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That maybe true but I do not think it would make good economic sense to employ more public sector workers in social welfare to deal with a temporary problem. This is where I do think that the public sector can be more flexible to deal with issues like this.
If you take more staff on now if unemployment drops in years to come seems department would have no use for those staff. The system should be flexible enough that can take people on for contract period or move from other departments. There must surely be other areas who were busy in a boom but under utilised in a recession? The office that provided work visa must be quiet now?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
True. There should be a priority on SW at the moment in terms of staff movement. Unfortunately the higher ups in most departments would probably be reluctant to agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
Talking about cutbacks etc - esp in the health service - did anyone notice in this sunday's Indo that they are spending 20 million on a few jeeps for the Irish army - which might rise in the future -
Its a great country we live in - no beds available in hospitals but big toys for our non existent army
Is this where they are getting them from?Quote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
http://i38.tinypic.com/24eqpzk.jpg
Blunder Lenihan on tv3's "Political Party" last week.
When asked would a speculative figure of 400,000 unemployed be a concern to him next year, he looks at the figures in percentage terms than the specific numbers unemployed. He seemed to think that because the figure wasn't 20% like in the 80's, there was little to worry about. :rolleyes:
No matter how few times you say it, 277,000 on the dole is a lot of people. Next month, there will be a massacre in jobs lost. Telling them effectively that it doesn't matter to the government, is not going to go down well. :mad:
The country holds its breath this week awaiting the government rescue plan.
:eek:
Unemployment up to 8.3% in December
I suppose another rise is expected for January given unable to claim when the social welfare office closed over Christmas.Quote:
Irish unemployment rose to ten-year high of 8.3 per cent at the end of 2008 as the number of jobless people claiming benefits surged by a record 121,100 in the year to December.
The Live Register of jobseekers' benefit and allowance claimants grew by 16,300 people last month, according to seasonally adjusted figures released by the Central Statistics Office (CSO) this morning.
This is the secondly highest monthly total on record, just behind the 16,700 recorded in November. On an unadjusted basis the December rise was a record 22,777.
During 2008 the number of claimants soared by a record 71 per cent to bring the total number of claimants to 293,500. This is the highest level of claimants since December 1993, according to the CSO.
Unemployment figures now standing at their highest since pre-Celtic Tiger days, even if some of the figures this month may be a knock-on effect of the pork crisis, before it was sorted out.
Our TD's have shown their commitment to dealing with the national emergency, by not re-sitting for another 18 days. :mad: The political will isn't there to tackle urgent issues facing the state. This inertia is an example why agreements/solutions take years rather than months to finalise.
Was down at the local welfare office today, which covers 3 suburbs. The dole queue there is now at least 75 minutes long. What will it be like when the figure reaches beyond 10%?
The Commons sat today in London. At least they're appearing to look for solutions. Ours don't sit for another 2 weeks, and instead of trying to get the economy back on track, are cynically using the current situation imo as a propaganda tool in order to force-feed us the EU Constitution, warning of economic armageddon if we don't swallow it later this year, in order to save their own jobs, rather than create new ones.
It'll be armageddon regardless of what the outcome is, and those numbers will keep rising.
A Little aside but Why Why Why were Anglo-Irish Allowed to survive and Why were the Head of Management in the Major Banks sacked with no golden handshake!! - The Reason - Cowen is a Gutless Piece of Crap.
Was talking with someone this morning and we both agreed that if Sean Fitzpatrick had done what he did in the US, he'd be doing the "perp walk" in regular metal handcuffs (as opposed to the golden variety).
But then again, should the endemic institutional corruptness surprise us, after all we've just sat through a decade of tribunals where the only sanctions were a few contempt of courts charges.
Prosecution let alone jail time does not happen for white collar crimes in this country. Sure I think in the "banana case" insider trading was pretty much proven but only given a fine. (maybe someone more familiar with that can fill in the blanks)
That Dole queue in Galway on the Six One News was very much a sign of the times.. desperately sad.
I've been 'happily sick' and unable to work for the last year and I've been surviving on illness benefit. Thats all well and good but why, oh why, oh why am I being head-hunted for a new job when everyone else is losing their jobs?!!! I didn't even think I was any good at my job. This whole world is twisty, turny, upside down. :confused:
It makes sense. There are many locations with Ulster Bank and First Active in close proximity with little to gain from it. First Active were mainly mortgage specialists and that market has dried up.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
It's the amount of jobs lost that's the problem. They don't all work for FA. You can't close a place and at the same time, ask for voluntary redundancies. Once those jobs are gone, they're gone.
That register could easily hit 25k next month, if keeping with previous monthly totals, plus the January cuts.
Harsh on the people who lose their jobs but that decision is likely to safeguard the jobs of the other staff in Ulster Bank.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poor Student
Walked by FAS just outside the Jervis St LUAS stop on Monday. Place was wedged.
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Originally Posted by bennocelt
I was involved in a tender with the Army in 08 and the tender I was quoting for is related somwhat to these vehicles. We quoted say 10K for a particular product. This was being made at our UK factory, and was to a high spec as we do something similar for the British MOD. We lost the tender by about a grand and it went to an Irish company (no real problem with that, keep it in the family) I now learn the winner quoted for a much more basic piece of kit and is being asked to upgrade his offering. He isn't prepared to do that at his cost so the Army are buying the parts to upgrade and issuing to him free to retro fit. This will therefore make his product about a grand more than ours!
