its not robbie's fault he was made captain-anyone can see (except stan) that it was a poor choice. richard dunne or shay given were the obvious choices, but no-stan is the man.
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its not robbie's fault he was made captain-anyone can see (except stan) that it was a poor choice. richard dunne or shay given were the obvious choices, but no-stan is the man.
Handing him the captaincy was aimed at getting the best out of Keane. Maybe Stan felt Keane would mature with the honour that went with being the captain and that he'd get some influential performances from him installed as captain.
It's only served to inflate an already over blown ego and has had no influence for the good on the teams performance.
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Originally Posted by fergalr
I'm not defending him here but only trying to reinforce the point. His best game I think was against Croatia at home in 1998 (maybe his 3rd / 4th cap),.That's not today or yesterday. He's been pretty average since. To be fair to him as well he got injured in the Russia game at home in 2003.
Don't know where you are coming from with Robbie being very poor in the game against the Czechs. Even with the glaring goal chance missed, his performance that night was very good, re positioning, attacking angles, distribution, crosses, closing down and tackles made.Quote:
Originally Posted by carloz
Are there questions about his commitment? Do people so easily forget that he turned up for the Albania game and tried to perform.
Its also up to the team and manager to use Robbie. In the few club games that I have seen of him, I think Hodddle understood that best.
Where is the Jamican PM, he wouldn´t stand for this sort of thing.
I didnt think he was great against the Czechs, he wasnt in our top 4 performers on the night. Carsley, McShane and Kelly looked much more impressive that night. I was at that gam and i noticed that he was continously coming out to the left wing. I dont actually have a hatred of the player as it would appear in my recent posts, but i hate a striker that wont stay in his position. This was very evident in Germany where Kevin Doyle must have been getting very ****ed off of being surrounded by German defenders while his strike partner was 25 yards behind him
Whats this about the Albania game.......im sure all the 11 on the pitch tried to perform. that was the game where it took an OG in the last minute to beat them yeah??
It is forgotten, Albania away, turned up to play right after his father's funeral.
The game wasn't that important, should have stayed at home.
Not related to any point you made
What is Robbies defined role? Is he a striker, winger, playmaker, midfielder? If he's a striker then he isn't scoring enough goals, fact! His record with one on ones with goalkeepers is poor, we saw that again Wednesday night. On his day he can be brilliant but all too often he's poor, frustrating to watch and has too much to say.
Having said all that we cannot do without him as the options are not there just right now. However if I was Robbie looking back over the last 4 or 5 seasons, aside from my bulging bank account, I wouldn't be completely happy with how things have gone.
Robbie is our all time top goal scorer that's no argument but I would be interested to know how he would fare if goals scored were weighted i.e 5 points for a goal against the top seed in the group etc etc down to 1 point for a minnow. I would think that the likes of Stapleton and Givens would compare favourably with Robbies record.
To follow on from the last point maybe there is a statistically gifted individual with some time on their hands who could work out a co-efficient and see how strikers/goalscorers compare over the past few years.
He scores about as much as Wayne Rooney.
yeah preferably, would like him to play like a captain, and score in games that matter...that would be a start..
does anyone know the last time he scored away from home?
id say faroes was it ?
i think it was in the world cup (disregarding friendlies). that's pathetic.
Yeah he deserves credit for coming out and playing in Albania but that doesnt defeat the argument i made. I have not at any time questioned his commitment. And that game against Albania was a massive game as a matter of fact. Russia had lost there and Swizerland drew(i think). If we had won that one instead of gotten a draw then we would could have got to the playoffs with the draw a draw away to Switzerland in the last game rather than having to beat them
If we beat Russia instead of draw at home we wouldn't have needed to beat the Swiss away, and if my auntie had balls....Quote:
Originally Posted by carloz
I was using that argument to show the importance of the Albania away game, someone earlier said it wasnt an important game
After the opening 2 games in that series, every game became important, we couldn't afford anymore slip ups.Quote:
Originally Posted by carloz
Of course that game was important.Quote:
Originally Posted by carloz
I said it wasn't that important, as in not more than life or death as in Robbie's situation.
As it turned out, he didn't play at all well and wouldn't have been missed.
See the goal he scored for Spurs to-day.Why cant he do this for Ireland?
He has 20 times or so :rolleyes: