Next Senior Men's Team Manager - Runners and Riders

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Originally Posted by CSAD

Ngl I used to be very pro Carsley but the more time I've spent thinking about it the more I start doubting him as an appointment. He's done well in his roles so far but if we are being honest he'd be in a similar category as Kenny & O'Shea in terms of 1st team managerial experience.

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Kenny was not similar to O'Shea in terms of experience. We can rightly say now that Kenny wasnt good enough at a higher level of management that what he had done previously, but he was a professional football manager. He had won League championships and competed with his team in european competition.

O'Shea has just completed his 4 games of professional football management ever. Even Carsley is not the same by a long stretch. The team that Carsley manages is full of Premiership footballers. He has taken them to an international competition and won. Its not like its a team of u16 kids.

As for thinking Carsley still may take the job, that ship has long sailed.... Although I do hope Im as wrong about that as I was convinced he was taking it! :D

Dave McMillan doesn't think O'Shea is the right man for the job. Sounds like he's been reading this thread

https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2024...e-pr-disaster/

Seems that Willy might not be our man either....

https://x.com/nathanmurf/status/1802747276869165070

Don't care either way but c'mon FFS what's he going to say in that situation...

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Dave McMillan doesn't think O'Shea is the right man for the job. Sounds like he's been reading this thread

https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2024...e-pr-disaster/

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Wont be getting much airtime after this...he didnt get the memo about being pro O'Shea!

But every word he says is 100% true, you can see the difference between McMillan saying what he thinks and the other clowns clearly reading from a script....is what David says actually makes sense.

In regards the the PR, its feels like all this suspicious support for O'Shea feels very fake and almost like work is being done behind the scene to try build support O'Shea so the FAI can pretend it's someone they wanted and the he's a "popular choice" when anyone with half a brain know's it's complete ********.

I'm starting to feel bad for whoever this woman is who is doing commentary on SKY next to Roy...my goodness

She looks like she knows she is tanking too

82 days until a competitive game... That's 82 of 294 days between competitive games...

And 82 of 330 days since the home loss to Greece, which was the final nail in the coffin and if the the search hadn't began by then, then that was the time to start the search...

Right now it really feels like a) it's gonna be John O'Shea permanently or b) it's gonna still be an interim manager named John O'Shea or c) they have a handshake deal in place for Sagnol (maybe a racist?) – and the fact Georgia qualified meant it was delayed till post Euros

Maybe they're hoping someone like Sylvinho becomes available after the Euros. Saying that, his wages are at the limit of our budget and his backroom team exceed our budget. So if Albania have an anyway successful Euros then he's surely out of our league, both in terms of budget and in terms of alternative desirable jobs. And that's the basic dynamic, anyone who does well enough to make themselves a good candidate at the euros almost immediately becomes out of range. Maybe if Scotland or whoever get tonked and lose all their games, their manager suffers enough of a reputational hit that they become candidates - but if a manager is so outclassed at an international stage, then do we even want them?

What was the alleged shortlist?

Sagnol: failed at Bordeaux. Georgia job consists of 4th of 5 in WC Qualification and Euros qualification. They won their nation's league C group, featuring Bulgaria, Macedonia and Gibraltar, which got them a playoff first home against Luxembourg, then home against Greece where they won on penalties. They have a generational talent in kvaratskhelia who won Serie A's 'MVP' in 2023 and PSG are willing to pay €80m to make him Mbappe's replacement. So I wouldn't class it as a success yet really, depends how they do in the euros. That's aside from the issues around whether he's racist...

JOS: failed the audition twice, no senior managerial experience

Hudson: failed in the conference, winning only 1 of 12 games with Newport in his first start to a season, where Newport were expected to challenge for promotion. Most recently managed 3 games for Qatari team Al-Markhiya before "leaving his position as manager by mutual consent"

Hughton: Ghana was a bit of a disaster. Forest was a bit of a disaster. Been 5 years since Brighton.

Bilic: Currently managing in Saudi, last successful job was probably when he got West Brom promoted in 19/20, was probably also fairly harshly sacked. Since then, tough spell in China and as you'd expect, a short-lived spell at Watford. Loses points for managing in Saudi, gains points for encouraging Declan Rice to play for Ireland...

It's both an uninspired list and a list that has largely been available for the duration of the search. Considering the average managerial job in football lasts just 16 months, you'd expect some new and exciting names to appear over the course of the 248 days that have passed

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Originally Posted by Crosby87

Don't care either way but c'mon FFS what's he going to say in that situation...

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I'm starting to think it wont be him either but as you said what else do you expect him to say especially on the eve of Georgia kicking off the Euros...interesting to mention that he never ruled it out or denied being contact, some might consider that a "come get me" sort of statement. The fact he hasn't extended his contract yet for me is quite telling for someone who say's they'll be staying with the association "for years". Now of course he might just re-sign with Georgia in a few weeks but I've learned from experience judge someone based on their actions rather than their words.


Different sport but I always remember Eddie Jones saying "my future is with Australia" during the RWC after rumours circulated about him taking over Japan...and then mysteriously in no time at all after the RWC he ends up being the Japan head coach after all...

Oh Golly there's a ton of examples for sure.

Coaches swearing they are staying, yelling at press, and they have already secretly negotiated deals..Nick Saban did it with the Dolphins, Bobby Petrino couldn't be more adamant he was staying with the Falcons, then the next day left notes in their lockers and split at 6 am

Yeah, it was actually fairly ridiculous even asking the question. But, if he felt he had to ask, once he got the textbook answer it was barely worth mentioning further, never mind knocking a news story out if it.

Don't worry the Peterborough United chairman is gonna save Irish football. His master plan will likely be hire Darren Ferguson, sack him after awhile and then rehire him when things aren't going smooth.

And then repeat that process three or four times hoping it works. Must have sacked and rehired him at Peterborough about four times now.

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Originally Posted by JR89

Must have sacked and rehired him at Peterborough about four times now.

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It is four yes. And the appointments in between were fairly calamitous. Beyond that there's his having to get investors on board because he's not as financially buoyant as he was, having a massive scrap with one of them which is very costly and has led to some very high interest loans which are leading to money having to be moved around on Companies House. And there's the land around the city centre stadium turning into flats, thus on site expansion of the stadium is now not possible & the nearby replacement stadium plans mired in zero progress for years despite all the usual fancy miniature stadium replicas he puts in the papers, the decision makers on planning haven't budged. They want a university facility there which is probably fair enough.

So yeah, there's Darragh.

MacAnthony is a clown but he's not wrong. There are several teams in the Euro's who we are better than on paper. Romania are one of them and have shown what's possible in international football for a well organised bunch of mediocre players. Not just today but by getting to the finals going unbeaten in qualification.

Amadans like MacAnthony are going to keep doing this until a serious manager is appointed.

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Originally Posted by backstothewall

Amadans like MacAnthony are going to keep doing this until a serious manager is appointed.

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Yeah, the vacuum is as much bother as the problem causing the vacuum. You have McClean trying to rewrite his role in recent years & engineer a recall as well. If anyone anywhere should happy with 100 caps it's that fella.

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Originally Posted by CSAD

Wont be getting much airtime after this...he didnt get the memo about being pro O'Shea!

But every word he says is 100% true, you can see the difference between McMillan saying what he thinks and the other clowns clearly reading from a script....is what David says actually makes sense.

In regards the the PR, its feels like all this suspicious support for O'Shea feels very fake and almost like work is being done behind the scene to try build support O'Shea so the FAI can pretend it's someone they wanted and the he's a "popular choice" when anyone with half a brain know's it's complete ********.

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Again, your conspiracy theory lacks credibility and damages the otherwise reasonable case against appointing O'Shea. Why would journalists/panelists jeopardise their careers/credibility with such a stunt? Maybe they think O'Shea will do a good job.

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Originally Posted by Snapshot

Again, your conspiracy theory is nonsense and damages the otherwise reasonable case against appointing O'Shea. Why would journalists/panelists jeopardise their careers/credibility with such a stunt? Maybe, just maybe, they think O'Shea will do a good job.

