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23/10/2008, 2:46 PM
mypost

Sulking Eurocrats: :rolleyes:

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...-14014197.html
23/10/2008, 5:10 PM
OneRedArmy

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Originally Posted by mypost

Sulking Eurocrats: :rolleyes:

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...-14014197.html

What nationality was the "Eurocrat" in question who was quoted?
23/10/2008, 5:30 PM
mypost

It wasn't just her at it.
23/10/2008, 7:06 PM
OneRedArmy

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Originally Posted by mypost

It wasn't just her at it.

"At" what? What is wrong with what she said? She's Irish, so she can hardly be accused on being anti-Irish.

P.S. Whats a Eurocrat?
Does that make our civil servants Ireocrats, or possibly Eirocrats?
Sounds like a type of fruit to me...
23/10/2008, 9:39 PM
Student Mullet

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

P.S. Whats a Eurocrat?

I think it's a portmanteau of the words 'Europe' and 'bureaucrat'.
24/10/2008, 4:33 AM
mypost

Sean Whelan reports more sulking:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...715116373.html

We want everything yesterday, but there are sometimes when you have to accept that certain policies aren't going to work. Our government have just discovered that with their sham budget.

If you're going to govern the people that you represent, you must do what they, not you, want. The Constitution has been rejected by 3 states, and would be rejected by many more. That should demonstrate that the conjob document is a bad deal for Europe, and must not make it past our electorate, whatever the consequences for this country.
25/10/2008, 6:09 AM
mypost

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

"At" what? What is wrong with what she said? She's Irish, so she can hardly be accused on being anti-Irish.

This pretty much explains what's wrong with it.

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Originally Posted by indo

WE should be very scared of the likes of Catherine Day, the Secretary-General of the European Commission.

While commenting on her view that other members of the EU view us as the "troublesome Irish", she assures us that the damage is not beyond repair so long as we can "ratify in a reasonable time" (Irish Independent, October 23).

No mention of the right to vote as we wish, no mention of any respect for the result of the vote, and just a dismissive implication that we are crazy if we think it is going to make a difference.

Does this woman have any understanding of democracy, apart from the EU concept that it is something they freely talk about but never allow to get in the way of their diktats?

She should be ashamed. Nothing less. Ashamed.

She should also know that the Irish people will not be cowed into submission by her brand of scaremongering. Her time would be much better spent in explaining why Ireland is the only EU member to have voted on Lisbon. And why the rejected Constitution was rehashed as the Treaty of Lisbon in the first place.
03/11/2008, 8:21 PM
mypost

News from Prague:

http://aktualne.centrum.cz/czechnews...html?id=620860
11/11/2008, 12:04 PM
mypost

Ciaran Cuffe is bored. :rolleyes:

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/1111/klausv.html
12/11/2008, 10:22 AM
OneRedArmy

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Originally Posted by mypost

Ciaran Cuffe is bored. :rolleyes:

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/1111/klausv.html

I see Declan Ganley was having dinner with yer man last night.

Surprised to see a self-professed "Pro-EU" person like Ganley dining with a noted Euro-sceptic.

Could draw the conclusion that Ganley is just a British Tory in disguise and we bought his guff hook, line and sinker....
12/11/2008, 10:35 AM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Could draw the conclusion that Ganley is just a British Tory in disguise and we bought his guff hook, line and sinker....

Thats if you gove his capmpaign credit for the no vote. I despise ganley but voted no, and the fact he claims my vote abhors me
12/11/2008, 10:38 AM
Macy

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Could draw the conclusion that Ganley is just a British Tory in disguise and we bought his guff hook, line and sinker....

Ganley/ Libertas were only one part of the no vote, whatever spin is put on it.
12/11/2008, 11:05 AM
OneRedArmy

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Originally Posted by Macy

Ganley/ Libertas were only one part of the no vote, whatever spin is put on it.

Oh yeah, I forgot about the others who fought on a platform that your children would be either be conscripted or forced to have an abortion, all whilst paying higher taxes........
12/11/2008, 11:08 AM
Macy

Did you miss the Trade Unions and some of the left wing parties saying they wouldn't support it because we didn't have enough workers protections in place to counteract measures in the Treaty?
12/11/2008, 11:12 AM
OneRedArmy

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Originally Posted by Macy

Did you miss the Trade Unions and some of the left wing parties saying they wouldn't support it because we didn't have enough workers protections in place to counteract measures in the Treaty?

I take your point and my response was slightly in jest, but its hard to argue that Ganley made the biggest impact in the campaign and undoubtedly swung the vote.
12/11/2008, 11:16 AM
Macy

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

I take your point and my response was slightly in jest, but its hard to argue that Ganley made the biggest impact in the campaign and undoubtedly swung the vote.

I think, given the amount of coverage post Lisbon, he appealed to a certain demographic (middle and upper class) that make up the media. Same people who think the PD's "broke the mould".
12/11/2008, 11:19 AM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

I take your point and my response was slightly in jest, but its hard to argue that Ganley made the biggest impact in the campaign and undoubtedly swung the vote.

Was the vote there to be swung?
12/11/2008, 1:00 PM
OneRedArmy

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Was the vote there to be swung?

Based on tracking polls, yes.

There's no doubt the vote did swing in the 6 months leading up to the referendum, what caused it is somewhat up for debate.
12/11/2008, 1:00 PM
mypost

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

I see Declan Ganley was having dinner with yer man last night.

Ganley went to visit Klaus in July, and Klaus was returning the compliment. They're both entitled to have dinner with whoever they like.

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Could draw the conclusion that Ganley is just a British Tory in disguise and we bought his guff hook, line and sinker....

Rubbish.

Ganley was once a supporter of FF, and voted Yes to both Nice refs. I don't agree that he "swung the vote". When the ref was on the horizon, people opened their eyes to the future they were faced with, and voted correctly.

I don't agree with all of Ganley's views on the EU, e.g. while he is in favour of an EU President, I am bitterly opposed to it. He holds genuine concerns on the level of democratic accountabilty in the EU, as I do, and that's his main reasons for his fight against the EU Constitution.
12/11/2008, 2:11 PM
OneRedArmy

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Originally Posted by mypost

When the ref was on the horizon, people opened their eyes to the future they were faced with, and voted correctly.

Absolute ******** and confirmed as such in multiple polls since.

Leave aside whether the result was a good thing or not, a significant percentage of the population didn't understand what they were voting on.

Put it this way, if they did understand what they were voting on then a second referendum should hold no fear for the No camp, it would surely only reinforce the decision. Why in that case are you arguing vehemently against a second vote? Fear that the main parties will get their act together and sell it better this time?

Secondly, you're a Euro-sceptic. Your posts are not just anti-Lisbon, they are anti-EU, yet you won't even admit this.

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