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Roy Keane without a doubt and going on recent form, Lee Carsley.Quote:
Originally Posted by liaml
We'll have to agree to disagree then because I for one believe his effort for Ireland the last couple of years, hasn't been good enough. Maybe he doesn't try for his club either, I don't know any Newcastle fans to ask and I myself don't watch them either cos I follow my national league instead of watching a television.Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
They can't quit anyway FIFA rules state that players not appearing for their national team face a ban from playing for their clubs, as with Makelele when he wanted to quit France he wasn't allowed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paddy Garcia
Anyway who cares, Robbie Keane thinks he's better than he is, when in fact he is sh!t, Stokes and Doyle should be the first choice strikers, with Dunne as captain. Duff is overrated, he's far from the player he was in his first season at Chelsea, I'd rather play Hunt instead of him.
IF that's Keane's response, the key word is if. Let's see, the article is written by Fanning, not a good start, then there is not one quote from the players. Of course the other key word in the article is "believed".Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Tom
Fanning's belief system when applied to journalism doesn't need facts in order to make a sensational article.
You appear to subscribe to this style and compound this fabrication with even more fairy tales about Keane.
In the last six years Keane'sQuote:
Originally Posted by sligoman
1. Missed the world cup
2. Missed the entire Euro 2004 campaign
3. Played the WC 2006 campaign (arguably past his best).
4. Been retired for the last 18 months
Duffer was our player of WC 2002 and was outstanding for the few years before and after. Are you really saying our best player _over_ the last six years has been Keane? Complete ********.
If you're going back six years then that's as far back as February 2001, so you'd have to include Keane captaining us to the World Cup with Man of the Match performances, almost singlehandedly wiping the Dutch and Portuguese midfield off the pitch.
Can you name two matches we won during the the last six years where Duff was the Man of the Match? Let alone matches against top European opposition?
During the 2006 qualifiers Roy Keane was past his pinnacle alright, but was still one of our most important, if not the most important, players, both on and off the pitch. Would we have drawn 0-0 in Paris without him on the pitch? I can still remember the anxiety amongst the supporters when he had to go off the pitch for about 20 seconds to change his shorts, followed by a massive sigh of relief that almost lifted the roof off of the Stade de France when he came back on.
If you're taking one or two performances into account then Kilbane was MoM in Paris! Using that logic he's been our most important player.
So - over 3.5 campaigns, two of which he didn't kick a ball and one of which he was past his best Roy Keane's been our best player? What have you guys been smoking!
It's not "misplaced" loyalty. It's loyalty and is to be commended. That is the sort of person Robbie is. Remember when he scored against WOlves, one of his former teams. He refused to celebrate. Compare that to Bellamy on Saturday or Boyd for Rangers against Kilmarnock. Robbie is an honourable man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paddy Garcia
Also how many players have you EVER heard calling for the head of their manager? It doesn't happen and it shouldn't. It's up to others to decide the fate of the manager.
This anti-Robbie thing really amazes me. A guy who has turned up for EVERY game he's been asked to play for his country and because he's not playing well = he doesn't care. He's not playing well for Spurs either and I don't hear their fans chastising him.
Fickle fans: pathetic.
I think Duff is having a hard time regaining his form full stop. For club and country. He's going through a bad patch and hopefully he'll come out the other side a better player - and soon. I think he set such high standards a few years ago that even when he's playing OK people are disappointed with him. As has been pointed out, even though he has had average games he has still had a hand in most of our goals so far in this campaign. Again I really think it's a lack of form and not because he doesnt care.
I dont think anyone who has slated him is being fickle. The guy has a serious attitude problem and a constant chip on his shoulder. His loyalty should be with his country, not a patetic excuse for a manager. At least Kerr had the balls to take him off at home to Switzerland in our group decider a few years back, and id be fairly confident that Keane was one of those that did not want Kerr kept in the job. Where was his loyalty when Kerr was getting all the slack.......and he was getting it for drawing with Israel home and away, not getting destroyed by Holland and Cyprus, outplayed by Germany and Chile and embarressed by candle stick makers. The fact that Staunton would give the captaincy to a player with such a horrendous attitude, and a player that doesnt understand that he is selected as a forward, not an anchoring midfielder says it all about the qualities of Stauntons management.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
most people would argue that one of Kerr's biggest mistakes was not taking off a defender to bring on a striker in that game.Quote:
Originally Posted by carloz
What evidence do you have that he has a chip on his shoulder or an attitude problem? When has he ever failed to answer the call of his country for ANY game he has been picked for?Quote:
Originally Posted by carloz
Where did he ever attack Kerr in public? He mightn't have thought much of Kerr (we're all entitled to opinions) but I never heard him utter a negative word about him while he was playing for Ireland.