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You tell me then, this is a manager with no managerial experience, was part of the Kenny backroom staff last year when Ireland lost every game as far as im concerned (no matter how bad we were realistically we weren't losing to Gibraltar) and so far hasn't set the team up much differently to Kenny and yet the panel is full of support for him despite lambasting Kenny previously...

Again lets look at the evidence presented, what evidence on show would suggest he's going to do a good job? Even the people backing him cant bring themselves to praise his management, they simply just praise his personality which says it all. And not only that the extent of which they go out to defend him despite all the evidence is so desperate that I fail to believe there is no some sort of altered motive in play. Maybe its reading from a script or maybe they are backing a mate, either is possible, but I refuse to believe they are backing him because they legitimately think he's the best option as it seems very left field especially when you consider what they thought of Stephen Kenny.

It's worth noting McMillian is the only person on one of these shows that wasn't part of the RTE panel or a former team mate of O'Shea and yet he was the only one who backed against him...funny that.

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

Kenny was not similar to O'Shea in terms of experience. We can rightly say now that Kenny wasnt good enough at a higher level of management that what he had done previously, but he was a professional football manager. He had won League championships and competed with his team in european competition.

O'Shea has just completed his 4 games of professional football management ever. Even Carsley is not the same by a long stretch. The team that Carsley manages is full of Premiership footballers. He has taken them to an international competition and won. Its not like its a team of u16 kids.

As for thinking Carsley still may take the job, that ship has long sailed.... Although I do hope Im as wrong about that as I was convinced he was taking it! :D

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Carsley also has experience on the senior side of things - in 2012 he was First team coach at Coventry before taking over as caretaker manager for 6 games. Later the same season he again took over as caretaker for another five games after Mark Robins left the club. In 2015 he was in charge of Brentford for 10 games. in 2017 he was caretaker at Birmingham for 3 games before becoming Steve Cotterill's assistant manager. Even without the England U21 job, Carsley has far more experience as a coach.

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

Seems that Willy might not be our man either....

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Good - Georgia can keep the racist

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Originally Posted by Jolly Red Giant

Carsley also has experience on the senior side of things - in 2012 he was First team coach at Coventry before taking over as caretaker manager for 6 games. Later the same season he again took over as caretaker for another five games after Mark Robins left the club. In 2015 he was in charge of Brentford for 10 games. in 2017 he was caretaker at Birmingham for 3 games before becoming Steve Cotterill's assistant manager. Even without the England U21 job, Carsley has far more experience as a coach.

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Ngl none of that is any better than Kenny's experience, lets not forget Kenny managed in Europe competing not only in the Europa league but also against sides like BATE & Legia Warsaw...if you are hiring Carsley you're hiring almost entirely based on his experience with the English U21's and while he's done great with them ultimately its different managing kids to managing adults and it's questionable that he would be able to make the step up for Ireland. He could be a revelation of course but people who think if he gets hired he'll automatically be a massive improvement on Kenny might want to keep expectations in order, he could very well be but there's also a chance he could just be as bad as ultimately based on his CV this is an appointment with an element of risk attached to it based on the points made here.

Lads we have to hire Steve Bruce see below he's perfect for us!!!

"while manager of Huddersfield, he
wrote a trio of novels: Striker!, Sweeper! and Defender!. The books centred on fictional football manager Steve Barnes, based on Bruce, who solved murder mysteries and thwarted terrorists"

He is our guy!!

Reviewed here - it's glorious. (The review, that is)

https://www.balls.ie/football/steve-bruce-novel-293169

That said, it starts off with an Irish striker being fatally stabbed in the back. I'm not sure that's who we want in charge...

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Originally Posted by CSAD

You tell me then, this is a manager with no managerial experience, was part of the Kenny backroom staff last year when Ireland lost every game as far as im concerned (no matter how bad we were realistically we weren't losing to Gibraltar) and so far hasn't set the team up much differently to Kenny and yet the panel is full of support for him despite lambasting Kenny previously...

Again lets look at the evidence presented, what evidence on show would suggest he's going to do a good job? Even the people backing him cant bring themselves to praise his management, they simply just praise his personality which says it all. And not only that the extent of which they go out to defend him despite all the evidence is so desperate that I fail to believe there is no some sort of altered motive in play. Maybe its reading from a script or maybe they are backing a mate, either is possible, but I refuse to believe they are backing him because they legitimately think he's the best option as it seems very left field especially when you consider what they thought of Stephen Kenny.

It's worth noting McMillian is the only person on one of these shows that wasn't part of the RTE panel or a former team mate of O'Shea and yet he was the only one who backed against him...funny that.

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The conspiracy theory is rubbish. The Kenny era was a wrecking ball from potty romanticism to downright incompetence. O'Shea was last through the backroom’s revolving door. To taint him with the full body of the Kenny failure is unfair. The horse had well and truly bolted. If anything, the Kenny/Andrews losers' environment must have been a rude wake-up call.


I've never considered him a standout candidate, but he doesn't deserve the flak cast by those who so aggressively demanded more time for Kenny.

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Originally Posted by CSAD

Ngl none of that is any better than Kenny's experience, lets not forget Kenny managed in Europe competing not only in the Europa league but also against sides like BATE & Legia Warsaw...if you are hiring Carsley you're hiring almost entirely based on his experience with the English U21's and while he's done great with them ultimately its different managing kids to managing adults and it's questionable that he would be able to make the step up for Ireland. He could be a revelation of course but people who think if he gets hired he'll automatically be a massive improvement on Kenny might want to keep expectations in order, he could very well be but there's also a chance he could just be as bad as ultimately based on his CV this is an appointment with an element of risk attached to it based on the points made here.

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Carsley probably manages more 1st team Premiership footballers with the England U21s than he would with the senior Ireland job. Its not kids he is managing. Its a moot point anyway, since he is not taking the Ireland job, but he would have been well qualified for it.

Any appointment has a large element of risk to it. Which is why O'Shea should be ruled out immediately. IF we had appointed Carsley on a 4 year contract and the first 4 games looked like O'Sheas trial run we'd all be panicking. Those 4 games give us a snapshot of what his tenue would look like and only an idiot who hasnt a clue about football or someone with an agenda would continue to defend his claim for the job.

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Originally Posted by CSAD

Ngl none of that is any better than Kenny's experience, lets not forget Kenny managed in Europe competing not only in the Europa league but also against sides like BATE & Legia Warsaw...if you are hiring Carsley you're hiring almost entirely based on his experience with the English U21's and while he's done great with them ultimately its different managing kids to managing adults and it's questionable that he would be able to make the step up for Ireland. He could be a revelation of course but people who think if he gets hired he'll automatically be a massive improvement on Kenny might want to keep expectations in order, he could very well be but there's also a chance he could just be as bad as ultimately based on his CV this is an appointment with an element of risk attached to it based on the points made here.

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Carsley was extremely highly thought of at Brentford, only turning down the offer to be permanent manager for (legitimate) family reasons.

And Brentford's record in appointing managers, often from "left field", is first class. The south would be lucky to get him.

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Originally Posted by EalingGreen

Carsley was extremely highly thought of at Brentford, only turning down the offer to be permanent manager for (legitimate) family reasons.

And Brentford's record in appointing managers, often from "left field", is first class. The south would be lucky to get him.

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The South? Can't see him manage the 6 counties of Munster

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Originally Posted by elatedscum

The South? Can't see him manage the 6 counties of Munster

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Nah, you must know them - live next door to the north.

Officially the name of our country is Ireland, not the rep of Ireland.

Is there a officially a nationality of northern Irish. Or are you Irish or British.. of course you can recognise as all three etc but officially? I'm not sure. Anyone?

That Turkiye/Georgia half was one of the most entertaining in recent memory

Oh for Ireland to make a tournament and play with a little moxie

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Originally Posted by EalingGreen

Carsley was extremely highly thought of at Brentford, only turning down the offer to be permanent manager for (legitimate) family reasons.

And Brentford's record in appointing managers, often from "left field", is first class. The south would be lucky to get him.

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He is a good manager I agree and could end up being a great appointment for Ireland. But let's be real, we are rating him based on hypothetical possibilities and work he's done at underage level. The key word there is "could", all the reasons why he might be a great appointment are there but the key overall fact is he has very little experience in senior management outside of work as an assistant. It would hopefully workout but we cant deny there would be a degree of risk involved in the appointment and more of one than a lot of people seem to believe.

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

Carsley probably manages more 1st team Premiership footballers with the England U21s than he would with the senior Ireland job. Its not kids he is managing. Its a moot point anyway, since he is not taking the Ireland job, but he would have been well qualified for it.

Any appointment has a large element of risk to it. Which is why O'Shea should be ruled out immediately. IF we had appointed Carsley on a 4 year contract and the first 4 games looked like O'Sheas trial run we'd all be panicking. Those 4 games give us a snapshot of what his tenue would look like and only an idiot who hasnt a clue about football or someone with an agenda would continue to defend his claim for the job.

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And those England u21 players are no older than 23 years old...it's not the same as managing a senior team. He would be qualified ofcourse but I'm not convinced he would be the dream appoint that some deem, most on here seem to think anyone that works in the English FA is a god so I think its a common misconception though.

Well O'Shea is no risk, its either be just as bad as we are now or be even worse...the issue I have with the Carley appointment is after the last 2 managers we've had if we have another relatively inexperienced manager (by international management standards) come in and things dont improve then the pressure could come on very quickly.

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Originally Posted by CSAD

And those England u21 players are no older than 23 years old...it's not the same as managing a senior team. He would be qualified ofcourse but I'm not convinced he would be the dream appoint that some deem, most on here seem to think anyone that works in the English FA is a god so I think its a common misconception though.

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Dont know where you are getting that from. No one on here would even think of Canham as capable never mind a God, and the same with Hill before him.

John O'Shea has written on Instagram where he says "Looking forward to the next Chapter" at the end of post thanking staff and players.

Do we think hes been told its not his?

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Originally Posted by CSAD

I'm not convinced he would be the dream appoint that some deem, most on here seem to think anyone that works in the English FA is a god so I think its a common misconception though.

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Who thinks Carsley would be a dream appointment? Far as I can see most people view his as a former Irish international having a bit of success in management - those people are very rare and are always going to be interesting/favoured candidates.

I don't think anyone thinks "anyone that works in the English FA is a god" either.

Or maybe you can point to a couple of posts that back your views up?

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Who thinks Carsley would be a dream appointment? Far as I can see most people view his as a former Irish international having a bit of success in management - those people are very rare and are always going to be interesting/favoured candidates.

I don't think anyone thinks "anyone that works in the English FA is a god" either.

Or maybe you can point to a couple of posts that back your views up?

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Nice bit of Parsley adds a bit of flavour !

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Originally Posted by Diggs246

Officially the name of our country is Ireland, not the rep of Ireland.

Is there a officially a nationality of northern Irish. Or are you Irish or British.. of course you can recognise as all three etc but officially? I'm not sure. Anyone?

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Don't feed the troll.

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

John O'Shea has written on Instagram where he says "Looking forward to the next Chapter" at the end of post thanking staff and players.

Do we think hes been told its not his?

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Just as likely he's halfway through Steve Bruce's under-appreciated trilogy of whodunnits.

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Originally Posted by Eminence Grise

Just as likely he's halfway through Steve Bruce's under-appreciated trilogy of whodunnits.

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Was it a dodgy referee that done it ? !

Paul Butler did it!

Ahh here folks. Official names? Would ye ever wind yer necks in?

Do you refer to the Hellenic Republic or the Kingdom or the Netherlands in normal conversation? Colloquially Northern Ireland/the Occupied 6 Counties are refered to as the north and Poblacht na hÉireann/the Irish Free State is the south.

I thought us Nordies were supposed to be the specialists in manufactured grievances. I think we all know whats meant when someone says the north are away to Greece and the south are playing Holland at Lansdowne Road.

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

Those 4 games give us a snapshot of what his tenue would look like and only an idiot who hasnt a clue about football or someone with an agenda would continue to defend his claim for the job.

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Maybe you're right. You've had your little dig, now let's move on. I salute your passion for Ireland and football. It's what makes us travellers on the same train. But it's a journey I'll take less often - so best of luck into the future with whoever, whenever, whatever.