!
Nobody in the AUL Premier Division gets changed al fresco anymore.
It's all gone very posh! :o

Anyway, if you're not good enough to play senior you should get shipped out.
You shouldn't be allowed to hang onto your senior status just because you've been there for years.
Footballing ability has to be the major factor in deciding who are the senior clubs.

For example - The Barrs (former All Ireland club football winners) lost their senior status a few years back - roughed it Intermediate for a year and came back up to the senior ranks, based on their results.

But Kinsale who have won 5 AUL Premier titles in 8 years can't get 'promoted' and far inferior MSL Div 2 teams can't get 'relegated'.

To me that is unfair and doesn't promote an ethos of competitiveness in some clubs.
Could you imagine the relegation battle at the bottom of Div 2 if the losers were to get moved on to the AUL.
Now that would be competitive :D

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Totallly agre with ye lads. Playing in the Aul at the moment but i do see a lot of local games each week wether it be aul or msl. Ok msl facilities are 2nd to none and its always a pleasure to play a msl team but surely its the football that counts? Id fancy Kinsale Leeside and Grattan to challenge in the 1st Div and hold there own in the prem. IMO the Msl Prem is 2 tiered= Rockmount Avondale Blarney Douglas Hall St Marys 1st tier the rest dont have a prayer of winning it.

This is my rating on leagues in Cork, feel free to reply good or more than likely bad!!!

Msl Snr Prem
Msl Snr 1st/Aul Prem
Aul Prem A/ Msl Jnr Prem
Aul 1st/Msl 2nd
Msl Jnr 1st/Aul 2nd
Aul 3rd/ Business and Shipping

Douglas hall beat Tramore 5-1
Mark Murphy with two(player of the week) Strachan with 2 and derek varian with a great solo goal

Tramore are a bad side..I know there was one serious injury in tramore park already this season and there will be plenty more if referees dont start sending their players off..they should have a red card after 30 seconds today and maybe 3 or 4 more had the referee booked players when he should have.

Encouraged by their manager to kick and foul hopefully for the good of the league they are only here on a short stay

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Originally Posted by Bodie

Douglas hall beat Tramore 5-1
Mark Murphy with two(player of the week) Strachan with 2 and derek varian with a great solo goal

Tramore are a bad side..I know there was one serious injury in tramore park already this season and there will be plenty more if referees dont start sending their players off..they should have a red card after 30 seconds today and maybe 3 or 4 more had the referee booked players when he should have.

Encouraged by their manager to kick and foul hopefully for the good of the league they are only here on a short stay

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'Hall took a while to get going - Tramore took the lead, Strachan equalised almost immediately. Second half was one-way traffic. Hall dominant and made their dominance tell.

bodie i said this a couple of weeks back about tramore they are a disgrace . yet again today totally outclassed and all they did was try kick lumps out of the hall then when the slightest challenge on them there shouting at the ref to give him a yellow or red which i think no player should do . weel enjoy yer year in msl premier because ye going straight back down haha

Fermoy 1-1 Castleview.

Tough game today and both teams will be happy with the point. One great header from Fermoy saved brilliantly by the keeper was all that happened in the first half. View took the lead with 6 left. Free kick into the box was flicked on and a free man at the back stick took it down and buried it well. Their only shot on goal all day. Fermoy went straight down the other end and scored. Left back whipped in a great ball that was controlled and finshed superbly by Alan Mccormack.

Game dominated by the two big centre backs and a general chess game in midfield which neither team won or lost.

totally agree with you skinny this is only a few weeks into the season and this crap is going on every week with tramore.msl premier is no place for this stuff. its the kind of carry on you see in aul 3rd division. crazy to see this with good teams like kinsale and leeside not able to come into the league and a team with no interest in playing soccer playing in this division.saw avondale the other night great win and i gotta agree with nutter that ray leary was the best player on the field, hes getting better by the year

does anybody have the squad for that or players from there club who were named

Rockmount :b o connell,howie, alan king,darren o riordan, christopher butts,steven montengormy
avondale : Mark o sullivan
mayfield :albert puccechello ,david kiely
douglas hall :kevin mulcahy,deccie o connel mark murphy brian wilkinson,graeme mc carthy and derek varian
st marys :jp o sullivan,anthony o callaghan
blarney:ken coleman ,ray leary.
Castleview:danny buckley
avondale: Mark o sullivan, karl caulfield

by the looks of that team guess the trophy will be staying in leinster
be interesting to see exactly who will travel to donegal

if your deleting my comments about a team(garyduff) who are breaking every rule that there is why is there a point in posting comments,if you look back through previous comments you will see other people are saying the same thing,i have loads of proof.

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Originally Posted by ringmahon4ever

if your deleting my comments about a team(garyduff) who are breaking every rule that there is why is there a point in posting comments,if you look back through previous comments you will see other people are saying the same thing,i have loads of proof.

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I agree that deleting any trace of a comment is bad form. At least modify it and let the person who wrote it know. I saw that comment last night, as a couple more probably did, so deleting it is pointless.

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Originally Posted by ringmahon4ever

if your deleting my comments about a team(garyduff) who are breaking every rule that there is why is there a point in posting comments,if you look back through previous comments you will see other people are saying the same thing,i have loads of proof.

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Send me on your proof and we can make a call as to whether your comments can be published on this public internet forum.

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Originally Posted by champagne

I agree that deleting any trace of a comment is bad form. At least modify it and let the person who wrote it know. I saw that comment last night, as a couple more probably did, so deleting it is pointless.

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exactly..if were not allowed say stuff why bother when the whole of cork soccer knows how bad they are with players and breaking every rule thats been there

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Originally Posted by ringmahon4ever

exactly..if were not allowed say stuff why bother when the whole of cork soccer knows how bad they are with players and breaking every rule thats been there

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I agree with Ringmahon4ever. People should be made aware of what they are up to as they were caught on numerous occasions last year but the MSL turned a blind eye and thats no lie.

There's no place in the MSL for that carry on and if a post on this forum can alert people of the goings on in that club then so be it.

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Originally Posted by AvondaleNutter

I agree with Ringmahon4ever. People should be made aware of what they are up to as they were caught on numerous occasions last year but the MSL turned a blind eye and thats no lie.

There's no place in the MSL for that carry on and if a post on this forum can alert people of the goings on in that club then so be it.

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il second that motion :) :)

well i player msl soccer and i like many other players was approached by norman pratt garyduff chairman asking to sign for them and in return i would get €50-100 a week free football tickets and after countless phone call and avoidance of mr pratt it was reported to the msl and what was done huh typical msl cowards

Relishing going to watch D.Hall v's Avondale. Two good footballing teams. I fancy Hall to take the points and mount a serious challenge this year. They are always fancied at start of every season and die away but this season they seem to have a serious confidence about them. I predict 2-1. Big opportunity to go ahead of Rockmount as their game with mayfield is off.

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Originally Posted by skinny11

well i player msl soccer and i like many other players was approached by norman pratt garyduff chairman asking to sign for them and in return i would get €50-100 a week free football tickets and after countless phone call and avoidance of mr pratt it was reported to the msl and what was done huh typical msl cowards

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Looks like Garryduff have been beaten again today so the recruitment tactics aren't working very well.:D

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Originally Posted by Sparky

Relishing going to watch D.Hall v's Avondale. I predict 2-1.

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Ok Sparky, what is going to win the 2.30 at Kempton next Saturday.....?? Spot on.

Kevin Mul scored both for the 'Hall, Spratty had equalised in between for Avondale.
Big win, will do confidence a world of good.