LOI in Europe 2011

The players can be very proud of their efforts. After 436 minutes of European football Mick O'Neill finally let Rovers attack when he brought on Kilduff for Rice. In the remaining 13 minutes Rovers looked a diiferent side and really had Partizan on the ropes.

I'm not suggesting that he should have gone gung-ho, but it was great to see the change in style at the end. Hopefully they can still be in the games mid-way through the second half next week so they can do the same, though Partizan will be looking for a big win on the night.

I think Partizan will win the second leg comfortably. Rovers will rue those missed chances while they were on top tonight.

Great Result all the Same.

When is Oman back? Murray was exposed at times tonight.

Rovers did well tonight. Bit lucky only to be a goal down in the first half though but unlucky not to score more themselves in the second half. Drogheda United fell just short against Dynamo Kiev years ago with a 2-2 away draw. If Rovers can get a 2-2 draw next week, they'll get over the line. I think they've a chance. I can see them getting a goal. One other then might be needed to nudge through.

Wouldn't worry too much about the missed chances at the end myself - the Partizan away goal would have greatly devalued a second Rovers goal anyway. Going over there 2-1 up could have meant Rovers with their backs to the wall from the start in the second leg - the way it is now might see a cagier, less urgent start to the game, which could suit Rovers, who know they need to score a goal no matter what happens.

Fantastic performance from everyone tonight well done Rovers,

They've nothing to lose. Maybe the pressure being off in that sense might help in a way. Psychologically, it's much more preferable to come back from 1-0 down than to have been 1-0 up and then concede late on, even if Partizan did get an away goal. Tie certainly isn't over by any means just yet.

Also want to say, I thought the referee was great tonight. I thought he should have booked two Partizan players, but other than that he got most things spot on and the one decision he did get (horribly) wrong, he reversed - I assume on the advice of the linesman, which is great to see.

Seen this tweet from the PFAI's solicitor Stuart Gilhooly:

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Another interesting nugget. If Derry qualify for Europe next year, which seems likely, they can't play. 3 yr ban for examinership by UEFA.

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http://twitter.com/#!/DSBAPresident/...98948377841664

Any Derry fans able to confirm that this is true?

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Originally Posted by holidaysong

Seen this tweet from the PFAI's solicitor Stuart Gilhooly:


http://twitter.com/#!/DSBAPresident/...98948377841664

Any Derry fans able to confirm that this is true?

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I found this.


However, regardless of how the season concludes, there is a growing belief that Cork's place in European competition is out of their hands after going into examinership earlier this season, but there is little clarity as to exactly what will happen should they secure the final place.

Cork's case seemed to improve when an FAI source was recently quoted as reportedly saying they would back them with any appeal to UEFA should they be banned, with clubs like Leeds United and Coleraine already banned from European competition for three years after going into administration.

And Eoghan Rice, the league's Communications Executive, threw further light on the subject when he spoke exclusively to RTÉ.ie this week. He confirmed: 'Entering into examinership does not automatically preclude clubs from competing in European competition. UEFA's three-year ban applies only to clubs who are trading as new legal entities.'

That seems to suggest that as long as City do enough to secure a Premier Division licence from the FAI next January, they will be fully entitled to submit their application to compete in the UEFA Cup before the 31 March closing date.

He added: 'Clubs apply to the FAI for licences to compete in European competition. These licences are issued by the FAI in accordance with UEFA-approved regulations.'

This suggests that if Cork have their house in order before the closing date for applications for a Premier Division licence on 31 January, then their participation in the UEFA Cup, should they qualify, will be a formality.

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Originally Posted by holidaysong

Seen this tweet from the PFAI's solicitor Stuart Gilhooly:


http://twitter.com/#!/DSBAPresident/...98948377841664

Any Derry fans able to confirm that this is true?

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Hes a lovely chap so full of integrity and knowledge of his profession. Certainly wasnt him who advised Pats players to an illegal strike.

Anyhoo saints in Europe on a technicality :)

Was Derry's case examinership? Cork I think yes. Derry's was a case of demotion...???

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Originally Posted by Dodge

For historical context, Irish sides have faced Serbian opposition 3 times (all Red Star - twice as Yugoslavian, once as Serbian), losing all 6 games, and yet to score a goal

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I wish I could banish the memory of Denis Behan scoring Red Star's goal at the Cross, but I don't suppose that counts as the Irish team scoring.

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Originally Posted by kdjaC

Anyhoo saints in Europe on a technicality :)

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Was just gonna say that myself!

No need for club suicide this year to get Ye over the line.

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Originally Posted by Mr Maroon

I'd love to be wrong, They'll probably lose both legs IMO.

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

don't look ever like scoring either.

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:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Mr Maroon

Great goal!!

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

great goal.

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:D

a massive well done to shamrock rovers.. I didnt realise that our record against yugoslav teams was ropey over the years but at least that Gary McCabe equaliser and draw puts that bad record to history! I think rovers have a strong chance if he keeps the same team as he ended up tonight..

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Originally Posted by holidaysong

Seen this tweet from the PFAI's solicitor Stuart Gilhooly:


http://twitter.com/#!/DSBAPresident/...98948377841664

Any Derry fans able to confirm that this is true?

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My brother was discussing this with me a few weeks ago and he seemed to think it was the case. He thinks he remembers having read something about it when Derry re-entered the First Division. Also, the team that Shakhter Karagandy replaced to get a place Europe, Lokomotiv Astana, were forbidden from competing in European competition this season due to a similar three-year ban/inability to obtain a UEFA licence. The club only came into existence in 2009.

Hurray for the co efficient!

Woeful start to the game - could have been 3 down within half an hour - but a really strong second half performance when Partizan were threatening to pass Rovers to death. That spell of Rovers pressure after about an hour seemed to knock the wind out of Partizan - they were huffing and puffing, though I thought the window for getting a goal had passed. Haven't seen McCabe's goal on TV yet (heard Brady said it was one of the best he's seen in years) but it looked amazing.

Second leg is still a huge, huge ask but if we can keep it scoreless til half time, anything's possible.

Only one shot on target, but was worth waiting for.

Could have been 3/4-0 down in 20 mins. All over the place, giving the ball away continously, unconvincing clearances, general carnage at the back.

After that, we got a foothold in the game, though technically they were a class above Copenhagen. Thought Twigg had won it at the end, somehow the ball stayed out.

Going to be hard, hot, and hostile out there. The early part of the game could be rough, I think Partizan will look to wrap it up early. If we can come through it, we can give it a go, and then who knows how it'll end up.

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Originally Posted by holidaysong

Seen this tweet from the PFAI's solicitor Stuart Gilhooly:


http://twitter.com/#!/DSBAPresident/...98948377841664

Any Derry fans able to confirm that this is true?

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Originally Posted by legendz

Was Derry's case examinership? Cork I think yes. Derry's was a case of demotion...???

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Cork City will still be able to compete in Europe though. New club and all that. :cool:

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Originally Posted by holidaysong

Seen this tweet from the PFAI's solicitor Stuart Gilhooly:


http://twitter.com/#!/DSBAPresident/...98948377841664

Any Derry fans able to confirm that this is true?

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It wasn't examinership.

We have been told by the F.A.I. that if we finish in a European position the F.A.I. will nominate us to represent the L.O.I.

On a side note, Wellvan's creditors/administrator have recieved almost £350,000 since from the ammon sell-on and now the Mc Clean transfer as it was Wellvan who he was contracted to and he is still under 23 so they have to get the money.

I'm seriously awaiting the usual forumers who will no doubt complain if we do qualify! Baaaaaaaa :)

Look, we will continue to grasp at straws,lave us be CS ;)

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Originally Posted by Candystripe

We have been told by the F.A.I. that if we finish in a European position the F.A.I. will nominate us to represent the L.O.I.

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Surely, that's different from UEFA granting the club a licence to participate though?

Mypost, it didnt look like they would score up until then they did nothing, no incisivness at all. Glad to be wrong that they created 2 chances and took 1.

2-0 or possibly 3-1 away from home though I'm sorry to say. Partizan when needed bar the last 15 looked very comfortable and were more than happy to go home 0-1, and dealt with anything rovers could throw at them more than comfortably.

What I find funny, especially after listening to Michael o'neill continually drive home they don't like getting at them in our style, meaning high balls in to the box, target man, british style football. Thats all well and good but Irish sides are generally dwarves, especially against these Eastern European teams who are generally 6 foot plus guys, with great aerial strenght and technically very good.

The games i have watched of rovers, Mccormack is probably the only one who has cut the mustard against superior opposition. A very tidy player and perhaps greater things on the horizon for him.

When all is said and done, no matter how partizan played, a 1-1 draw is good for the co-efficients, and a great result against a team of the calibre and resources of Partizan. Congratulations to all at Shamrock Rovers.

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

Surely, that's different from UEFA granting the club a licence to participate though?

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Not really, the licenses are issued by FAI on behalf of UEFA

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Originally Posted by Candystripe

It wasn't examinership

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This is typical of Gilhooly. he really doesn't have the knowledge to speaking on these matters

He didn’t even think to see if Derry were in the same jurisdiction?

Great atmosphere in the stadium last night - brought my brother to his first football match featuring an LoI side (hope I don't make him a Shams fan).

MON's tactics in the first half were way off the mark - 4-5-1 that sat way too deep and they were duly punished.

Ryan Thompson seems like a dangerous fool and he probably should be replaced.

Roof lifted when McCabe scored - great goal - he actually played a stormer.

Partizan were a class act. I can't see Shams going through.

Great second half performance from Rovers and while it was a fantastic result you have to think they needed at least one of those two Twigg chances to go in if not both because if the Hoops fans think Tallaght was hostile last night wait till they get over to Serbia they sh1t a brick.

I had a match myself so had the game recorded. I had heard they were losing 1-0 despite my best efforts to avoid the scoreline so I wasn't optimistic when I sat down to watch. The first 20 minutes they seemed to just freeze, the idea was presumably not to waste energy the way they did against Copenhagen but they were so static it was shocking, the failure to track runs left them very lucky not to be 3-0 down by the time they got moving.

Once they recovered from the shell shock it was another really good performance, they were never really expected to get anything out of the game so to fight back so well and to be realistically thinking they could have won it was a tremendous achievement. You can see the inferiority complex slowly leaving the Rovers players the more they play in Eurpoe and there really is a feeling that if they keep winning the league, they'll make that step to the group stages in the next few years. I doubt it'll be this year, Partizan showed enough to suggest they'll be comfortable enough at home, but it's an excellent achievement to have just kept the tie alive.

The goal was something special and it's great to see a goal like that from a League of Ireland side, we all expect the set piece goals and battling spirit but the skill and subtle touches might have opened a few eyes to the ability that's on display in the league every week.

Is the current Derry City not officially a different club to the club that entered examinership? As is the case with Cork, hence the whole Foras Co-op shtuff. That was my understanding at the time.

Anyway, good game last night Rovers unlucky not to score late on but were lucky to only be one down. Fair result.

Decent result and good for the coefficient.

Rovers need to score out there, fair enough. But I much prefer playing the away leg second. Reason been that even if Rovers concede one early the next time, their target remains the same - they will need to score one goal. Ok now one goal would be to tie the game rather than win. But the thing is Rovers score, it cancels Partizans away goal and well away goals from then on can only work in one favour.

Thought it was a tremendous result and, as someone else said, when we so often describe Irish performances in Europe as 'gutsy' 'hard-fought' and 'battling' it was nice to add 'skilful' and 'top class' to the descriptions of the goal. To score in the manner they did against a team like PB is something truly remarkable. When Derry and Pats got to the same stage of the competition, they didn't manage to get a goal, so real congrats in order to Rovers today .

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Originally Posted by thischarmingman

When Derry and Pats got to the same stage of the competition, they didn't manage to get a goal, so real congrats in order to Rovers today .

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We scored against Steaua in the play offs in 2009. Put us 1-0 up in the 2nd leg (lost 1-2)

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Originally Posted by Dodge

We scored against Steaua in the play offs in 2009. Put us 1-0 up in the 2nd leg (lost 1-2)

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I knew I should have gone and checked the list of results further down the forum. Bloody stats eh?

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

Mypost, it didnt look like they would score up until then they did nothing, no incisivness at all. Glad to be wrong that they created 2 chances and took 1.

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I'm sure you've been watching football long enough, to know that it only takes one chance to score a goal, not 20. Glad you were wrong again about us in Europe though. Hope you will be again next week.

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

Mypost, it didnt look like they would score up until then they did nothing, no incisivness at all. Glad to be wrong that they created 2 chances and took 1.

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When you keep the score down, a goal can make a lot of difference. Rovers haven't conceded three yet in the last nine games in Europe..

So no 0-2 deficit after 5 minutes, keepers missing the ball in Ukraine, og's, 4-0 to FC Haka or TNS or Carmarthen..

..or Vaduz. It was only 4-2 then. Tut Tut.

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Originally Posted by dfx-

When you keep the score down, a goal can make a lot of difference. Rovers haven't conceded three yet in the last nine games in Europe..

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And you haven't scored twice in those same 9 games, winning only one of them.

Wouldn't have mentioned it if you hadn't have had a pop with the next sentence ;)

I was wondering who'd be first :D

Yet every goal that has been scored has counted for a draw or winner...which is more difficult when 3-0 down..