One of the reasons he has to drop back to midfield is because he is getting no service from that quarter.
Incidentally, we were destroyed by Cyprus under Kerr. But for Shay Given on the day the score could have been the same.
I was at the game in SM. Keane worked hard but to no great effect like the rest of the team. At least he got in on goal in the first half but missed the target. The hand waving aside, I have no problem with Keane or his attitude and I will always remember that he gave me one of my greatest moments in my life: that equaliser against Germany. How short memories are :rolleyes:
his constant complaining at every decision that doesnt go his way is one example of his poor attitude.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
some players were going off record at how unhappy they were with kerr. no evidance to suggest keane was one of them but lets not be totally naiveQuote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
surely he should be thinking of the team and not himself?Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
damn dastardly kerr using the underhand tactic of getting his goalkeeper to stop shots on goal.....:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
Have to say I agree with you here. he was no better or worse than anyone else. however what annoyed people was the silly over celebrating of a last minute win agaisnt san marino as well as post match comments which seemed removed from reality to say the least.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
Keane in my view is not playing well at the moment for Club or Country. He is not captain material either for ireland as he is a front player who sometimes can have off days or doing not much for 80 minutes. The captain in my view needs to be a solid player like a Richard Dunne or maybe Shay Given. Flair players generally dont make good captains. In my view Staunton should ask Keane to step down from the captaincy but Stauntons position is not safe either so he wont have the balls or the power to do that. The team lacks leaders both on and off the pitch at the moment.
I think people need to have an on the field scapegoat and someone with Robbie's style is suitable for it. I agree that he isnt playing the best recently but I would always persevere with him as I think he is an exceptional talent and one of our finest players of all time.
I would advise you to keep taking the tablets...:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by gustavo
I'd agree. I think it was Brady (I'm really not sure, so don't take my word on this) who suggested he's put on too much muscle above the belt, and it's hurt his agility and pace. Whatever it is, Duff isn't the player he was, not for anyone. I'm inclined to defend Keane, while I see an argument against him for sure, but with Duff, it's not a case of not turning up for us - he's trying, but it's not really happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irish_Praha
As for the guy who asked above for two great Duffer performances in the past six years, I'm crap at this sort of thing, but I'd start with vs Denmark in April(ish) 2002. He tore them to shreds. I'd add vs Spain in the world cup, when he was excellent, particularly when Quinn came on and he could play on the wing. He won a penalty, and was skipping past Spanish defenders as if they weren't there. I remember him jinking past two, going down to a tackle of a third, and then, flat on his back, rolling the ball out of reach of the three Spanish defenders around him, before getting up, still in possession of the ball... I miss that Duff. :(
If you include friendlies he's man of the match in most of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
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Originally Posted by gustavo
Hear hear. It's the Irish tradition to turn on your own and your former heroes. The attacks on him turn my stomach. The guy has lost form. No doubt about that at both international and club level. However, he has never failed to answer the call to the green jersey and no excuses about sham injuries etc etc. I for one will be sticking by our all time record goal scorer until the boo boys eventually drive him out.
Ok then Owls fan, ill give you a few examples. Switzerland at home and away twice. Russia home and away. France home and away, Germany away. Czech's home, Israel away. All very big games, all games where Robbie was very poor. These games are spread over a long time so you cant simply say he is in a loss of form. If thats the case his loss of form has been in evidence since 2002. And dont spout this **** about him being top goalscorer, all you have to do is look at the opposition he got most of those goals against. the big games that i mentioned at the start where Robbie was really needed, he done very little. im not aiming all my abuse towards Robbie, obviously there are ten other Irish players on the pitch during those matches gernerally underperforming but these are the matches where Robbie's qualities were needed, rather than scoring hat tricks against San Marino and scoring in friendlies
Im sorry mate, you are entitled to your own opinion but giving this excuse for Robbie continually droping back is quite silly. Against Germany in Germany so many times Kevin Doyle found himself holding up the ball to wait for Robie to get back into the position that he shouldbe in at the start of the attack. if he is not geting the service then thats the midfielders problems. he cant take over that job, he has to realise his postion in the teamQuote:
One of the reasons he has to drop back to midfield is because he is getting no service from that quarter.
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by carloz
Capt Robbie defenders - lets hear your top 10 Robbie performances (not goals but performances where he has demonstrated that he gives it his all in a green shirt).