I heard someone during the game describe a particular misplaced pass as 'f***ing b*******t' but I had assumed it was a fan...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fixer82
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I heard someone during the game describe a particular misplaced pass as 'f***ing b*******t' but I had assumed it was a fan...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fixer82
must be itQuote:
Originally Posted by geysir
I actually place a lot of the blame for our midfield failures on Roy. No doubt this is a bad batch of Irish midfielders, but Roy of all people should have been advocating strongly for O'Neill to select a proper defensive/holding midfielder like a Shaun Williams. It is better to play a more limited defensive midfielder in his proper position than to play a superior technician or attacking player like Hourihane or Hendrick in that defensive role. I actually like Hourihane and Hendrick but feel they were played completely out of position.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fixer82
I don’t think that it’s a particularly bad batch of midfielders. I just think it’s missing someone who grabs the game by the scruff of the next, missing a “leettle personaliteee” as a previous manager was fond of saying.
As you point out, our midfielders have not been used effectively, as part of a system nor in their best positions by the previous administration. That’s the biggest issue I can see. The players themselves are decent players with potential to be better.
Keane was supportive on the touch line the other night! You could hear him shouting “well done Cyrus” numerous times. Unless he was being sarcastic?!
Both are possible to be honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
I thought he was screeching “worse than Cyprus” :D ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
So either he's an aggressive bully from the sidelines, or his judgement is seriously questionable. It doesn't reflect well on Keane either way!
Exactly. I was thinking that if anyone can understand what a midfield needs to be functional it's Keane. Instead he seems to have proved another theory of mine, that people who found playing the game easy never understand it quite as well as those who had to really figure it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by irishfan86
I wonder what managerial team interaction could possibly explain and justify the anarchy of the Cyrus midfield role?
Threading on dangerous ground here but .....Both Paul McGrath and Mark Lawrenson played in midfield for Ireland . Ok Cyrus Christie is no Paul McGrath or Mark Lawrenson . What I am saying is that perhaps M’ON / Roy Keane wanted to bring a bit of physical presence / defence / athletic-ism to the midfield . We are really lacking a mobile defensive good midfielder .Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Only Playing Devils Advocate !
Understatement of the century!Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
But they are not as good as him now . They are way too old;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid
Maybe he did. We don't really know.Quote:
Originally Posted by irishfan86
As for being abrasive on the sideline, so what? It's not under 12's.
agree with the thinking behind this. Christie was our most mobile ctre mid in the last few matches but his playing there was an easy stick to hit MON with. he outshone some of our regular ctre mids when playing thereQuote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
O'Neill specifically cited his mobility as a factor, given the Aviva pitch is very long. I think Christie did well enough but his first touch and ability to protect the ball when receiving it weren't up to the standard necessary for a CM. A full back doesn't need the same skill as he'll almost always be facing play when he gets the ball. Christie got shown up as a round peg in a square hole and only really outshone anyone because pretty much everyone else played badly, not least because some - especially in the middle - were given inappropriate roles. For the life of me I don't see how O'Neill failed to noticed that we used the ball better between defence and attack when Shaun Williams was playing. This was just glaringly obvious to me. As was Stevens' comfort in the LWB position over McClean's. MON's judgment was found seriously wanting at times.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
Absolutely.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
Keane getting too much criticism for team selection when it wasn’t his job and we don’t know what input he had.
He deserves more criticism for the rows and falling out with players.
Interesting interview with Carlos Edwards here about Keane
https://youtu.be/GzoDU-IOqHw
The ex-managers club is full of top class players who proved useless at getting other players to do what they themselves had been able to do effortlessly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
It's funny sometimes to listen to ex-players in a punditry job, and hear just how much utter rubbish they talk. I sometimes end up wondering how they ever managed to play the game at such a level for so long, because if seems like they have no insight into it at all.
I remember watching Duff as a pundit on the Juve-Spurs CL game, and commenting on a penalty, he said something like "It's not deliberate, but it's bad defending, and you have to punish it. Penalty." I remember thinking to myself...Is that actually what you think? Is that what you've thought all they way through your career?
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Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
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I'd say McCarthy, currently propping up the Championships would see it as an attractive proposition.
Grammatically corrected but not factually corrected, I was not aware McCarthy had departed or at least if I was I forgot, I can't remember which is the case.
But it is a plus point that I was wrong. (a plus point for McCarty, not for me personally).
What was wrong with what Duff said? Bad defending leads to foul in the penalty area = penalty?Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
I would not have though so, the new manager was fired in October. Mick planned to leave that year so I guess he had little incentive to build for next season, but I think some players were brought in and none soldQuote:
Originally Posted by peadar1987
The new manager has had little impact on their poor form.
I looks hard to blame Mick really but....
https://www.thesackrace.com/news/27t...rent-struggles
more on link i dont want to copy it allQuote:
Why Mick McCarthy is to blame for Ipswich Town’s current struggles
To most outside IP1, the accepted theory is that Ipswich Town’s early-season blues are down to the exit of Mick McCarthy.
The Yorkshireman maximized a limited squad and Paul Hurst, who has this week lost his job as Tractor Boys boss with just one win to his name, was unable to match his predecessor’s ability to perform on a low budget.
