Jesus I Hope not, cant tolerate the prat, and not just because of Saipan,
He'd be just the Yes man the FAI are Looking for
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Jesus I Hope not, cant tolerate the prat, and not just because of Saipan,
He'd be just the Yes man the FAI are Looking for
I will not make a comment on this! :) :pQuote:
Originally Posted by kriscommons
A yes man? if he was a yes man, Saipan would never have happened as he would have done things Roys way! Mick is probably the best qualified of all names bandied about due to his experience in the job and reasonable level of success BUT his appointment would cause more problems than it would solve.Quote:
Originally Posted by Block G Raptor
100% agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Block G Raptor
People tend to forget how many campaigns it took him to get us to a major championship. Christ Stan only got one shot at it.
Mick McCarthyQuote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
1998 Lost to Belguim play offs
2000 Lost to Turkey play offs
2002 last 16 world cup finals
Steve Staunton
2008 Our worst finish in how many years? Mathematically out of it with 3 games left
It still took him 3 attempts and then managed to fall out with the man who got us to the world cup in the first place. I hope he stays at Wolves and does well with them but I don't want him anywhere near the national side again.
Who, Jason McAteer???Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
****s sake, you do realise we've only ever topped one group 20 years ago and relied on a Scot to do that for us?
3 2nd place finishes is more then acceptable, especially considering the rebuild required after Jack and the last 2 groups we were drawn in for 2000 and 2002 . We've been 3rd, 4th and 3rd since he left, we'd all be happy to have McCarthy's results these days.
Who do you want, you don't seem to like the look of anyone realistic....
I'm not advocating his return, but in fairness ive yet to see a serious contender indicate an interest in the job, and while I like everyone else want to qualify for wc and ec finals the facts speak for themselves that he was our most successful manager ever after big Jack. The man he fell out with is finding it tough being a manager now too!Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
If I was part of the 3-amigos and the choices are McCarthy, Hoddle or Brady then it has to be McCarthy.
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Originally Posted by Block G Raptor
Yes man??
Just remembering meeting Mick after the FAI cup final in Lansdowne Rd in May 1996, he had just had his first run in with the FAI since his appointment. He wanted Evans as his assistant the FAI wanted to appoint his assistant for him and his back room staff. A senior FAI suit said to Mick "I supose you think we are like the 57 old farts" referring to the English Rugby Union and comments made by I think Will Carling (i stand to be corrected) Mick assured me he bit his tounge and didnt agree out loud! Mick may be many thinks but not a yes man!
Say whatever you like about Mick, but making the playoffs with the squad we have is NOT a failure.
During his reign we were always competitive, well organized, and motivated.
Yes we had Roy Keane, but he proved in 2002 that he could keep us competitive even without our star player.
I tried to tell yiz weeks ago... I'm on a gravy train with biscuit wheels 33-1 people.... (The oul lad got him at 50-1)
Who'd I like ahead of McCarthy? Houllier, Jol, Deschamps. Hell I'd probably take Venables over Mick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er
But Stan pointed the gun in his mouth & managed to shoot himself in the arse.Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
Please have the strength not to rise to the bait.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er
Keanites get more annoyed when you dont bother trying to argue, thereby denying them the pleasure of another rant about 'the greatest player to ever play for Ireland' (and the irrelevancy that is the ManU - Juve CL semi-final which is usually thrown in for good measure).
God they're are annoying.
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Originally Posted by Beavis
This isn't a Keane/McCarthy debate. Jesus that is nearly 6 years ago and the two culprits have even kissed and made up. What the hell has Keane's ability as a player (which cannot be questioned surely?) have to do with the debate? We are talking about McCarthy's management abilities - nothing else.
The fact of the matter is that Mick McCarthy had his chance (3 and a bit campaigns) and is now at Wolves. The only reason he's being mentioned as a potential candidate on here is because Wolves are rumoured to be on the verge of sacking him. Why? because he isn't doing a good enough job. So why would we want him to take the reigns? To reminisce about the good old days?
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Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
Then sir, you are an idiot. Championship clubs won't even consider a has been like Venables at this stage.
I'd take Dechamps or Jol over McCarthy in a heartbeat but are they really realistic candidates? Houllier doesn't seem to want the job...
As for McCarthy's job at Wolves, he performed a miracle getting them to the play offs last season which has cretaed unrealistic expectations, he's done a far better job there then Hoddle managed.
:D It was you who brought Saipan into it!!Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
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Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er
We topped our group because we got more points than anyone else. Unless other teams drop points you can't top a group. We got more points than the Bulgarians. End of story.
There was never a chance in hell of Mick coming back to the job as I said earlier. He left with yobs chasing the team bus spitting at him. As someone once said "They haven't gone away you know".
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Originally Posted by OwlsFan
what you said is true. If Sctoland had played them in there first game with the same outcome then we would never have brought that Scotland got us there. ROI got there on merit cause they won there group they got no favours of nobody
Exactly, thank God for Gary Mckay (or whatever his name was).Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernian
FFS, it was said to reinforce a point and isn't really relevant to this argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
As already said I don't t hink he should come back but for people to trot out that 3 campaigns to qualify BS when we finished top 2 in every one of them annoys me. The point is that had the qualification criteria been the same for WC 98 as it was for WC 90 and WC 94 we'd have qualified, ditto for EC 2000 if it had been the same as it was for EC96 for example. 3 consecutive top 2 finishes in groups is a credible record for any Ireland manager to have.
Whatever the rights or wrongs, appointing a man who a substantial % of the support can't abide, hate( take your pick) would be doomed from the outset.Please, anyone but Mick.
Micko wont get the job end of story.
If he does its RIP Irish Football.
I'm not saying that he did bad job in his role as Irish Manager, dont like talking about "IF's" but he was unlucky not to get us to Euro 2000 to be fair.
I just think we need to look at soemone fresh and someone with different ideas would love to see an outsider basically a different approach from what we have been used to.
I think it's Venables wage demands that put clubs off him. Also at this stage of his career why would he want to manage at that level?Quote:
Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er
I'm sorry but I would take El Tel over Mick. I don't want him but his CV is more impressive than Mick's and players have always been complimentary about his training sessions wherever he has managed or assisted.
I think it's his abysmal record in his last 6 jobs (Australia, Pompey, Palace, Boro (same win ratio as Allardyce's at Newcastle, one is hailed a hero and one sacked :confused:), Leeds and assistant at England) that puts them off personally.Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
No need to be sorry mate, it's all about opinions! Players always talk sh1te about their managers in my opinion, Venables reputation is only kept alive by the media at this stage, he;s as much yesterday's man as Howard Wilkinson or Big Ron.
that would apply to just about every canditate touted for the jobQuote:
Originally Posted by SUB of the day
how anyone with the good interests of Irish football in mind could hate mick is beyond words and sums up the kind of eejits that follow our team. as a player and manager his contribution to Irish football over the last 20 yrs has arguably been as big if not bigger than anyone else in that time. anything to the contrary is just pure propaganda
It's for this reason that I would not want Tel. I don't care too much about the other stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er
However if it was a toss up between Tel & Brady, then at least Tel has had some success.
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Originally Posted by jbyrne
Couldnt agree more
spot on JB.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
spot on.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
......Would the good interests be served were Roy to take the helm?......In my opinion , no, for the exact same reason as outlined re " I don't believe in practicing penalties " mickQuote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
So your arguments are based onQuote:
Originally Posted by SUB of the day
1 Mick didnt cop Spain were down to 10 players, well neither did most of the fans in the stadium, BUT what we did notice is that Ireland threw everything we had at the Spaniards in extra time and it just wasnt good enough, we didnt sit back and play for penalties, unless of course i was at a different match :confused:
2 He didnt practice penalties, so what, penalties are a lottery we all know that
Obviously, thats not the argument( bitchy swipe yes).The point is , both Saipan protagonists still retain the ability to divide the support, this thread 6 years on is a prime example.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenforever
Mick coming back would drag up all sorts of Saipan **** again. He did well with us and was a great servant on the pitch but we need someone new.
According to Newstalk Steve Morgan is going to bring in Big Sam at Wolves.
Good post.........kofi!Quote:
Originally Posted by DotTV
Jesus!!!!! just when I thought the whole Saipan, Mick,Roy, crap was put to bed:(Quote:
Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar
Well I am very much Anti Roy Keane but I still supported him 100% when Kerr brought him back.Quote:
Originally Posted by SUB of the day
All I want is for Ireland to start winning again and if that means Mick and Roy working together so be it..anyway Roy has changed his attitude since becoming a manager
neither have got anything to do with ireland anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenforever
what has the two of them working together got to do with anything????????????????????????????