In relation to the jeeps, If I told you the winning company's product was found not to be fit for purpose, what would you say??
Irish Public verses Private sector in a nutshell
Damage 9.2% now.Quote:
Originally Posted by me
http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0204/employment.html
Makes Dorans comments (the Nurses Union man) look beyond ridiculous, I think he said something like - not that many people in the private sector have lost jobs:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
Almost 50,000 signed on since December. Ireland Inc. is closed.
No extra taxes or levys for them just subsistence level dole.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
And that's to mean what exactly? :confused:
I'd like to see them public sector workers trying to survive on €200 a week, every week. When it's a choice of a levy or le dole, you don't take too long to make your decision.
During the winter break, Cowen and members of the Cabinet went off on another trek to Japan. But there's little point in flying halfway around the world to drum up investment, when there's nothing at home to invest in. All it succeeded in doing was wasting time.
No wonder Nob Nation on 2FM dub his cabinet, "The Drinks Cabinet". :D:rolleyes:
The 300+k people unemployed would probably love to be worrying about extra cost of paying for their pension.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
:rolleyes: And there are plenty of people in the private sector who don't have to worry about a pensions levy or redundancy. This onedownmanship (?) is ridiculous. Of course people who lose their jobs would like one, and equally of course people aren't going to be happy at being much more heavily taxed. It's not some sort of bloody competition.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
You should both be having a go at the people that are on 100,000's of thousands that are still getting increases and have pensions that would dwarf anything that the ordinary joe soap public sector worker gets. Or the tax exiles that hailed as hero's when they contribute only to their own personal follies in this state.
Well said Macy both Pete and mypost have fallen for the old trick and the right wing media and the likes of IBEC have turned this as private versus public. What do they say divide and conquer and guys you have fallen for it big time.
Are you serious !?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
I can assure you there are far more of us that do have genuine reason to worry. We've already had redundancies at my place, and theres a very real risk there could be more.
A lot of our clients have let people go, and things have gone ominously quiet with a lot more of them.
Our suppliers obviuosly are in a similar situation.
Tell me, who are these private sector people you've been speaking to who aren't worried? I need to know where to apply for my next job....
The 326k unemployed are worried. Worried about when they will find a job.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
In contrast, those in the public sector whinging about paying taxes have little to worry about.
Apart from mortgage, child minders, car payments, rising bills etc etcQuote:
Originally Posted by mypost
The uneducated ****e coming from some people in this thread is shocking.
Why is your vitriol turned at the public sector workers who have not causd this rather than the people who have. Developers bankers politicians etc. Is it that you are jealous that of the conditions that other workers have fought for and kept. I feel sorry for anybody who loses a job and I am sure public sector workers do not live in isolation. Many will have wives, husbans, brothers, sisters fathers mothers children who are losing their job at the moment. So this idea that we live in areas or cocoons based on whether you are private or public is a nonsense. I think most public sector workers are willing to contribute to the health of the nation but they also want to see heads rolling in banks and tax breaks for the property developers stopped and more of a contribution from the people who have raked it in over the last 15 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
Bar child minders, that also applies to those on the dole.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Bottom line is, if you have a job, then you can manage. If you don't have a job, with almost the same demands, you're treading water on €10k a year.
Yeah but nobody should be made feel ashamed or embarassed for having a stable job. The media are creating a frenzy around this and certain people are falling for it. Nobody should be embarassed to be in a good stable job the same way nobody should be embarassed about being unemployed which was the way during the so called Celtic Tiger.
You're not seen so much of a pariah now than say, 3 years ago, but you still try to avoid the "U" subject unless absolutely necessary. You still get stigmatised for it as to many, it's merely a figure they hear of once a month, rather than a problem with a human face to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
I would not be so sure about that. I know people who have lost their jobs, I have been unemployed myself, I have had relatives who have had aswell. It goes back to what I was saying that the public private divide is madness because most peoples lives are intertwined with those in the public and private. Where there is a divide in Irish life is the lower income people and those who are inside the Fianna Fail tent at the galway Races or the bankers. These are the people who should be facing both the criticism and the brunt of the down turn. However the right wing media in this country esp the Sunday Indo like to have a go with those who do have jobs and have a go at unions and basically blame them for the unemployment figures and for the state of the country rather than the real culprits. Why because the people who finance the paper and who have shares in it are those same people
I feel the only way to survive the recession is to keep your job even if that means pay cuts or freezes. While some prices will increase a lot of things like mortgages will decrease.
I am sure some employers will try to take advantages by cutting wages but I suppose that will depend on the industry.
And what about the public sector workers who had to take the pay cut AND will lose their jobs in the next few months?
I dont mean to be flippant but the pay cut will no longer be relevant to them when they are let go.Quote:
Originally Posted by micls
They are in the same boat as the rest of us who have already had a cut, survived the first cull, but dont know from one month to the next how long our job will hold out.