Of course, the off-field issues do not help any Ipswich Manager.
The club are continuously selling key assets and not spending anything like the same amount of money on their replacements.
And yet, that is also the case for Swansea, Bristol City, Brentford and – forgive me Ipswich fans – Norwich.
Those four clubs had been challenging in the top half under Graham Potter, Lee Johnson, Dean Smith and Daniel Farke – even if Smith left the Bees recently.
What those four head coaches have done is trust in young players and, over a long period, introduce a modern brand of football that fans can buy into.
This is what McCarthy has failed to do...
Firstly, he generally favoured experienced performers.
Eight Ipswich players made more than 35 appearances last season and of them, only Jonas Knudsen and Grant Ward were under 28; one could ask the question as to whether Knudsen or Ward have the potential to improve beyond the level they are currently at.
Old players tend to be cheaper in the short-term, they are often more vocal in the changing rooms and can be more predictable in terms of performance levels.
It is understandable, in some ways, that a manager without much spending power who has the brief of survival looks at this profile of player.
but it make little sense as ..
So if they are trying to go back to what Mick was doing that is credit for Mick, it didn't get them into that mess really they were mid table.Quote:
The dismissal of the 44-year-old and the appointment of Paul Lambert, who tends to favour old, British players in a defensive system, represents an attempt to get back to what they were doing before McCarthy left.
The problem is, what they were doing before McCarthy left is what got them into this mess in the first place.
It was a Spurs penalty claim for handball, not given. I should have explained it in more detail alright.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Only a matter of time before they'll be back winning Champions League with the Two Amigos in charge.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
Various reports saying O'Neill is poised to become the new manager of Nottingham Forest. They had concerns over Kananka's style of play!
Assuming Daniel Taylor is one of MON's cronies in the media? A few thinly-veiled digs at the Ireland squad here: https://www.theguardian.com/football...st-new-manager
I wouldn't even call those thinly veiled.
They're reasonable comments at the same time. He's entitled to defend his record when, on balance, we did probably overachieve in terms of results and group positions.
It will be intriguing to see how this goes. I thought he might try to get John Robertson back on board, seeing as he's also emotionally invested in Forest. I know he's has health issues though. You'd have to fear for him a little if it's Keane, as suggested. Might work for a while maybe!
They are reasonable but they're completely one -sided. Why report on the pending appointment and include strong defence of O'Neill's record? I don't see the point.
I don't think it is one sided. It's a summary of what he has done in his managerial career, good, bad (and perceived good/bad).
I don't see the need for the summary. I think it is one-sided in that it highlights the narrative "Ireland have no players, what do they expect" and little else. It ignores the subbing off of the midfield at home to Denmark and being outplayed by NI's League One players which would be the sticks used to to beat O'Neill by the media. Nobody has been deluded enough to think our squad is good. Yet the article fails to provide context for the O'Neill criticism and there's little balance.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
That's what I think.
His entitlement to defend his record is obvious. This is just a tad *****ly, like a cringworthy Tony O'Donoghue interview for me.
He's a Nottingham Forest fan but not sure if he has much direct contact with him. It's the fellow in the Telegraph who gets spoonfed by him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
Ah. Cheers. That sounds right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
I just hear he has been appointed manager on BBC news.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
I was a bit surprised as the previous manager had just beat top of the table Leeds away from home.
Problem is the are poor at home and get bad results against teams down the bottom end of the table.
Will be interesting to see how it pans out with two former Forest players in charge, probably not as well as expected, but we shall see,
Isn't there an inveterate Nott. Forest fan who is also a member here and has suffered greatly over the years experiencing the rot take root in the Ireland set up under O'Neill and Keane?
If so, I just can''t imagine the despair.
I think you are overestimating the abilities of English football journalists in knowing or remembering the full inside story on what happened against Denmark.
English football fans (& journalists) look at our current side and think ‘how the **** did you beat Germany, Italy etc. Harsh but true’. Get it in the office every time we have a bad result.
Dan Taylor is a good journalist and knows his stuff. Worked the Manchester beat for a number of years.
I'd expect most articles breaking a managerial appointment to include a basic synopsis of the manager's previous jobs. I wouldn't really expect a tactical analysis of specific matches. I agree the article reads favourably from O'Neill's point of view, but then his managerial career has generally been a very successful one. He had a poor record at Sunderland and this was highlighted. He had a mixed spell with us and the different perspectives were highlighted, albeit in a general sense.
Looks like Keane will be his number two again - https://www.independent.ie/sport/soc...-37712188.html
Article is ok but glosses over the scale of the downward trajectory at the end of his time with Ireland.
As Shakermaker suggests, I don't think the scale of that trajectory is anywhere near as obvious from the outside looking in. We lived every painful detail of it, Taylor probably looks at the campaign as a whole and sees some decent/excellent results and a disappointing ending. That does have the effect of glossing over some of the bad stuff, I'm just not sure it's deliberate.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
Anyway, O'Neill confirmed - https://www.nottinghamforest.co.uk/n...ill-appointed/
I'd guess it's more likely that as a Forest fan, he doesn't really want to piss all over their new manager by saying how awful his most recent campaign was, so glossed over it.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean