What are the chances of the North playing the South in the 2nd placed play offs!!! Unlikely but would be some craic!
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What are the chances of the North playing the South in the 2nd placed play offs!!! Unlikely but would be some craic!
Who indeed?Quote:
Originally Posted by shanekerins
Not sure Bulgaria will be beating those teams away either.
Will never happen, Cork or Limerick don't have a team in the qualifying groups! :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Finlay Harp
Lots of ifs and buts there Tuff Paddy.
Who would want any manager that soils his trousers over a qualifying draw?Quote:
Originally Posted by shanekerins
CYPRUS smur****intakular
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Originally Posted by Superhoops
How about Northern Ireland v The Republic of Ireland then?;)
Initially looking at it I was disappointed but the more i look at it it aint too bad:
Italy will top the group no doubt and I cant see why we cant be fighting along with Bulgaria for 2nd place. Apart from us and Bulgaria you really wouldnt give the other teams a hope of qualifying. Georgia proved to be the nemisis for Scotland but we beat them home and away with Brian Kerr a few years ago. A chance to put the Cyprus results behind us by beating them twice like we are capable of and of all the bottom pool teams Montenegro was the team to avoid so will be tough there can see a slip up or two:rolleyes:
But definetly qualifiable!!!!!:cool:
I guess the thing now is will we go and try to get Italy either home or away for our first game and hope we catch them with a bit of a hangover after the European championships?
Very insightful. Managers look for what they will be able to achieve in a new job, and an 'easy' group would have made us a more appealing prospect. We will have to improve an unbelievable amount in a short space of time to get out of this group - which makes the job less attractive. Just the way it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maroon 7
Yeah, a few new places to check out. I'm probably ready to go back to Cyprus as well, hopefully to hand out a bit of retribution. Playing Italy at home in a competitive game is an enticing prospect. As for the rest, I have never benn to any of those countries so it should be interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuff Paddy
In the Euro 2008 qualifiers. Bulgaria's only away loss was to Holland. Won three and drew 2 of the other five. Solid enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fergie's Son
Italy are often slow starters in qualifying. Often start with a loss or a few draws before getting into top gear half way through and winning all their games down the stretch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ciaran
I don't think that venables will even bother looking at the draw, more likely to be the pay check and then demand more...yes, I hate him.:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by shanekerins
Would like to see first game being at home to Italy. We have generally done well against teams that have just come from WCF or Euros when we play them early.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maroon 7
Yes but would you want a manager that wouldn't take a job just because he didn't fancy a couple of difficult games? I know I wouldn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by shanekerins
I doubt anyone who's genuinely interested in the job will pull out on account of that draw anyway.
With any kind of manager who knows what he is doing we should get enough points at home to finish in the top two.That would leave it between ourselves and Bulgaria(presuming Italy qualify) to gather the most points from
games in Georgia,Cyprus and Montenegro.
Reasonabale chance of 2nd place in the group. Bulgaria no world beaters.
The next sentence is "and bamboozle them when they come to Croke Park"Quote:
Originally Posted by Superhoops
:D:D:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Scram
Montenegro are the dark horses. First campaign.
Having a look at their eligibility criteria :) since the split with Serbia, they could easily bolster their squad. They will take some points from most teams.
Result against them wont count as to who will be the top 8 second placed teams.
It's a tough enough group for Italy and Bulgaria as well.
Could have the makings of a good scrap
I'd aim for a home game against Italy first off.
Objectively:
Montenegro - bottom seeds coz of their new found independent status, likely to be a pot or two higher in future.
Georgia - we should get maximum points in both games, never know, a likely "banana skin"
Cyprus - we luckily managed to get 1 point off them in last campaign, no reason at present to suggest we will get all 6 this time around.
Bulgaria - have some decent players, always likely to score, any wins from us will have to be tight affairs, can we keep them scoreless.
Italy - could pick up points in an early encounter or late encounter if they are already qualified. If they need the points from us then they are odds on to take them
Yes I would probably agree with that. Not the easiest group but then again it's no "group of death" either. At least we are not in group 9.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
Was there last summer. Fantastic place and is quite cheap for the drink and grub.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuff Paddy
Thought it was a terrible draw at first but become (slightly) more positive as I look at it. Montenegro is a nightmare given our away form and Georgia is tricky but Cyprus are poor as far as 4th seeds go and if we can't get players motivated to play them there's realy not much point in going on.
Italy will top the group you'd assume but we are capable of finishing ahead of Bulgaria. We'll probably need to get at least 13 points at home and improve our away form vastly.
As pointed out above, I'd have a real worry about the team in 2nd in this group being eliminated.
incorrect. it's results against the bottom team in the group, not the bottom seeds.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
anyway, we need loadsa points against the bottom three and hope bulgaria italy game is in about september 09 time, so italy go there knowing a win will qualify them.
personally, i'd like italy away first, bulgaria away in the spring, then italy at home on second last day (when they've hopefully qualified, and we're their last game) and bulgaria at home on the last day, in a winner takes all ****-out. (sorry, shoot out)
Yeah, despite my political leanings, the Israel trip in the WC campaign was brilliant, locals we unbelievably hospitable and the weather was class.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuff Paddy
we were by quite a distance the worst third placed team in the euro qualifiers.Quote:
Originally Posted by HolylandsMan
what's the best way there? belgrade then train?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dun Laoire
I think we need a home double header against 2 of the bottom 3 seeds to start off. Hopefully we can build a bit of momentum early unlike the last group and it'll be important for the manager to instill a bit of confidence in the players.Quote:
personally, i'd like italy away first, bulgaria away in the spring, then italy at home on second last day (when they've hopefully qualified, and we're their last game) and bulgaria at home on the last day, in a winner takes all ****-out. (sorry, shoot out)
I think that Cyprus deserve some more respect than they are currently getting, they came to Croke Park and nearly beat us when our players had every reason to want to win the game. Under Kerr away, we were lucky to come away with a win. In the past they would have been a 6 point banker, not any more.
and roy hodgson knows the italians inside out having managed there 3 times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuff Paddy
and hopefully hodgson would fancy getting one over them
I think this group is definitely doable but points will be "won and lost" and definitely Bulgaria are probably, the 2nd seed we would've hoped for. A bit like the Euro 04 group where all the teams are a threat.
As for the trips:
Bulgaria and Montenegro will probably be the best.
Italy will see the big turn-out of the new scum bag, trouble making fans - not good.
And Georgia are awkward(long way) and Cyprus is been there done that sort of thing.
But hopefully will make them all.
I heard Tony O Donoghue this morning saying that we will have to go away in September because of the All Irelands so that is out of the question.Quote:
Originally Posted by HolylandsMan
Donadoni has just said that none of the teams in the group have much of a footballing tradition, according to him Bulgaria are the major threat
I'd guess flying there via Germany...it's not as if there's a dozen flights a day from Dublin to Belgrade.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperDave
Dont think its that bad a draw, coulda been worse.
The only decent first seeds to get were Greece.
Someone said about us winning away games, we only won THREE of our six HOME games FFS.
Wanted Bulgaria or Sweden of the 2nd seeds so we can be happy there.
4, 5 and 6 seeds is a lottery anyway because their form is inconsistent. We could have got Austria.
So happy enough with the draw.
Bulgaria accomodation sorted - Sunny Beach and Sofia.
With a half decent manager and all the players playing like they gave a ballix we should get runners up. Pot luck after that.
What an ignorant thing to say. Not particularly just about us but just because the likes of Cyprus, Georgia and Montenegro haven't been to World Cups doesn't mean that they don't have a long footballing tradition in their countries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Schlooooomp
Indeed, does he forget playing us in Italia 90, I know they won but it was a quarter final. Does he forget that 4 years later we beat them in a group game, we might not be great but we do have a tradition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maroon 7